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The reason these findings are ignored is because there are a ton of users. They all think there's nothing wrong with it. You can deny all you want that you aren't damaging yourself, but time will tell the facts. I know many people that are dumb as fuck because of weed. Their brains are fried from the shit. I'll continue to sit back and laugh at everyone who continues to destroy themselves. The only thing that really pisses me off is most people fuck their families and kids up because of this crap. Stop getting high and spend some quality time with your kids! Or suffer the consequences. Your children will most likely grow up to be users and abusers also. Or they'll be pregnant when they're 14 and/or get into hardcore porn.

Nyenrodian

This is a news item that appeared somewhere in a Dutch newspaper. Since you can't read it i'll translate it for ya.

No permanent brain damage caused by Marihuana.

L.A.
Smoking marihuana doesn't cause permanent brain damage discovered scientists of the University of California. From their research they conclude that Marihuana DOES influnece short term memory but does not affect the brain at all on the long term.

If there is any effect at all, we couldn't find it. According to professor psychiatry Igor Gray who led the study. The Scientists did 15 different researches on the effect of marihuana on the long term memory of well educated youth. The findings will be publicized in the July Issue of the International Neuropsychological Society.


BTW:
I don't smoke myself.

Jim Kata

I used to smoke weed everyday all day for about 10 years. I only stopped because of very very bad panic attacks. When I look back on it I think that I probably have dumbed down a bit. But I look at other people and they are still sharp as shit and are still smoking. I think it affects everyone differently.
As far as all this research...I don't believe any of it until I see many different articles on it. Not different studies that are all mentioned in the same article (not saying that this article is invalid).
I think alcohol is more likely to fuck up relationships with family members more than ganja. Except for legal ramifications. The only thing I'm going to attack when high is the fridge instead of someone else when I'm all boozed up.
Man made alcohol, Nature made pot....which do you trust more?

(I am keeping my eye out for more articles like this now so thanks for posting it)

edit: Last week on the radio I heard that they found no long term ill effects from pot in some study. I don't know if its the one that is mentioned above, but I did hear it. I hate how there is always one that comes out and says its fine...and one that comes out and says its not. Make up your minds dammit!!

bollocks

yer, just heard this on the radio as i driving (stoned) to work. Still doesn't put me off though... some scientist guy came on the radio after the report was read claiming that after 5 years of heavy use, abusers of the drug develop brain defects which bring about delusional occurances such as voices in their heads that say "I hate you", and "kill yourself". I've yet to come across these voices.

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Slims

Most of those studies occurred over a time span of at least several years, and failed to account for the possible effects of other drug use (like acid or PCP). People who smoke pot are also more likely to do some of the other, harder drugs, and the trends seen in the study are quite possibly due to those harder drugs, rather than the weed itself.

I think most of these studies are done with an agenda (either for or against pot) and are necessarily biased.

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cheerios

just a note from you favorite paranoid female: driving under the influence of ANYTHING is bad. mkay?

livingitup101

What will they come up with next? Some stupid statement like cigarettes are bad for your health and cause cancer.

Bottom line is that people are always after instant gratification. Cigarette smokers, drinkers, drug users, hell, coffee drinkers... all of them know that what they do could possibly harm them. But the gratification that they are getting from these vices--right now--is too much to stop.

Nyenrodian

Well, I can't speak for what happens in the U.S.A. but in Holland we have the coffeeshops as you will probably know. They are controlled pretty strictly by the government to make sure they don't sell hard drugs.

What happens then is that most people who smoke pot don't come into contact with a drugdealer that tries to move them on from pot to the more lucrative coke and speed. This is basically where the so called 'gateway' argument comes from. In Holland it's not valid since you don't come into contact with drugdealers if you're just a pot smoker.

Of course you can get anything you want from other sources, but that's a different 'class' of users.

Also, if Alcohol is legal. Why not legalize pot? Alcohol is much more damaging than Cocaine for instance.

Phaenx

I see plenty of addicts in denial about the negative effects as well. Always takes me back to the time I listened to some lady talking to her friend about how cigarrettes aren't in fact bad for you.

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Phaenx

Why legalize pot when we can ban alcohol? Alcoholics make a fuss, druggies are too busy eating cheetos.

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Nyenrodian

Because we should let people decide for themselves what to do. IF anyone gets damaged at all, it will be the person drinking alcohol or doing drugs. If they want to do that, that's fine by me. Let them. THEIR choice, not ours.

theguyondacouch

I'm already phsycotic, so fuckem'. Besides, its my body I do what I want!

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KillerYoda

Geez, there was a report out last week that told how weed had no longterm effects on the brain. These damn scientists keep changing their minds every day week. Well, I'm gonna go get stoned and forget about all this.

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bondagegirl

If anyone gets damaged at all it will be the person drinking alcohol or doing drugs? I have to completely disagree with that. OK so internal damage is done to them, big deal you can get that from breathing smog filled air everyday. But look at families of alcoholics, they're not affected? SO its only their(the alcoholics) choice? What about the asshole sthat have to drive home drunk? Or on drugs? The thousands of innnocent people that die every year because of drunk driving isn't a factor?

OK sorry, but that comment was just a lame excuse. Doesn't hurt anyone else, my ass!

I'm going to say that I'm not against drugs and alcohol, but if you use them in excess I am. I just got really mad about that comment.

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Nyenrodian

Then you might as well ban driving in general. How about the people that fall asleep at the wheel because they were to stubborn to take a break while driving a long distance? How about the elderly that still drive, although they can hardly react on time? Or the kids that just have their driving license and are racing up and down the street.

I agree with you that drunk driving is a terrible thing and should not happen. But in EVERY thing you do there is a risk. Also in entering traffic. The amount of accidents where alcohol is a causing factor is just a small amount of the total. The main part of accidents caused is still by speeding and not being able to control your car.

What about the addicted person's family you say? Well tough luck for them. The addicted person made a choice, right or wrong and they'll just have to live with it.

oldtimer

All kinds of drugs are bad: alcohol (the worst, not to mention it tastes like shit), cigarettes (a filthy habit, its like kissing a smokestack) and weed (because it just makes you dumb). Now the reason that cigarettes and alcohol, the worst and popular of the three, aren't illegal is because if they were they would be the most traffic-ed drug in America. It would be crazy, out of control. The drugs would stilll get around either way. Take Prohibition for example. So the government and corporations step in and see this as a win-win situation. Why not make these drugs legal, sell them at a fixed rate, and make a ton of money at the same time! Saving themselves a headache from the billions of users of alcohol/cigarettes that would appear in court for using them.

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Phaenx

They wouldn't have to live with it if it were against the law. You seem to be all for the rights of some random druggie or alcoholic, and then you don't seem to mind the dozens of peoples lives that those people violate, be it hitting them with a car, going crazy and stabbing someone, or creating a widespread social disorder that could potentially cripple the united states.

I don't want to work with a bunch of worthless pot heads, just as much as I don't want to drive down to the bar to pick up my mothers friends drunken fool of a husband. If you want to destroy yourself, fine. It's when these people go out and interact with me that crosses the line, but who cares? People should have the choice to do that, right? No, like I said, I don't care if you kill yourself, just don't take anyone (especially me) with you.

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bondagegirl

Thank you Phaenx!

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Nyenrodian

We hardly have any problems with junkies or alcoholics going crazy and stabbing someone. It happens sometimes, sure. But not at all as often as you people seem to think. If I were you, I would be more troubled by all the people that die because of your lax gun control laws. Around 10,500 last year alone got killed. How would that compare to the victims of drunken driving or crazy junkies?

We chose to educate the people in our country about alcohol and drugs. Tell them honestly about both parts involved, the satisfaction from taking it. As well as the potential damages.
Drunken driving had decreased immensely over the last few years after intensive ad campaigns.

There are less drug users in my country than in the U.S.A. People are less inclined to start. Many people who get started on pot anyway do it because it's illegal and exciting.

butthead

Yeah, and I donate to freevibe.

bondagegirl

Nyenrodian, where do you live?

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Nyenrodian

I am Dutch and at the moment I live in Switzerland. However I will be moving back to Holland within a month.

Pyrate

I smoke weed, but I know limits. At most I do two to three spliffs per week. Usually only one.

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BBtB

We have gotten off the subject a bit. First I will comment on the original study. Meh its one study. These studies are always done with a plan to how they want them to turn out. And has already pointed out for every study that says its super harmfull we could find a study that says its harmless. The majority of studies though have it at mostly harmless. It is no more dangerous then alcohol. I mean yes, if you get stoned every single day then you will probably get stupider. Of course I know just as many stupid non pot smokers. I also know a number of regular pot smokers who are just as on the ball as they ever were. I've smoked pot for close to 6 years,been a regular smoker for about 6 months. I have yet to notice any real dip in my intelligence level. What it boils down to is that there is nothing inherently wrong with pot. It is an OBJECT. It does not have the capacity for right and wrong. The only ones who can have right and wrong is you and me. We can use pot in a good or a bad way just like anything else. Alcohol is the same way. As is caffeine. And sugar, well anything and everything we consume. Except for maybe water but then again you CAN OD on water, you can't OD on weed. And I have had this conversation before so I need to clarify the phrase OD. An OD is when you DIE simply from taking to much of a substance. It is NOT when you smoke to much and get higher then you wnted and it is also not when you do something stupid like drive your car into a phone pole.

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Wax_off

My dad, at 61, has been almost continually high for the the last 30 years and is still one of the sharpest guys I know (and I know a lot of smart people). Despite a debilitating injury which now makes his marijauna use medicinal, he lifts and runs three times a week. Someone I'd be proud to have with me in an argument or a fight.

So "pot makes you lazy and stupid" isn't a foregone conclusion. I hold that if you're lazy and stupid already you're more prone to smoke pot (certainly not that all pot smokers are that way, see above) which makes it appear to those who don't investigate with due diligence before coming to conclusions, that all pot smokers are stupid.

Myself, I used to smoke, but found it boring, so I stopped. I think this is true of many bright people, which is why smart people tend not to be stoners. Once again, no insult to stoners, there are many smart ones out there, but I think they're a minority of pot users.

So this is my premise (to hammer it home one more time) using pot doesn't make you stupid (well, it does temporarily) being stupid makes you more prone to use pot (or more accurately keep using it).

Additionally, I don't see why pot is illegal. Alcohol is a much more damaging drug (long term overuse has serious PROVEN detrimental health effects, it can KILL you) and it's legal. Alcohol is also inherently violent and leads you to make bad decisions (oh yeah, I'm fine, I can drive...). Has anyone seen that add where they're giving the girl a pregnancy test because she was high and got knocked up? C'mon, how many more girls have gotten knocked up while drunk? And think of the last time you saw two guys who were high getting in a fight. If they were high they'd be much more likely to sit down, eat a twinkie and watch Spongebob Squarepants.

Not that I think drinking should be illegal, we had prohibition, and see what that got us. Nearly everyone enjoys a little drink every now and then and they should also be able to enjoy a little smoke every now and then to if they want. To sum up... Abuse of any drug is bad, be it a legal one or an illegal one. But there's no reason that marijuana is any more dangerous than alcohol. (Don't give me any crap about it being a gateway drug, that's been repeatedly disproved.) The damage that criminalizing a near harmless drug is doing to our society is much much more than letting people be free (and I mean that in a civil liberties sense as well as a "let them out of jail" sense).

Wax_off

BBtB is right, We (myself included) have gotten off the point. The article says "users at greater risk of mental illness." But this could be putting the cart before the horse.

Alcoholism is considered to be a disease, one with a genetic basis. I doubt that any studies have done to see if habitual cannibis use also has genetic markers. Those same markers could be associated with increased risk of mental illness. Or it could very well be that the habitual use was a symtom of latent mental illness (getting stoned makes users feel better, even at some subliminal level).

I would have to see a lot more evidence before I thought that this study had any validity at all.

bondagegirl

It's too funny, I really think about that everytime I see that stupid commercial. I mean really!
C'mon she would have gotten knocked up anyways, the little slut, oops sorry did I say that outloud? I really don't think the weed had anything to do with it, just a fuckin excuse for their daughter being a whore, oops there I go again...

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butthead

Has anyone here READ the actual study? If you have, please upload it for others interested (like myself), or link to reference.

Be wary of correlation/causation studies, often things become obscured.

butthead

Personally, I'd like to know more about their methodology for such a bold claim.

I have a strong intuition that the studies are bullshit, but until someone posts the actual studies, there can be no informed discussion about them.

MacGnG

of course it's gonna make you skitzo, your fuckin paranoid all the time!

Double D

Here's the problem with this type of article. We need to know what *seven times more likely to have psychotic symptoms,* means.
How likely is it that a non-cannibis smoking individual will experience psychotic symptoms? I need the statistics to know what is being said here.
I can guess tho', that it's a tiny fraction of the general population, and seven times a tiny fraction is...still a tiny fraction.

Exactly.

WhoaitsZ

i don't do pot, if pain ever gets rough enough i will.

i see your point to an extent 6'8 , but come on.

here's a tip: want to get people to pay attention to articles of drug users going bad, find articles that are more... factual and easier to understand. like DD mentioned, the article is way too vague.

do what yee will, say what yee will. i for one don't care for it but i'm not going to hold the 'i told you so' attitude. i find this type of mentality much more imature than people who simply don't care. shrug

butthead

Better yet, I suggest reading up about pharmacology and extracting information from studies, rather than someone elses interpretation of it.

Boy do I love seeing stuff from NIDA's website being used in a drug argument. Nothing like someone trying to convince you that stoned rats temporarily performing comparatively to brain damaged rats in memory tests means anything.

TaLoN

something is wrong with mental illness?

YourNeverThere

I AGREE. Why should the government tell me what to do? it has no place in my life and i like little in its. I can make my own desions and live with the effects.

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RaGe2012

Where was this article published? When was it published and by whom? If its from any country where marijuana is illegal, its probably just a scare tactic (read as "propoganda").

Besides, how the hell are scientists going to do long term studies on pot-smoking humans throughout their entire lives? Besides, I've seen alcohol turn many people into violent people who also have mental disorders. I've only met me very few angry pot-smokers.

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Wax_off

Notice how sixate hasn't weighed back in to defend his post?

Nice trolling.

omni918

Weed made me docile and made me stay in a vulnerable openminded state for 7 years.

Now that I quit I find women more attractive... love that wet moist pussy and my fat trooper dick.

Point is, you always had that mental illness, weed doesnt give it to you. You always had it but denied it.

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Phaenx

Maybe he hasn't had to, you've yet to lay out a plausible offense other then "nu-uh!"

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boredjerk

I only get high at work.

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