Always resist sexual battery if you are stronger ?
 

I just read a thread (in this forum):

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/general...ml#post2569130

And since this is a variation of the topic, i decide to start a new thread.
I remember a sexual battery (not rape) case a few years ago. A female jogger got stopped by two young boys. She did not physically resist the attack and she managed to talk her way out of the situation. She later admitted that she could have fought her way out, but was afraid to harm the boys. Well the police called her brave, and there was no one who questioned her decision to not fight the attack off. Shouldn't she have physical resisted the attack? :oogle:

So what if a guy got stopped by the "Broitzman gang" ? If he acted like the female jogger he probably would have been sentenced. If he used force he would have been sentenced for violence. :shakehead:

I fail to see what a male jogger would be sentenced for if he talked himself out of an uncomfortable situation with a gang of young homosexual men.

I seem to be missing the gist of what you're asking here. Is there a news article you could point me to, or describe the situation a bit more?

what are you asking again? Unless I'm confused, you're asking is it illegal for a man to not resist being sexually assaulted by teenage girls? Or rather, is it a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation? O_o Not sure I follow.

.........Also not sure who'd report it if it WERE illegal....

I think the OP is saying if a male was stopped by a group of teenage girls and they tried to sexually assault him, if he used force in self defense, he'd be in trouble in court. Yet if a female was sexually assaulted, and she used physical self defense, she wouldn't get in trouble in court. Am I right?

As long as the level of self defence is reasonable - I cannot see there would be any difference. But the situation of a gang of young girls attacking an sexually molesting a male jogger doesnt exist outside of the imagination of Benny Hill.

Great, now I have a mental picture of a male jogger getting rubbed on by a gang of teenage girls played in fast-motion to the tune of yakety sax stuck in my head. :no:

Self-defense is self-defense. No matter what.




Although I'm having a hard time trying to figure out why I would want to fight off a group of teenage girls that wanted to have sex with me...

It's true. Girls are sunshine and lollipops after all. A gang of girls would never do something violent, like blow up a freaking HOUSE.

I don't get the "Broitzman gang" reference.

If women came to me with the intention of sexing me up without my permission, I'd simply walk away. There are some women with the ability to kick my ass, but the truth is that they're probably not rapists.

If men wanted to rape me, I'd run.

And a gang of girls sexually assaulting someone is totally unheard of.

The situation in the OP might seem implausible, merely because the typical tactics of female perpetrators differ slightly from male perpetrators of sexual assault.

MenWeb - Dating Violence: Men's Reactions to Female Sexual Coercion

But given the situation provided in the OP, reasonable physical resistance should be fine. Most men need to bear in mind that they are quite a bit stronger than many women.

Yes, exactly.

Well i wanted to point out how much gender has to say in sex cases.

And the case with the female jogger should she have faced charges ? The papers and the police newer questioned her behavior (since she was a female). I don't remember the details but she was a tall athlete and she was reluctant to fight because of the boys young age (she was sure that she was stronger). So she let the situation continue for several minutes with out any physical resistance.After a while they left, she claimed that she talked her way of of the situation. Chance are that the boys was chocked of her behavior and left because of this.

So should she have faced prosecution (if we presume she was stronger) ?

If the jogger was mail and met the Broitzman girl gang and acted as she did, would he faced prosecution ?

He may have faced battery charges, yes. And hes' that's an example of gender inequality in law.

Of course it's also gender equality in society and biology. Let's not forget that the average man is stronger than the average woman, and rape is substantially more likely to be a man raping a woman, not the other way around.

What I'm waiting for it the day that roving gangs of female supermodels go around raping 25 year old male brunettes in San Jose. Patiently waiting.

I don't get it...


You know what the stupid thing is... They guys that say they where sexual assaulted by a woman are lying. Especially college age guys. Especially DRUNK college age guys.



Let me lay out the scenario for you...



Group of guys go to a bar on a Friday night. Throw back a few drinks, do some shots, maybe smoke a little weed... Start dancing... We've all been in a situation like that. One guys sees an attractive girl. He's feeling good. He's had like 12 vodka Redbulls. Walks up to her. They start talking. Now, what he doesn't know is that she just found out that her boyfriend was cheating on her so she has decided to get back at him by hooking up with some random guy. Night winds down and the two end up back at her place. They're making out... things are going good. He's being the sensitive guys. He's making sure she's okay. Asking if things are moving to fast. They end up in the bedroom... She starts to undress him... And still being the nice guy he's tries to stop her. Saying maybe they should wait. He doesn't mean anything that he's saying. And if things could go his way he would already be gone after her blowing him on the car ride over. But because he's afraid that if he's at all aggressive, it will freak her out and she'll stop...


So the next day... He's hanging out with all his buddies. He's telling them that she totally just gave up the pussy. Like he had her bent over the hood of his car in the parking lot. Came in her hair... fucked her roommate... recorded the whole thing... is selling the tapes...

Then about a week later this surveyor stops him on his way to "College Bullshit 101" and asks him if he's ever been forced to have sex with a woman. So he tells this story about a girl he met that forced him to come home with her and tore his clothes off while he was trying to stop her and that he now has herpes and her dog licked his balls... and it has really tormented him and that he is now thinking about going into the Priesthood...




Sorry... I had too much coffee this morning.

It seems there's a bit of a language barrier here :|

What could she have faced charges for if she just talked her way out of the situation?

:D Really?

Yes to the too much coffee.



No to everything else...

Because there was a sexual interaction between the boys and the woman (not intercourse). And she could have stopped it physically at a early stage, and since she didn't, isn't that consent ?

Well if a guy tried anything like that, he's motives would have been questioned.

Ok, I misunderstood. I thought she just talked her way out of it, I didn't realize she gave in to a certain extent in order to avoid anything worse. In that case, yes, I think it is possible a man would be charged in a similar situation. Likely even.

the point is what is reasonable self defence.

if we accept this ridiculous scenario for the sake of argument:

If a female jogger was confronted by two adolescent boys who attempted to attack her, reasonable self defence would be any action necessary to place the two boys unconscious, but if she struck further blows after they were unconscious this would be beyond self defence.

If a male jogger was confronted by two adolescent girls who attempted to attack him (supposing such a crazy thing could happen), the level of self defence which would be legitimate would be relative to his strength and masculinity in comparison to the girls - so it would be legitimate to perhaps push them away or hold their arm if they attempted to strike him but to strike back would be in most cases beyond reasonable self defence.

I am not making a joke out of it, but the difference in strength between a grown man and a teenage girl is in most cases enormous.

For once I agree.