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If you read the police report, you discover that as many or more victims were women than men. Many of the women had their breasts poked in a manner to inflict pain, or the girls spit phlegm into their mouths than held their mouths shut so they couldn't scream. But alas, why let facts cloud the argument. ;) |
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I'd guess I've known about 900 men in my life. Statistically, then, abut 3 of those men have forcibly been raped by a woman? There are about 600,000 men in San Jose. Statistically, then, at least 1800 San Jose men have been raped by a woman? Forgive me, but without rather serious verifiable statistics, this seems like nonsense. And since verifiable statistics on male rape really don't exist yet, I'm afraid I have to call BS. |
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On the contrary, legal systems exist so people know what they can and can't do. Judicial systems exist to punish people that don't follow the legal system. When the judicial system arbitrarily interprets a legal system on the basis of something like race or gender (so that sticking a finger in an ass is horseplay in one instance and sexual assault in another), it fundamentally undermines the legal system, because then the legal system no longer tells you what you're allowed to do.
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I can't make any promises how reliable those numbers are. Certainly it supports the notion that the vast majority of sexual crimes are by men against either women or men. The point of this conversation centers around the fact that SF seems to claim that women writ large are incapable of sexual assaulting a man and that it has never happened, period, which means that what these girls did could not be anything other than horsing around. Even if only one man has ever been sexually assaulted by a woman, it would disprove that assertion, and there is no doubt that it has happened, albeit rarely. |
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Is poking women in their genitals and breasts, leghumping them in a bed while holding a hand over their mouth so they cannot scream, or spitting phlegm in their mouths than holding their mouths shut ok in your book? Or are you merely continuing to restate a rediculous opinion to play devil's advocate and/or try to stir people up? |
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I just read the TSG article and if that kind of "he said, she said" stuff constitutes reality or evidence for a criminal prosecution to some people I dont know what to say. No evidence, no facts, simply stating gossip as fact. Is this whole case a joke?
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Sorry, all the people who are commenting on this thread need to check the police report listed on the smoking gun... there is nothing here., nothing at all I admit I got sucked into it and was treating reported statements as facts as well as everyone else, but if you read the actual police statement its a complete joke with no actual evidence that any of this happened... this is a non story of pure fantasy and malicious teen gossip. It is pitiful that they can find a prosecutor willing to pick up such a weak case. I feel embarassed I even got involved in a discussion about things that didnt happen.
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Obviously you did not read the police report slowly or thoroughly, because a) there is photographic and video evidence, and b) the majority of the "she said" portion of it was the girls confessing to doing the acts. |
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Exactly, no judge will ever allow a defendant's open and willing confession along with pictures and videos of the crimes being committed to stand up in court. ;) |
he's going to make a good DA.
"Well, yes, their confession is just hearsay, gossip, I say. Just plain old gossip. You know what you are? You're a hoot, that's what you are." |
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Cases of women raping men being exceedingly rare actually does have a great deal to do with this situation, though. Let's take on these claims one at a time, objectively. Spitting water at someone: irresponsible? Yes. Childish? Yes. Criminally negligent? Of course not. Lying in bed with a resident: this depends on the circumstances. Could it be that there was a situation where lying in a bed was bad? Absolutely. Still, they could also have been a case where a 110 lb. 18 year old girl had just lifted a 200 lb. man into bed and she had to get off her feet and take a few breaths. We simply don't know. The buttock issue: Have you ever worked at a nursing home? One of my best friends did. People she worked with bathed the elderly people there. That means washing them in what would normally be inappropriate places. Does that mean sticking a finger in someone's bum? Probably not. Does that mean cleaning up after someone that's had an accident? Absolutely. Antagonizing? Hell, I antagonize people here regularly. That's a normal part of human interaction; people aren't always going to have perfect manners. Humping a resident: I still don't know what this means. Was the police report written by a 6 year old? Are we talking about grinding or are we just talking about a hip thrust in the air? Putting a hand over a resident's mouth: my grandfather had Alzheimer's. Towards the end, he would be living in his memories, and some of those memories were of the war. And he cried out. Now imagine someone crying out in a retirement or convalescent home. Wouldn't that cause a ton of problems? Of course. It seems silly to me that we've got over a hundred posts, but we still really don't have a clue about what happened in that place. Could what they did be criminally negligent? Absolutely. Might there also be good explanations? Of course there are and anyone that denies that point is just being antagonistic that should be arrested. |
i've read four pages of this crap...
is anyone ready to close this absolutely ridiculous thread? |
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The fact that, according to the confessions detailed in the police report, the girls admitted to purposefully carrying out those actions to arouse, make angry, hurt, and/or humiliate, kind of takes away the "good explanation" theory. |
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Does anyone wonder if the fact that these girls are pretty little cheerleaders has led to them feeling invulnerable? What kind of spoiled brats would be so heartless as to molest helpless people? What would be an appropriate punishment?
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Seriously have a couple drinks and go back and start from #1- if you're not laughing your ass off by page three then you sir have no sense of humor. |
oh, gee, more assholes. what a surprise.
kumbaya, my lord, kumba-fucking-ya. |
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what's so confusing?
Maybe it's just me, but I think anyone who makes entertainment out of fucking with old people in a retirement home, to whatever extent, is an asshole. Hence, my expression of regret, really. |
For those saying that spitting is not assault, walk up to a cop and spit on them and see what that gets you.
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I call women assholes all the time..and men bitches all the time.. perhaps that's not where you were going with that.. so I'll let you chime in before that goes any farther. you can call a cop a fucker if you want. they can't arrest you for it. |
asshole is very useful term in my personal vernacular. It can be used to describe the behavior of anyone. Sorry if you thought I was referring to you or anyone else on the thread.
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It's pretty sick that not even the girls confessing and describing these acts in such a manner that makes them highly illegal is not enough for some people to see that they've done anything wrong. |
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See y'all in another thread. I think this one is about wrapped up, personally. Pretty much everyone disagrees with strange, and his position is so riddled with logical inconsistency that it's fairly impossible to imagine how one might find common ground - so why try? I don't mean that as an insult to you strange - but seriously. People with vaginas are inherently not violent and thus shouldn't be charged with violent crime with appropriate sentences, people with penises are and should. Thanks, but no thanks. The middle ages left the station ~700 years ago. edit: rewording for clarity |
I think that image is an appropriate note on which to close this thread.
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