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LAS VEGAS (Reuters) - O.J. Simpson, the former football star who was famously cleared of double murder in the sensational 1990s "Trial of the Century," was found guilty on all charges in his Las Vegas kidnapping and robbery case on Friday.

Simpson was convicted along with co-defendant Clarence "C.J." Stewart on the 13th anniversary of his controversial 1995 acquittal and immediately jailed by Clark County District Court Judge Jackie Glass.

Both Simpson, 61, and Stewart, 54, face mandatory minimum sentences of five years behind bars and could be sentenced to life in prison.

O.J. Simpson convicted, jailed in Las Vegas | U.S. | Reuters


So do think he did it or is this pay back for the out come of the murder trial?

How much time, sounds like min. 5 years, do you think he'll get?

Do you think his appeal is already filed?

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His appeal has most likely been filed. That's just par for the course.

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Yep. The good thing is what goes around comes around. He'll be in jail or the poor hourse. Or both.

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dlish

if you are referring to the murder trial, then i disagree. he was aquitted.

love him or hate him (i am neither) - he deserves what is served to him for this current trial.

one thing to take into consideration though - since he is now fouond guilty, and it is now proven that he has used firearms in a hostile manner such as this, in light of this knowledge does it make him more guilty in the first trial because he has a predisposition to violent acts? can he be retried based on this? what does the US law say about this?

one other thing also though - from what i understand he broke in and was 'stealing his memorobilia back' because it got stolen from him previously. does it make it any more right?

i know that if i had my shit stolen, id be pissed and what whatever i could to get it back. dunno about kidnapping and armed holdups though.

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Tully Mars

He was charged and tried in the state of California which has double jeopardy laws and he can't be charged again for the 13 year old (to the day I might add) murders. That said it's not unheard of for the federal government to step in and charge him with a violation of the victim's civil rights. That civil right being the right to life. Though I don't see that happening, if they were going to do that they would have back when he lost the civil case, IMO.
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I agree but since he's had to hide all his income/money after the civil trial I'm wondering how he's gong to fund that appeal.

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Shove him down a deep dark hole - he got away with murdering his wife and another man, but it looks like there'll be a bit of justice now.

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dlish

but should he not only be judged on the merits of the case at hand?

thats the beauty of the democratic legal system right?

id hate to see him get life for armed robbery.

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Tully Mars

I'm not in favor of holding him accountable for the previous charge as he was found not guilty. Sound too much like doing wrong in an attempt to make it right. I always hate it when we start trying to make two wrongs into a right. I am in favor of tossing him away for these latest charge, the ones he was adjudicated on. But give him the standard sentence anyone else would get for such convictions. Which should put him away for the rest of his life.

All that said, if the Feds did step up and charge him with a civil rights violation I'd be perfectly fine with that.

BTW- I stated in a previous post it was 13 year to the day since the murders. That's wrong. It's 13 years since his acquittal.

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people uh, he looks so decent and innocent, who'd ever thought....

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Tully Mars

Yes, but when you're 61 and have charges of armed robbery and kidnapping an average sentence could easily end up being a life sentence. If you don't want to get "life" for these charges you need to commit these crimes in your mid to late 30's.

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Apparently wire taps have Las Vegas police saying they were going nail him because the LAPD didn't.

His stupidity is legendary though. If he knew someone had his stolebn memorabilia, he should have called the police.

Worst of all we will have to endure yet again, the opining of the Goldman family, probably again on Larry King. They certainly have made their slain son the most famous busboy in the world

Tully Mars

I disagree with their intent. But I don't think it makes him less culpable.

Agree.

I don't know. I don't have a son but if I thought someone killed my daughter and then got off in court with some high priced lawyers I'd do everything in my power to see to it no one ever forgot what he did.

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Even if they were innocent?

shakran

OJ was not found innocent. He was found not-guilty. It's an important distinction. Not-guilty means "the prosecution failed to prove that you did it." It does NOT mean "you absolutely 100% did not do it."

The prosecuting team in the first OJ trial was legendary in its stupidity. In the first place, they took too damn long, going over and over and over facts again and again. That is a surefire way to piss off a jury and make them seriously question your intelligence.

Then, they pulled the glove stunt - let's have him try on this leather glove. As a prosecutor, you NEVER have a defendant do a demonstration if you do not know 100% how it's going to turn out. Not only did they not know if it would fit, but they let him put a rubber glove on first, which added another (high friction) layer to make it even harder for the damn thing to fit.

OJ got off not because he was innocent (because he almost certainly wasn't) but because Marcia Clark and Chris Darden didn't know what the hell they were doing. This explains why she is an occasional correspondent for the hard hitting and intellectually stimulating Entertainment Tonight, while Darden has started his own defense law firm. I can only guess that he acts as the prosecutor when he really wants to get his clients off

Tully Mars

If I got it in my head they were guilty? Yes. Of course if I found out later there really was a one armed man I'd feel like crap about.

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Like the one armed man with OJ in Las Vegas?

Tully Mars

Are you saying you don't think he did it?

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The Las Vegas thing. I think it got blown out of proportion. I don't know if he knew an accomplice of his hand a gun, but even if he did, I don't think it warrants a possible 30 year prison sentence. People wave guns around when they get cut off in traffic and even if charged, probably doesn't come close to what OJ may receive.

I think the cops are out to get him and he is dumb enough to bait them.

As far as his murder trial. I don't know if he did or did not kill his wife. If I were a jury though I would have acquitted him since the evidence did not stand up for me.(Either real evidence or tainted evidence to frame him)

And I don't think he is smart enough to get away with murder

The_Jazz

As an aside, I think that it's probably completely impossible for OJ to get a fair trial anywhere in the US. Who DOESN'T know who he is and that he got off for killing the other two?

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I always thought that the murder trial was more of a media event than a study in justice, and was surprised that he was declared innocent - based on what appeared in the British press his guilt seemed the more likely option - but I wasn't there, so I don't know for sure.

That said the whole "If I Did It" adventure was unsavoury and distasteful, and this case would seem to indicate that he was a nasty person in other areas of his life.

Can't say any of it shocks me, and I suppose he'll never work again in the media (unless he finds God in prison and becomes an evangelist for turning your life around - but that pre-supposes he publicly confesses to EVERYTHING that he's done wrong in the past, and I don't see that happening)

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Tully Mars

I don't know. I always thought he did the murders, but he was found not guilty... so he's not guilty of them. Doesn't mean he didn't do them. I figured he and his white Bronco driving buddy (AJ?) killed the pair. Do I know that? Absolutely not. I followed the trial a little, but due to work and having an life can't say I watched it from start to finish. So if I was on the jury I have no idea how I'd have voted. My impression of the event is clouded by a mix of the trial and news reports.

Do I think the cops are out to get him? Sure some of them. He's tainted. He should have avoided even the appearance of being involved with anything slightly illegal.

As for the Vegas thing being blown out of proportion- ever see the movie Alpha Dog? It's based on a true story. One guy owns another guy for some smoke. The guy owed has the other guys brother kidnapped, things go bad and the brother end up full of bullets. Small things become big things quickly when firearms are involved. As such laws deal with crimes involving firearms more seriously then those without.

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Dec.5/08 he gets sentenced. Never saw that movie Tully Mars but I will look it up.

And for the record, I am indifferent when it comes to OJ. Doesn't matter to me what happens in his life really.

But I find things strange at times. A guy like OJ goes to a hotel room to get back stuff that was allegedly stolen from him and ends up with robbery and kidnapping charges. He must be going, "What the fuck,"

He must wish he were Phil Spector - who ends up with a dead woman in his house, his fingerprints on the gun, first tells the police he did it then recants, is allowed bail for 1 million so he can transport himself by limo to his own murder trial, ends up with a mistrial and the whole time there is barely a yip in the media.

Must be in the cards.

Vigilante

Let him rot in jail. Doesn't matter what he did or didn't do, he's still a bad apple IMO.

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hunnychile

Talk about Karma! WHoa!
I think they should lock him up and throw away the key!

He's a thug and a brutal murderer and...Yes, it finally it caught up with him.

Close the book & throw it at him.

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Makedde

I wonder if the judge will hand down the maximum simply because the jury failed to convict him 13 years ago? Will he be given an abnormally harsh penalty as 'payback'?

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dlish

lucifer - so where does the terms justice and liberty fit into democracy if you think that someone doesnt deserve to be tried based on the merits of the case.

thats the beauty of the 'free world' right isnt it?

bad apple or not, he is still human. sure lock him up for whatever it is that armed robbers and kidnappers get. it may well be a life sentence for him, but dont throw the whole book at him if its only the page you're supposed to hit him with.

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QFT

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shakran

One of the jurors claimed not to know during jury selection.

mrklixx

Two words.


Al Capone.

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dlish

if my illiterate disabled non english speaking grandmother knows..everybody knows!

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Tully Mars

I'm lost. What are you saying here? Maybe I'm just missing something here but how does Al Capone relate to this case.
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I'm not buying that either.

I think sometimes people try to get on these juries just to be part of history or even worse profit, write a book etc...

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percy

I wonder if the tapes of Las Vegas cops caught on tape saying if the LAPD couldn't, "get him," they would, was admisible in the case or not.

mrklixx

Someone who most people consider to be a murderer that was never convicted of murder, who was later convicted of a lesser crime and (hopefully) sent to prison.


Oh, and they are both tax evaders.

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I'm having a hard time trying to find a reason to care about this fuck-tard...

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Tully Mars

Ah, I get it. Makes sense now. I'd blame it on posting early- but I didn't post that until after 10am and several cups of coffee.

I think ol'Al had someone else do his dirty work, while O.J. was a hands on kinda murderer. But I certainly see what you're talking about now.

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Vigilante

Hey I'm not on the jury, so I can be as vengeful or nasty as I want concerning my opinion on his value in our society. That's the beauty of free speech, no?

He can get several years up to a life sentence, so my opinion on that waste of oxygen is that he should pay his dues for the crime he committed.
He went in armed when he should have called the cops, if indeed something was "his".
He knew the situation.
He knew he could be busted.
He didn't give a rat's ass.

Book 'em.

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jewels

If undue prejudice is considered, the conviction could be thrown out.

That said, I would think that emotions may be reflected in sentencing. Gut tells me he'll get the max.

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Poppinjay

AC Cowlings was the driver, FWIW.

And the car was a white Ford Bronco in case anybody has ever forgotten. Ever.

Feh. I'm not going to participate in any debate about his murders. Anybody who witnessed the trial knows he was as guilty as the day is long. Cochrane's early deminse and this conviction are karma.

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Life in prison for armed robbery? That's harsh.
I hope he gets a fair trial.

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Tully Mars

Fair trial? Trial's over, now all that's left is the sentencing. Well and the appeals.

Armed Robbery is a 20 year hit in most states. When you're 61 20 years can be a life sentence. Not to mention he's been found guilty on a slew of other charges. I think if he got the max on all counts he could get 60+ years. I think under Nevada law, just by reading press stories, the sentencing guidelines mean he'll likely get somewhere between 15-25 years. Which, again at his age, could be life.

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