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Old 09-13-2008, 01:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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'Sex Club' for six-year-olds

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Rampant abuse includes 'sex club' for six year olds
  • Boys, 6, performed sex acts in school toilet block
  • Said they belonged to a sex club
  • More stories of abuse by young students emerge

THREE boys aged six ran a sex club at a Brisbane state school demanding and receiving sexual favours from Year 2 classmates.

One outraged father claimed yesterday the school did not bother to tell him for more than a week that his son was involved.

He spoke out as similar stories emerged at state schools on the Gold and Sunshine coasts and Cairns, which indicate the sexual abuse of young students by other school children appears rampant.

The Brisbane father said his son was one of a trio seen performing various sex acts in a toilet block.

"The teachers interrogated the kids and made them write out statements without our consent," he said. "The boys wrote down that they belonged to a sex club.

"The teachers didn't make contact for six days. They sent me an email and said, 'Sorry, we've been busy'.

"We believe older children were also involved. I want a full police investigation.

"I was on the phone for hours being fobbed off by the Education Department."

His revelations came as uproar was sparked by yesterday's Courier-Mail story, which told how the sexual assault of a seven-year-old girl by a young classmate was dismissed as a "childhood experiment" by a country school principal.

The Courier-Mail revealed how the young victim was forced to perform oral sex on the boy who had threatened her with violence.

The principal was still working at the school yesterday despite demands from parents and child welfare groups that she resign.

Meanwhile, on the Sunshine Coast, a gang of nine-year-old boys has been accused of "grooming" children as young as five to engage in sex acts. Investigators were told victims were rewarded with lollies.

A grandmother of one of those victims said the Education Department had promised an investigation but it had come to nothing.

"It got nowhere and the offenders are still at the school being protected," she said.

"My grandson was scared to death and needed counselling. Of course we couldn't leave him there."

She said a little girl molested by boys more than 12 months ago at the same school was still traumatised and experiencing nightmares.

She accused the Crime and Misconduct Commission of simply referring her complaint back to the Education Department.

Opposition Child Safety spokeswoman Jann Stuckey said she raised similar allegations involving children in far north Queensland in May.

She said the Child Safety Department had failed to get involved in countless cases of sexual abuse.

And she criticised the State Government for the "appalling betrayal' of victims such as the seven-year-old girl who had to travel more than eight hours for counselling.

Yesterday Premier Anna Bligh admitted the principal of the school had been too slow to contact police.

A spokesman for the Premier said it had been agreed the family be reimbursed all reasonable costs associated with the child's counselling.

Last night Education Minister Rod Welford ordered the Ethical Standards Unit to investigate allegations.
This is just wild! Age, 6. I have friends who have kids who are 6, a nephew who will be turning 6 soon. I cannot imagine them doing such a thing, mainly because the 6 year olds that I know haven't been exposed to such things as far as their parents have ever explained.

In fact my 5 year old nephew called me and asked me if the battle droids from Star Wars were good guys or bad guys. After answering his question, I asked my sister what he thought of the movies and she said, "Oh no, he's not seen the movies, I won't let him. He only knows of the characters from the toys and tie ins. I won't let him see the movies until he's 8 because it is too violent. Nothing over Y7 for him."

I'm not sure who should be responsible, but ultimately the school's heads will be held responsible.

So how does 6 year old children get exposed to this type of behavior? Why do they emulate it? Because this happened at a school who is ultimately responsible?
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Old 09-13-2008, 02:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm surprised this happened in Australia. It seems America's days as the school-sex-scandal superpower are numbered.
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Old 09-13-2008, 03:04 PM   #3 (permalink)
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one has to ask oneself, where are these children being exposed to what they are trying to emulate?

do they live at home?

is it a boarding school?

is their recreation supervised, whether at home or at school?

hey, this kind of behavior comes from somewhere...
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Old 09-13-2008, 06:46 PM   #4 (permalink)
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My daughter is about to turn six and I can't imagine her even understanding what this would be about.

I tend to think these boys are being abused as well.
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Old 09-14-2008, 07:52 AM   #5 (permalink)
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My daughter is about to turn six and I can't imagine her even understanding what this would be about.

I tend to think these boys are being abused as well.
I am right with you, my daughter would have had no idea. I could understand a little innocent exploring of what makes boys and girls different, but this is insane.
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Old 09-14-2008, 08:37 AM   #6 (permalink)
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there is surprisingly little other information on this shocking occurrence floating about, which is strange.

I think I will have to reserve my opinion for when there is more information.

But it does seem likely that this behaviour is being motivated by something the children have been exposed to, be it directly or indirectly.

The school is at great fault, but I cannot say enough that the details of a child's education are really up to the parents: those that should be the most concerned with every aspect of a child's balanced up-bringing.

But also, even at 6, some kids can be little shits, regardless. I really believe that, yes.
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Old 09-14-2008, 08:39 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I don't know if I'd say it's a clear indicator of abuse, though it's clearly possible. I remember kids "dating" as early as 1rst grade, and they made out and even fooled around.

Before entering school, parents should always remember to teach children the difference between "good touching" and "bad touching". If children don't have this lesson ingrained, they may not report abuse. They'll think they are in trouble and keep quiet. Things like "you won't be in trouble" are good to include in the conversation to help them understand that you're trying to protect them.
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Old 09-14-2008, 09:03 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I am right with you, my daughter would have had no idea. I could understand a little innocent exploring of what makes boys and girls different, but this is insane.

I did the innocent exploring of the differences with the neighbor girl when I was between 4 - 6 (only two or three times). But kids of different ages were usually kept separate when I was growing up. And nobody knew what sex was at that age in my school.

I wonder how it will effect them in their lives? Not just the things they did, but the fact they were caught. And how that will be handled. I was caught once with the girl and it wasn't handled the right way at all. I was never allowed to see her again, I was overly supervised, and I became very secretive and untrusting of anyone. I got no practice talking or being friends with girls until high school, and by that time I had no clue what to do.
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Old 09-14-2008, 02:43 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I did the innocent exploring of the differences with the neighbor girl when I was between 4 - 6 (only two or three times). But kids of different ages were usually kept separate when I was growing up. And nobody knew what sex was at that age in my school.

I wonder how it will effect them in their lives? Not just the things they did, but the fact they were caught. And how that will be handled. I was caught once with the girl and it wasn't handled the right way at all. I was never allowed to see her again, I was overly supervised, and I became very secretive and untrusting of anyone. I got no practice talking or being friends with girls until high school, and by that time I had no clue what to do.
That's pretty harsh, branded for life over something that evolved from innocent curiosity. Such a shame really, a talk, an age appropriate explanation from the parents on the differences in gender, but to lock you in like that, I am sorry to hear. The kids in the story however really need some help and I hope that they get it now that the situation has come out in the open.

I know something like this happened in the neighborhood in one of the forts and also in one of the neighbors campers. It helped a great deal that both sets of parents were very good friends and handled it quite well. They simply made those secluded necking spots a forbidden zone, the kids were still allowed to play. I think they were around 4-5 years old then. No harm done.
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I don't know if I'd say it's a clear indicator of abuse, though it's clearly possible. I remember kids "dating" as early as 1rst grade, and they made out and even fooled around.
I have to agree with this. I can remember playing "house" in kindergarten. I was the mommy and my "boyfriend" was the daddy. We kissed, we made out, we got naked and humped each other. I'm not quite sure where either one of us learned it, but I can guarantee that I was not abused as a child, nor do I remember ever walking in on my mother having sex.

*shrugs*

There are a lot of younger kids that I could say that I don't think would do this sort of thing. However, there are also the kids that I would still be unsure about. I agree with having to teach kids the good touch bad touch. If just one kid introduces the oral sex as a "fun game," it could spread quickly as just that - a game - until it reaches a child that knows better.
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Old 09-14-2008, 05:29 PM   #11 (permalink)
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there is surprisingly little other information on this shocking occurrence floating about, which is strange.
Well, there are obviously lots of news reports - the front page of google gives quite a few hits (this search might be deemed NSFW depending on the nazis in your IT dept, so click with care):

queensland school sex - Google Search
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