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Old 08-03-2008, 07:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The girl in the window
The girl in the window
By Lane DeGregory, Times Staff Writer

Published Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:35 PM

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Part One: The Feral Child

PLANT CITY — The family had lived in the rundown rental house for almost three years when someone first saw a child's face in the window.

A little girl, pale, with dark eyes, lifted a dirty blanket above the broken glass and peered out, one neighbor remembered.

Everyone knew a woman lived in the house with her boyfriend and two adult sons. But they had never seen a child there, had never noticed anyone playing in the overgrown yard.

The girl looked young, 5 or 6, and thin. Too thin. Her cheeks seemed sunken; her eyes were lost.

The child stared into the square of sunlight, then slipped away.

Months went by. The face never reappeared.
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This is a gut wrenching story and one article that has many topics that can come from it.

There's the development and importance of human interaction and what is required to be. From Maslow's hierarchy of needs there is Love & Belonging, it is an important need to be fulfilled. I recall people saying that they believe the worst feelings in the world #1 being hungry, and #2 being lonely.

Another way that this can be digested is just how much DHS/CPS fail and how often they succeed. When they fail, it seems like such a huge failure. This case and the Murder of Nixzmary Brown are great examples of how they fail to protect children.

I don't think that this makes it any easier for me to decide to want to have children. I just don't think that I want to bring a child into this world, let alone be responsible for raising it.

What are some of your thoughts after reading this article?
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Old 08-04-2008, 04:55 AM   #2 (permalink)
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with great power comes great responsibility. I am going to have kids because I know im in a situation good enough to do so. this in no way influences my decision!
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Old 08-04-2008, 05:23 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Few, if any of her needs were met. Part of this that seems a canard on the part of the mother is the fact that she tested an IQ of 77, but had been a university student. I couldn't have gotten into my school with that IQ, and it's just your run of the mill university. I wonder if she screwed the test so as to garner better judgement conditions, or if years of drug abuse fucked her up? That's almost always the problem in cases where families are kept in squalor, or large numbers of pets are kept (as it sounds like the mother is currently doing).

There is always the odd case of somebody just being completely incompetent. That was the case here in DC recently with a sensational story about a borderline retarded woman who killed her daughters and stored the corpses because they had "demons". CPS failed big time in that case, as this woman had been reported multiple times. Case workers falsified documents about having visited her. While I sympathize with truly dedicated case workers, so many in DC get these positions as political favors in an entirely broken government welfare system.

As far as Dani and her hierarchy, children who survived the holocaust managed to rebound over years of perserverance, although most did not.

This story makes me re-think mandated sterilization.
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Old 08-04-2008, 09:24 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I am pleased to read that Dani's adoptive parents have been able to provide a nurturing environment. I do hope that their son does not feel slighted, doesn't sound like he does. I am bothered by the situation with the birth mother. Was there no attempt to educate Michelle on acceptable cleanliness standards? I am saddened that no one has been able to explain to her exactly why her child was taken from her. I do not understand why her current residence seems habitable while the previous residence violated health standards.


I hope that Dani can be rehabilitated. I would like to hear an autobiography of her life experiences.
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Old 08-04-2008, 12:11 PM   #5 (permalink)
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The mom should be locked up for the rest of her life. And the brothers as well for being accessories to that degree of abuse.
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Old 08-04-2008, 05:22 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I am amazed that anyone could let another human being, let alone their own flesh and blood live in such squalor.
What the hell was this mother thinking?! And I use that term very loosely... as mother implies something with meaning!
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Old 08-05-2008, 07:43 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Danielle's birth mother did not want to give her up even though she had been charged with child abuse and faced 20 years in prison. So prosecutors offered a deal: If she waived her parental rights, they wouldn't send her to jail.
Why was she given that option?

While I understand that different people have different "standards", this goes far and above what a normal person would find even remotely "acceptable". But, it's easy to armchair quarterback this situation with 20/20 hindsight.

Is the DHHS at fault?
Perhaps. But then again, they're always in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Not to mention being overwhelmed under a staggering case load. What can be expected?

If the birth mother was telling the truth about attempting to enrole Danielle in school, and not finding one that would accept her, then perhaps that raises some more questions. While it is understandable, given Danielle's "condition", that she could not attend a mainstream school, why were no red flags raised? Or, were there? If it ever even happened.

How much government involvment are we willing to tolerate in order to insure that this doesn't happen again? I mean, upon birth a child could be placed into a centralized database that could monitor doctor visits, school enrolement, etc. It could make sure that no child simply falls off of the radar. But, it's invasive, for those of us that do do what we're supposed to. Not to mention expensive.

So what's the answer? I mean besides the kneejerk reactions of outrage? What can reasonably be done to ensure that the "Michelles" in this world are not allowed to let their "Danielles" fall through the cracks of our undeniably broken system?
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Old 08-05-2008, 07:51 AM   #8 (permalink)
 
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But, it's invasive, for those of us that do do what we're supposed to. Not to mention expensive.
I wouldn't mind either of these things, if I knew that it ensured the well-being of children such as this one. But I am a big fan of paying tons more taxes and having the government (not the present administration, though) be a hell of a lot more responsible/involved than they are--so I guess we're on different sides there.
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Old 08-05-2008, 08:21 AM   #9 (permalink)
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We've had some really crazy threads here about DHS/CPS, which google brought us the fruit and nut basket prize.

Yes, I think that it isn't 100% effective, but at the same time it does help more people than zero. There were people who came only to post in that thread, and they didn't think much of DHS/CPS. When it fails, it fails massively.

But I'm not interested in government programs picking up the slack. There are many NGOs in my neighborhood that seem to keep our space humming right along.
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Old 08-05-2008, 08:29 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I guess we're on different sides there.
Probably.

My experience with the government, and it goes well beyond this administration, is that things are black and white. It's this, or it's that. You're either for us, or you're ag'in us. There are no shades of gray. So, who decides what the levels of acceptability are?

Although...I might be persuaded to go along with something along the lines of my "database" idea. I mean, even the city of Omaha knows to send me a license renewal notice for my dog. Point there is...someone's paying attention. At least when it comes to revenue.
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Old 08-05-2008, 08:34 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I wouldn't mind either of these things, if I knew that it ensured the well-being of children such as this one. But I am a big fan of paying tons more taxes and having the government (not the present administration, though) be a hell of a lot more responsible/involved than they are--so I guess we're on different sides there.
I didn't see the "not the present administration though" comment.

but we don't know or can predict what future administrations are. So we pay into the system thinking that we're going to get something out or from the system at some point in time. this is why I temper my amount of money I'm willing to contribute to any program because there is always the chance of a bungling or disagreeable administration.

but, something interesting you've extended the DHS/CPS to the federal level, when in fact it isn't federalized, but differs from state to state, city to city.
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but, something interesting you've extended the DHS/CPS to the federal level, when in fact it isn't federalized, but differs from state to state, city to city.
Which is as it should be.

However, for something like my "database" to be effective, it would have to be federalized. Otherwise, "Michelle" could just skip from town to town, from state to state. Even the DOT came up with the CDL for commercial driver's. It's still issued by the state, but falls under a federal database to monitor driver's records. At one time, drivers could all to easily maintain several licenses from several states. Point one license out from too many infractions, whip out the next one. The CDL put an end to that. Plus penalties are stiffer for CDL holders. And, best of all, it's funded by the increased cost of actually carrying a CDL.

My original question stands. How involved are we willing to allow the government to be? Federal, state or local.
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Old 08-05-2008, 04:31 PM   #13 (permalink)
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We have a huge problem nearby in Philly, Pa with the way children are not protected and caseworkers routinely forge paperwork to cover up non-enforcement.

Well, last year another child starved too death in much the same scenario as the very sad story that opens this thread. Last week a Grand Jury indicted eight individuals, including Ma and Pa AND a close friend who watched this little girl starve to death.

No doubt the defense will be a pre-occupation with 'cracking up' that distracted the three from their duty to care for a child. Knowing the Philly court system they will all be sentenced to rehab and given more welfare money.

The child services dropped the ball on so many levels and so many officials knew about this case and ignored it. When the kid died they all forged paperwork and or lied about their knowledge of the case.

With a eighteen open files you'd think the caseworker could maybe do her job?

Screw giving the government more money to fix a culture of iresponsibility. Lets put a few of them in jail to hammer home the point that you don't let kids starve to death under your care.

The city of Philadelphia is a case study of how badly government can fail when a population loses the will (and need) to provide for itself. Its a scandal a week down here. BTW, this has been a Democrat governed disaster for at least fifty years.
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Old 08-05-2008, 10:06 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Sad yet amazing story. Random thoughts I had while reading it.

The state had to plead down the mothers sentence in order for her to give up her parenting rights? That ludicrous. She was not that child's mother. There really should be legal standards of parenthood that go slightly beyond giving birth.

Amazing that people are what make people, people. Without other people a human being doesn't develop into a human being. Thought provoking.

Social services are filled with people who genuinely care but have their hands tied with bureaucracy, and it's filled with people who really don't care about anything and are there for a paycheck. If the public pays for social services, we really should stand up and ensure that they are filled with the best amongst us. It's disheartening and seems that our social services are being filled with people who ignore the "social service" part of the job. I'm still young, what little contact I've had with the workers of our government hasn't been pleasant.

DHS isn't perfect but this is 2008, a girl seen by the system but ignored to this point is beyond the realm of comprehension.

This article really made me sad.
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Old 08-05-2008, 10:41 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I don't even know what I think about this story yet. I constantly am reminded why I am disgusted with humanity these days. But then, there are bright spots, like the adoptive parents, that make it all worth while. There are decent people in this indecent time. Sadly just not many!
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