Willravel

Why would anything have drastically changed?

ASU2003

This map shows what changed.

http://health.msn.com/fitness/articl...ntid=100133520

And I don't believe the current administration has done anything to fix any other of the things the WHO graded everyone on.

Cynthetiq

So what about Sumo wrestlers? Are they just big boned? or exempt from this "obese" definition?

seems to be that they are "nonconformists" of Japanese culture...

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Baraka_Guru

I think it would be tough to find many (if any) active sumo wrestlers into their forties. (The regulation is to measure those between the ages forty and seventy-five.)

The two active Yokozunas (highest rank) are twenty-three and twenty-seven. There are lower-ranking sumos in their thirties, but I couldn't find any over forty.

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Cynthetiq

Oh... then you're WRONG.
for my friend...

"Why don't you eat more healthy?"

gee.... he doesn't want to eath the way that people who are healthy want to eat... smacks of NONCONFORMIST to me.

but hey, you've got to be right.

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Willravel

There's a difference between having to be right and being right, but that discussion does not belong in this thread... and presenting it is a big fat red herring.

Judging by your description, your friend is apathetic. Nonconformity would be him eating what he eats to be different. He doesn't seem to have that agenda.

Cynthetiq

okay will, you're right.

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This proves that I am truly invisible.

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Cynthetiq

not at all... i didn't read the entire thread as I do normally, I've had lots going on IRL.

just asked off the cuff.. .sorry you're not invisible.

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Ratman

So what about professional football players? Are they nonconformist in American culture? This is a ridiculous threadjack that has nothing to do with the question at hand.

BTW, there is one sumo rikishi that is over 40- Tochitenko at Maku no shita 59. He is 41 years old, 178cm tall and 147.3kg. There is also a 39 year old, Kimenryu at Ms 55, 189cm, 135.6kg. In Japan, you are considered your age for the whole year, not just after your birthday, so technically he is 40. There are 734 wrestlers in
the professional ranks, plus collegiate and others. Suffice to say this is a very, very small percentage of the Japanese population. As their weight is a part of the sport, I would bet that exceptions would be made for them, as for Judo Olympians, K-1 fighters, American football players, and so on.

There are always going to be those that fall outside of the norm, which is why it's the norm and not the all. This legislation does not punish the offender, it pays attention to those who need help. It punishes the companies that demand so much from employees that they have little chance at a healthy lifestyle. If the companies decide to simply pay the fines, with medical intervention they have to accommodate the doctor's orders. so either way, the patient has a chance at success. For those that don't work, it is now unfashionable to be "metabo", and the social pressure will help push those people into healthier lifestyles.

You simply cannot compare Japan and the US in these terms. The very reasons this will work in Japan are the reasons why it wouldn't work in the US. If you are determined to be fat, a drug addict, a scofflaw, or anything else outside the norm of Japanese society, please do not move here. Stay in the US where you have the "right" to do whatever you want, including scream about how "wronged" you are by this law or that law, and you can probably win a "fat" settlement against your heatlthcare provider because they didn't "make" you lose weight.

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Baraka_Guru

He tends to overlook the "non" in "nonconformity." It is important, as it implies a refusal (or failure). "Non-" is a negation, not necessarily a will to action.

This is not to say that he isn't partially right.

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Cynthetiq

Yes. They are in the same manner that I have spoken to. In fact, it's very widely touted how much food they eat and how many calories they intake. It does not conform to anything within the realm of normal food intake.

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I'm not interested in moving to Japan. I've not said it either. I'm not even concerned about how it affects the Japanese culture because it's so radically different and articles I have read state it's something unique to them. My only application to the discussion has been toward how the same rules could not apply to here, not just because of the lack of universal healthcare, but because of the freedom to be who you want to be, regardless of societal norms.

The only interjection for Japanese culture was me asking how Sumo wrestlers fit within the realm of this law.

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Ratman

I would argue that NFL players are exactly conforming to American society, because they are doing everything they can with what they've got (in spite of the health risks involved) to succeed. But that's a discussion for a different thread. Maybe in Tilted Philosophy?

Please don't take my post as a reply to you (Cynthetiq), as it was to the ubiquitous you. And you (Cynthetiq), are completely right that the same rules would not apply in the US, as I have stated in my posts. Unfortunately many others have replied without any understanding of why it works here and not there. This is true for other things as well, like gun control. It is irksome to read statements along the lines of "no-one is going to take away my right to be whatever I want" as though that is what's happening here, with no understanding that it is simply the government working in what it feels is the best interests of it's people.

Edit: With the people's support. The Japanese understand the need for this law, and they agree with it. They understand it is not in their best interests to be fat, and they appreciate the Gov't stepping in to help them.

Again, none of my posts have been directed at any individual in particular.

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Cynthetiq

an interesting point... still conforming in one area while not conforming in another.

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Nisses

Actually, I would say that both the Sumo as well as the NFL players are (and have to) conform extremely to their archetype/cliché in order to even succeed.

I suppose some groups just naturally fall outside of the general norm but are tolerated because of the specific nature of their group.

Generating some form of choice I suppose.

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