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MSD 06-26-2003 09:21 AM

Supreme Court Overturns Texas Law
 
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/6175557.htm

Quote:

Supreme Court strikes down Texas sodomy law
By Anne Gearan
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court struck down a ban on gay sex Thursday, ruling that the law was an unconstitutional violation of privacy.

The 6-3 ruling reverses course from a ruling 17 years ago that states could punish homosexuals for what such laws historically called deviant sex.

Laws forbidding homosexual sex, once universal, now are rare. Those on the books are rarely enforced but underpin other kinds of discrimination, lawyers for two Texas men had argued to the court.

The men "are entitled to respect for their private lives," Kennedy wrote.

"The state cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime," he said.

Justices John Paul Stevens, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer agreed with Kennedy in full. Justice Sandra Day O'Connor agreed with the outcome of the case but not all of Kennedy's rationale.

Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist and Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas dissented.

"The court has largely signed on to the so-called homosexual agenda," Scalia wrote for the three. He took the unusual step of reading his dissent from the bench.

"The court has taken sides in the culture war," Scalia said, adding that he has "nothing against homosexuals."

The two men at the heart of the case, John Geddes Lawrence and Tyron Garner, have retreated from public view. They were each fined $200 and spent a night in jail for the misdemeanor sex charge in 1998.

The case began when a neighbor with a grudge faked a distress call to police, telling them that a man was "going crazy" in Lawrence's apartment. Police went to the apartment, pushed open the door and found the two men having anal sex.

As recently as 1960, every state had an anti-sodomy law. In 37 states, the statutes have been repealed by lawmakers or blocked by state courts.

Of the 13 states with sodomy laws, four _ Texas, Kansas, Oklahoma and Missouri _ prohibit oral and anal sex between same-sex couples. The other nine ban consensual sodomy for everyone: Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Utah and Virginia.

Thursday's ruling apparently invalidates those laws as well.

The Supreme Court was widely criticized 17 years ago when it upheld an antisodomy law similar to Texas'. The ruling became a rallying point for gay activists.

Of the nine justices who ruled on the 1986 case, only three remain on the court. Rehnquist was in the majority in that case _ Bowers v. Hardwick _ as was O'Connor. Stevens dissented.

A long list of legal and medical groups joined gay rights and human rights supporters in backing the Texas men. Many friend-of-the-court briefs argued that times have changed since 1986, and that the court should catch up.

At the time of the court's earlier ruling, 24 states criminalized such behavior. States that have since repealed the laws include Georgia, where the 1986 case arose.

Texas defended its sodomy law as in keeping with the state's interest in protecting marriage and child-rearing. Homosexual sodomy, the state argued in legal papers, "has nothing to do with marriage or conception or parenthood and it is not on a par with these sacred choices."

The state had urged the court to draw a constitutional line "at the threshold of the marital bedroom."

Although Texas itself did not make the argument, some of the state's supporters told the justices in friend-of-the-court filings that invalidating sodomy laws could take the court down the path of allowing same-sex marriage.

The case is Lawrence v. Texas, 02-102.
About time. Maybe it will happen in other states. As for the part about taking the court down the path to allowing same-sex marriages, I'd be glad to see that, too.

dimbulb 06-26-2003 10:10 AM

Texas Sodomy Law Struck Down
 
Merged with identical post by hrdwareguy

Tektronic 06-26-2003 10:22 AM

nice, (im in Houston).

TwistedFate 06-26-2003 10:27 AM

Very interesting. I don't think I ever would have thought that people could actually get punished for practicing homosexualty. I don't know why I felt that way, in my state you can only have sex in the missionary position, in your bedroom, with the person you are married to. Anything else is against the law.

mtsgsd 06-26-2003 10:28 AM

I wonder what would happen if all level of the government did some house cleaning and struck all obsolete, nonsensical or more importantly unenforceable laws that are on their books now? The printing industry would be hurt pretty hard I bet. :)

dimbulb 06-26-2003 10:42 AM

I think these laws are there just in case the government needs something to pin onto you.

Oral sex without subsequent vaginal sex is technically illegal in my country. How they ever enforce that (which they don't, but they could...) is beyond me.

I have bad vibes regarding laws which are selectively enforced...

hiredgun 06-26-2003 11:27 AM

Supreme Court strikes down Texas sodomy law
 
Merged with another thread of the same type by hrdwareguy

Conclamo Ludus 06-26-2003 11:32 AM

If they're consenting adults, the government shouldn't be in the bedroom.

Daval 06-26-2003 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Conclamo Ludus
If they're consenting adults, the government shouldn't be in the bedroom.

I agree 100%

Lebell 06-26-2003 11:52 AM

I'm glad that the SCOTUS finally decided to weigh in on this issue, although I'm somewhat shocked that it wasn't even more lop-sided.

I don't see how some people want a smaller, less intrusive government, but have no problem with it sticking it's collective nose into the bedroom of consenting adults.

The_Dude 06-26-2003 11:55 AM

i wouldnt be surprised if ashcroft decides to add sodomy to the patriot act :D

anyway, i cant belive those 3 idiots voted against it.


"The court has largely signed on to the so-called homosexual agenda," - omfg!

i really wanna know what rehnquest had to say about htis, anyone find his brief?

The_Dude 06-26-2003 11:58 AM

also a post on this on the politics board, anyone wanna merge these?

JStrider 06-26-2003 01:09 PM

well i think its a good thing... stop discrimination... and get the government that much more out of our lives...

now we just need to see if texas will get rid of its sex toy laws

Charlatan 06-26-2003 01:31 PM

So the law used to just prohibit Same sex anal sex?

Does that mean that straight couples having anal sex are Ok then?

What about Two women with a strap-on having anal penetration?


Sounds to me like it was about bloody time the law was struck down.

RaGe2012 06-26-2003 02:04 PM

Supreme Court Texas Sodomy Ruling
 
The Supreme Court today ruled that the sodomy laws (read as "anti-homosexual legislation") in Texas be repealed. Prior to this, homosexuals were basically treated as criminals. Its funny to watch a bunch of bible-thumping moronic Texans on TV calling the ruling a religious slap in the face. Since when did homosexuality have anything to do with Christianity? There's nothing in the bible that says anything remotely close to homosexuality being wrong.

My personal opinion on this whole thing is that I feel gays should have the same rights as anyone else. They are Americans too (and are free to do as they please, so long as they do nothing to harm me). They aren't a threat to anyone.

To make a long story short...GOOD. More Civil Rights to a long oppressed group.

The_Dude 06-26-2003 02:04 PM

straight couples having anal sex as ok in texas, BUT it was illegal in some other states till this verdict.

The_Dude 06-26-2003 02:05 PM

there are a couple of threads about this floating around

Vyk 06-26-2003 02:51 PM

I'm glad the law was struck down. I'm a heterosexual male so it doesn't affect me but I take serious umbrage to the government trying to decide what goes on in the bedroom between consenting adults.

clockworkgreen 06-26-2003 03:26 PM

Agreed. Leave it in the ring. The refs don't have any say about it, even if Cletus doesn't mind getting the shaft.

G_Whiz 06-26-2003 03:43 PM

Just to add another layer to the discussion, it is my understanding that the definition of sodomy in the Texas law included anal and ORAL sex. So it is possible for two females to have committed sodomy without strap-ons.

It is really interesting to hear the conservatives argue for less government intrusion into peoples lives, except in the bedroom.

gibber71 06-26-2003 05:39 PM

I read this article and laughed about the 'other' 9 states where sodomy regarding everyone is illegal. And what century are we in? The 19th,..20th,..oh that's right,.. the 21st.

HamiC 06-26-2003 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by G_Whiz
It is really interesting to hear the conservatives argue for less government intrusion into peoples lives, except in the bedroom.
Great point.

The_Dude 06-26-2003 07:02 PM

bah, nobody is gonna stand up for the law? there's GOT to be a neocon here that will do this

XenuHubbard 06-26-2003 09:37 PM

This kind of got me thinking about the song the fox sings in "Meet the Feebles".

Slims 06-27-2003 12:14 AM

I think it means that our society is in fact, moving in the right direction....where you can do whatever you want to provided that you don't hurt anyone else (who doesn't want to be).

Also, I think this ruling also in effect, gets rid of those silly laws that make pre marital sex between heterosexual couples illegal.

YourNeverThere 06-27-2003 12:19 AM

im not going to stand up for it, i think its a good idea to strick it, how can the state decide who does what?

Sparhawk 06-27-2003 05:57 AM

Court overturns Sodomy ban
 
Consensual sex is consensual sex is consensual sex. I don't care where you put it *grin*

Merged by hrdwareguy

Conclamo Ludus 06-27-2003 06:21 AM

The government shouldn't be hanging out in your bedroom. Consenting adults can do whatever they want to eachother.

I don't know how the government could ever ban sodomy. They sodomize all of us during tax season. :D

The_Dude 06-27-2003 07:07 AM

there's a post about this on gen discussion

manalone 06-27-2003 08:55 AM

excellent. One more step on the way to total implementation of the Evil Plan, headed from the HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA! MuHaHaHa!

For those that don't know, this vile scheme includes:
* letting two people who are in love express their act as they see fit (gasp)
* gaining acceptance and privacy in their most personal of relationships (more gasps, women swoon)

Pretty maniacal, huh?

Bobaphat 06-27-2003 02:54 PM

Supreme Court Sodomy Ruling
 
So how does everyone feel about this one? Quite frankly, I can hardly believe that any of these laws are still on the books and that they even deserve 3 seconds of the Supreme Courts time. Just goes to show there are still some back-asswords places in this country.:crazy:

rogue49 06-27-2003 03:03 PM

The government need to get it's head out of the bedrooms of citizens,
and back into the audit books.

I don't give a shit what someone is doing in their personal life,
I want to know where the fuck my money is going.

The_Dude 06-27-2003 03:03 PM

there's a discussion in gen disc

***cynthetiq*** merged with GD thread.

james t kirk 06-28-2003 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rogue49
The government need to get it's head out of the bedrooms of citizens,
and back into the audit books.

I don't give a shit what someone is doing in their personal life,
I want to know where the fuck my money is going.

EXACTLY

MacGnG 06-28-2003 01:15 PM

gotta agree with rogue

there are so many old laws that are ridiculous, they need to spend so time just taking out all the old laws. like u can't spit on the sidewalk and buying alcohol on sundays :p

bermuDa 06-28-2003 06:58 PM

good to see the government "pulling out" of private affairs


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