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Hain · 05-01-2008, 12:59 AM

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AMSTETTEN, Austria (CNN) -- DNA testing has confirmed that Josef Fritzl, who police say confessed to holding his daughter hostage in underground rooms for more than two decades, fathered seven children with her, an Austrian law enforcement official said Tuesday.

Josef Fritzl appeared in court after admitting raping his daughter and fathering her seven children.

"It is clear now (that) the six children of Elisabeth Fritzl, that she bore ... that this is the father, who is now 73 years old, something that we, from a criminal point of view, we have never met such a case. Astonishing," said Franz Polzer, director of the Lower Austrian Bureau of Criminal Affairs.

The seventh child died shortly after birth, and Fritzl told police he burned the infant's body in an oven, authorities said. Though its body was not available for DNA testing, police said it was a twin to one of the six tested.

Fritzl's DNA also was found on a letter sent to the Fritzl family that was made to look like it was from his daughter, Elisabeth, Polzer said.

Authorities said Fritzl sent other such letters over the years, leading the family to believe that Elisabeth was a runaway who had abandoned three of her children on the Fritzls' doorstep.

Those three children lived in the home above the cellar prison -- in which the three other children remained -- with Fritzl and his wife, Elisabeth's mother, Rosemarie.

Authorities said it doesn't appear that Rosemarie Fritzl was involved in or knew about her husband's activities.

She had talked to her friend Gertrude Baumgarten about one of the infants left on her doorstep.

"She said she believed her daughter had had the child with someone from the cult and couldn't take care of it. That's why Elisabeth laid it in front of the door.

"And [Rosemarie] said, 'Well, what can we do? We have to take the child in,' " Baumgarten said.

"She never knew that something was so very wrong there," she said, adding, "I believe it would be fitting to get a rope and hang him. Such a pig!"

Reports have surfaced in The Times of London and Austria's Presse that Fritzl was convicted of sexual assault in the 1960s, but there is nothing in his record to confirm this, District Governor Hans Heinz Lenze said. He added, however, that records are expunged after a certain number of years.

Prosecutors are checking back records to try to find this information, said Gerhard Sedlacek, prosecutor for the state of Poelten.

The Times of London quotes a 50-year-old neighbor who said that when he was 10, he remembered "how we children were afraid to play near Mr. F's house because of the rumors that he had raped a woman and spent some time in jail for it."

Fritzl led police to the cellar, which has about 100 square feet, on Sunday. A day later, he confessed to raping Elisabeth, now 42, and keeping her and their children in captivity in the cellar for years, police said.

Josef Fritzl was able to convince social service workers, friends and family that Elisabeth had run away in 1984, when she was about 18. Police describe him as an authoritarian figure, forbidding anyone in the family from entering the cellar.

In the cellar with Elisabeth were a daughter, Kerstin, 19; and two sons, Stefan, 18; and Felix, 5.

The three children held in the cellar in the town of Amstetten were still in the hospital Tuesday after their horrific ordeal.

The eldest of the children, Kerstin Fritzl, was in an induced coma.

Stefan and Felix are said to be doing "surprisingly well and in good health," considering that they had never been exposed to sunlight, CNN's Phil Black said. The boys are still undergoing medical treatment, he added.

Police said Tuesday that they have searched other properties belonging to Fritzl to make sure there are no other similar situations. Nothing has been found, they said.

Also Tuesday, a judge ordered Fritzl to remain in custody. He appeared calm and showed no emotion in court, according to an Austrian reporter present.

Some neighbors have lived in the area for 30 years and not only knew Josef Fritzl but also knew Elisabeth as a youngster, said Maria Otto Pries, who has lived in the area only three years and did not know the family.

"Many people have shaken his hand and said hello and gone to the same bakery with him and had a coffee with him at the coffee shop," she said. "The scarier fact is that it happened just around the corner." Video See how Austrians are troubled by the case »

Thomas Birgfellner, a reporter with Austrian broadcaster ORF, said there was a strong belief that, with his expertise as a former electrical engineer, Fritzl -- who installed an electronic security door in the cellar -- must have had help from other people.

"Everyone has said he could not do it alone. He could not install it alone, and now they have to investigate if there were some other people who assisted him," Birgfellner said.

It was Kerstin's serious condition that led to the unraveling of the case over the weekend, forcing Josef Fritzl -- who she thought was her grandfather -- to take her to the hospital in Amstetten, west of Vienna.

Kerstin's mother, Elisabeth, begged Josef Fritzl to take the teen to the hospital.

Josef told his wife that their missing daughter had dropped off ailing Kerstin on the doorstep with a note asking that they get her medical care.

Josef took her to the town's clinic with the note, but doctors needed more information to determine why the young woman was unconscious and having violent convulsions.

So they contacted police, who asked the local media to report on Kerstin's situation in an effort to find the missing mother.
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Elisabeth and her two sons saw the reports on the television provided to them in their living quarters, Polzer said, and "they desperately pleaded with their father so they could be taken [to the hospital] ... [and] do something for the 19-year-old."

Josef Fritzl agreed and took all three of the remaining captives out of the basement, explaining to Rosemarie and the rest of the family that Elisabeth had reappeared with her two children after 24 years. Video Watch a report of how the case unfolded. »

He took them to the hospital, and authorities there realized that something was wrong. Police picked up both Josef and Elisabeth on Saturday near the hospital and brought them into the station for questioning.

Josef would not talk to police, but Elisabeth began to tell her story once she was convinced that she would never have to see her father again and that her children would be safe.
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She told police that her father began sexually abusing her at age 11.

On August 8, 1984, weeks before she was reported missing, her father enticed her into the basement, where he drugged her, put her in handcuffs and locked her in a room, she told police.

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1977: Elisabeth Fritzl claims she was first abused by her father Josef when she was 11 years old.

1984: Elisabeth is allegedly lured into the cellar of her house and drugged and handcuffed by her father. She is forced to write letters saying she has run away from home.

1988: Her first child, Kerstin, is born.

1989: Elisabeth gives birth to her first son, Stefan.

1993: Nine-month-old Lisa is left on the doorstep of the Fritzl house, with a letter asking Josef and his wife, Rosemarie, to look after her.

1994: Another child, Monika, arrives with another similar note and is adopted by the Fritzls.

1996: Elisabeth gives birth to twins, but one dies after three days. Josef allegedly burned the body.

1997: Alexander, the surviving twin, is moved upstairs to join the rest of the family.

2003: Another letter from Elisabeth arrives saying she had a second son, Felix, the previous year. He is also raised in the cellar.

2008:

April 19: Kerstin is taken to that hospital after falling serious ill, and doctors discover that her grandfather is her father.

April 20-27: Josef releases Elisabeth, Stefan and Felix and tells his wife they have chosen to return home.

April 26: Police pick up Josef and Elisabeth near the Amstetten hospital where Kerstin is being treated.

April 27: Josef admits his guilt after Elisabeth's statement.

April 28: Police search the family's house and discover a cramped cellar with special security door.

April 29: Josef Fritzl appears in court.

What a monster... I don't even know what to discuss about this. The children locked away never saw daylight. The wife "did not know." Something has gone horribly wrong.

jewels · 05-01-2008, 03:14 AM

I heard that one last week. That's some freaky, scary shit.

What amazes me is that co-workers are commenting that they're glad it didn't happen here (in the US), as if somehow that made us better?

Daniel_ · 05-01-2008, 03:57 AM

Nasty story.

Could we move this thread from "FotNet" to "general discussion"?

This has been running in the European press since it broke last week, and it's grim indeed.

The worst of it, is that it's the second story that's come to light in the past year (the other beign the 10 y.o. girl kidnapped and held in a basement by a non-family member).

The more I hear about the story the odder it gets. The man kept his daugher locked in a basement and got her pregnant six times (once with twins).

Three kids were "left on the doorstep" and brought up by him and his wife.

One died young and was burned in the incinerator.

Three were kept in the basement and never saw light of day.

His wife claims not to know anythig about it.

It only came to light when he brought the eldest child out of the basement for medical attention. This was his eldest grand/daughter.

It's not been announced what was wring with her, but some of the rumours I hear was that it was maybe that he'd got her pregnant too, and she was not doing well.

If true (and it is wild speculation) this would mean that he was father, grandfather, and great grandfather to the foetus.

Apparently Police are investigating the disappearance of a young woman nearby to his other property several years ago also.

lotsofmagnets · 05-01-2008, 04:05 AM

she gave birth 7 (seven) times in the cellar either with or without her father´s help? strange to say the least. but yeah, this story broke here in iceland already nearly a week ago

Daniel_ · 05-01-2008, 04:31 AM

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she gave birth 7 (seven) times in the cellar either with or without her father´s help? strange to say the least. but yeah, this story broke here in iceland already nearly a week ago

Six times - one set of twins (one died), but still very shocking.

ÐiGiRed · 05-01-2008, 04:37 AM

Heard about this a few days ago, it's horrible. I still don't get how his wife never found out about it until now. I mean, how could he have kept something that big a secret for so long..?

Just when you think you've heard of everything...

highthief · 05-01-2008, 05:27 AM

Must be something in the Austrian water - that's the second such case in the last couple of years over there.

blahblah454 · 05-01-2008, 05:47 AM

That is absolutely frightening to know that there is people that messed up in the world.

I sure hope that the kids are going to be okay, they are still so young, and yet would be so traumatized. Not to mention that there grandfather is also their father.

This is really a scary story.

Slims · 05-01-2008, 06:10 AM

There is absolutely no way the wife didn't know.

How would you not notice the giant security door where your basement door used to be?

In every house I have been in you can hear the toilet flush from anywhere in the house.

What about the screams of a woman giving birth, let alone yelling for help?

Who would let their spouse install a lock on the basement door, and then inexplicably spend long hours in the basement with no explanation?

If she isn't involved, then she has to be one of the dumbest people ever to walk the earth.

QuasiMondo · 05-01-2008, 07:10 AM

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That is absolutely frightening to know that there is people that messed up in the world.

There's always been people this messed up in the world. It's been like this from the beginning of humanity, it'll be like that until the end of humanity.

Jinn · 05-01-2008, 07:11 AM

It seems to be coming out that he ruled with an iron hand, and that she (and the lodgers they had) were strictly forbidden from entering the basement and interrupting his "work" (drafting plans for machines)..

There's a lot that can be done with physical and verbal intimidation, especially to someone who doesn't think they can get / deserve better.

genuinegirly · 05-01-2008, 08:45 AM

This is very sad. I don't understand how the wife just didn't know? Denial can do incredible things.

Thank goodness one of the girls went to the hospital - would have taken much longer for them to catch on otherwise.

How difficult must this be for the daughter who has been locked in a cellar all these years.

SSJTWIZTA · 05-01-2008, 10:53 AM

what...the...fuck

just when you think a news story breaks that involves the biggest creep ever, another comes and tops it.

im seriously speechless about this, im surprised i could write this much.

now excuse me, while i go and hate people a little more.

Punk.of.Ages · 05-01-2008, 10:57 AM

What a horrible situation.

All those lives ruined because of one man's twisted mind.

I can't even imagine what it would be like to be born into a room, and for my whole life that room is all the world I know. Then, one day you come out into the unlimited space of the real world.

Wow.

Jinn · 05-01-2008, 11:03 AM

Turns out they had a TV, which at least gave them some of a view of the outside world..

The_Jazz · 05-01-2008, 11:13 AM

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Turns out they had a TV, which at least gave them some of a view of the outside world..

I was hesitant to post this earlier, but Jinn gives me a good segueway. The Sun's versions of events.

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The pitiful world created by Stefan Fritzl, 18, and his five-year-old brother Felix during their lifetime of underground captivity was revealed by police yesterday.

It also emerged that their mother Elisabeth — caged with the boys by her rapist father — never told them the truth about their terrible plight.

Instead she invented a fantasy world for them by filling their heads with wondrous stories of princes and princesses.

The Austrian boys DO understand their native language, gleaned from years of watching TV in the windowless bunker.

Furnace ... where baby was buried
But their accent is unique and when left alone they babble in their own coded tongue.

Police Inspector Leopold Etz said: "With each other, the boys communicate with noises that are a mixture of growling and cooing.

"If they want to say something so others understand, they have to focus and really concentrate — which seems to exhaust them."

It is thought Felix’s joints and muscles did not develop properly in the cramped bunker, possibly due to malnutrition. And the little lad walks like a monkey.

‘Far from normal’ ... Dr Kepplinger

Insp Etz said: "He prefers to crawl but can walk upright if he wants. He mostly uses a mixture of the two — half walking, half crawling."

Doctor Berthold Kepplinger, who has examined the boys, said: "They communicate with each other but with a far-from-normal way.

"Their mother taught them some reading and writing, although Elisabeth herself lost much of her childhood knowledge due to the years of abuse that began when she was 11 and her imprisonment from the age of 18.

"There were no books in the dungeon. The main source of education, over the years, has been the television."

The children’s only exposure to anything like real life was through storylines of daytime soap operas.

Psychiatry professor Rotraud Perner, who has seen them, said: "It seems they may have created their own illusory world."

Daughter ... Elisabeth
Insp Etz told how Felix has been "full of joy and excitement" at seeing the outside for the first time. The officer said: "He made excited gurgling noises when he saw a cow. He slaps the air with his hand when he can’t control his excitement.

"He squeaked when he saw the sun. He kept covering his face with his hand after realising looking at it directly was not possible."

But the boy is scared of confined spaces — and clasps his mother while in lifts.

Elisabeth, now 42, had seven children through being raped by her 73-year-old father in the dungeon below his house in Amstetten.

He immediately "adopted" three — Lisa, 16, Monika, 14, and Alexander, 12 — and took them above ground.

A twin of Alexander died at birth. And yesterday the furnace in which Fritzl burned the body to maintain his awful secret was revealed.

The red solid-fuel burner is in the family cellar, just outside the security-coded trapdoor leading to the dungeon.

The antiquated clunking contraption has a steel hatch and pipes linked to the house’s central heating system.

The other child kept underground, 19-year-old Kerstin, was still in a coma last night with kidney failure.

Fritzl remained in custody as more details emerged of the children he had with wife Rosemarie, 67.

They had four daughters apart from Elisabeth — named Rosemarie, Ulrike, Gabriele and Doris — and two sons, Josef Jnr and Harald.

I generally consider The Sun to be unworthy of use as toliet paper, so take this as you will.

Hain · 05-01-2008, 11:26 AM

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If she isn't involved, then she has to be one of the dumbest people ever to walk the earth.

My thoughts exactly.

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now excuse me, while i go and hate people a little more.

Stories like these make me start to drink a little earlier everyday. Cheers.

What is there to talk about other than what a twisted monster this man was? Maybe they will come out with a report on what made him become this demon.

highthief · 05-01-2008, 12:02 PM

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I was hesitant to post this earlier, but Jinn gives me a good segueway. The Sun's versions of events.

I generally consider The Sun to be unworthy of use as toliet paper, so take this as you will.

Well, yeah, the Sun is absolute trash and I'm going to have to bathe my eyes in bleach and say a few Hail Mary's for reading that, but on a connected issue, the girl who had been kidnapped in Austria about 10 years ago and was released in the last couple of years gave an interview about the family and said words to the effect of "they might have been better off had we not found them" and the interviewer was shocked to hear her say that. But she knows something of such isolation and it is obvious these children will never adjust to the outside world in a normal way.

The_Jazz · 05-01-2008, 12:11 PM

highthief - that's very interesting. Can you imagine what you think of the greater world if all you ever saw of it came through the TV? Really, the kids underground had nothing to compare anything to. Captivity is normal for them.

I don't want to know too much more, but it's hard not to pay attention to this kind of thing.

Manuel Hong · 05-02-2008, 11:37 AM

Did anyone ever read Flowers in the Attic by VC Andrews?
This is fucked. It makes me wonder about the other children Fritz and his wife produced, as well as Elisabeth's other daughters that were moved upstairs. How many of these females were raped by him???!! He must've raped and abused his wife too. How did this animal ever get so twisted?? Who fucked HIM up?
Truly, this is so unbelievably horrible, I wish I never heard it.

Strange Famous · 05-02-2008, 11:53 AM

The place I work has an Austrian sister company... the impact that this story has had on ordinary Austrian people is astonishing... it is almost a national calamity for them.

canuckguy · 05-02-2008, 02:29 PM

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Did anyone ever read Flowers in the Attic by VC Andrews?
This is fucked. It makes me wonder about the other children Fritz and his wife produced, as well as Elisabeth's other daughters that were moved upstairs. How many of these females were raped by him???!! He must've raped and abused his wife too. How did this animal ever get so twisted?? Who fucked HIM up?
Truly, this is so unbelievably horrible, I wish I never heard it.

I have, great book. Very disturbing.

I have been following this story online since it broke. I hope to see pictures or have some understanding of how thick the floor was because how the fuck did the wife not hear this? I have to give her the benefit of the doubt, but damn dumbest person alive?

I don't believe in god/devil, but sometimes i wish there was one so that people like this could get there just punishment instead of the quick death or life time in jail he'll get.

highthief · 05-02-2008, 03:16 PM

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highthief - that's very interesting. Can you imagine what you think of the greater world if all you ever saw of it came through the TV? Really, the kids underground had nothing to compare anything to. Captivity is normal for them.

I don't want to know too much more, but it's hard not to pay attention to this kind of thing.

Yeah, it's not so far off the idea of the feral child, one raised with limited human contact in a wild environment, except in this case the environment is a small underground bunker that was occasionally visited when Grandpa wanted to rape someone or dispose of a body.

It's about as screwed up as one can imagine.

Not as uncommon a situation as you might think. Scrolling through the archives, it seems this sort of thing happens once in a while.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...58-663,00.html

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A FRENCH woman who was tortured and raped by her adoptive father for 28 years and has six children by him wants to be friends with an Austrian held captive for decades by her father.

Lydia Gouardo, 45, spoke out about her case yesterday after the Austrian woman's plight became public this week with the arrest of her father.

"I would like her to be my friend. I (would) feel less alone," Ms Gouardo said of Elisabeth Fritzl in an interview with Le Parisien newspaper.

"Maybe there are others like that, in villages, where people close their shutters."

Ms Gouardo, who lives in a village 60km east of Paris, began a rebirth with the death of her adoptive father in 1999.

Raymond Gouardo was not her biological father but her legal father since she was three years old, her lawyer said.

He began raping her when she was 10, according to her lawyer, Alain Mikowski.

Her stepmother was aware of his crimes.

She was convicted in a closed-door trial before an appeals court this month for non-denunciation of a crime, and given a four-year suspended prison sentence, Mr Mikowski said.

He said there'd been a total breakdown of judicial, police and social services systems.

Ms Gouardo, who never attended school and is illiterate, says she was tortured by her father but not locked up.

She says she fled the family home several times while she was a minor, but police kept bringing her back. "I was afraid of contact with the outside. What my father did, I thought it was normal," she told Le Parisien. "I only ran away when he hit too hard."

Her children were born between 1982 and 1993. She still lives in the family house and has a companion with whom she had two other children.

"It's a real scandal. If there had been no Austrian affair, no one would be talking," Mr Mikowski said.

Yesterday Austrian woman Natascha Kampusch, who was held captive by a kidnapper for more than eight years, donated 25,000 ($42,000) to the woman and children at the centre of the latest Austrian case.

And another case in Austria. Making me rethink plans to go to Vienna one day!

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...1-2703,00.html

05-01-2008, 03:14 AM	#2 (permalink)
jewels Eponymous Location: Central Central Florida	I heard that one last week. That's some freaky, scary shit. What amazes me is that co-workers are commenting that they're glad it didn't happen here (in the US), as if somehow that made us better? __________________ We are always more anxious to be distinguished for a talent which we do not possess, than to be praised for the fifteen which we do possess. Mark Twain

05-01-2008, 03:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
Daniel_ Evil Priest: The Devil Made Me Do It! Location: Southern England	Nasty story. Could we move this thread from "FotNet" to "general discussion"? This has been running in the European press since it broke last week, and it's grim indeed. The worst of it, is that it's the second story that's come to light in the past year (the other beign the 10 y.o. girl kidnapped and held in a basement by a non-family member). The more I hear about the story the odder it gets. The man kept his daugher locked in a basement and got her pregnant six times (once with twins). Three kids were "left on the doorstep" and brought up by him and his wife. One died young and was burned in the incinerator. Three were kept in the basement and never saw light of day. His wife claims not to know anythig about it. It only came to light when he brought the eldest child out of the basement for medical attention. This was his eldest grand/daughter. It's not been announced what was wring with her, but some of the rumours I hear was that it was maybe that he'd got her pregnant too, and she was not doing well. If true (and it is wild speculation) this would mean that he was father, grandfather, and great grandfather to the foetus. Apparently Police are investigating the disappearance of a young woman nearby to his other property several years ago also. __________________ ╔═════════════════════════════════════════╗ Overhead, the Albatross hangs motionless upon the air, And deep beneath the rolling waves, In labyrinths of Coral Caves, The Echo of a distant time Comes willowing across the sand; And everthing is Green and Submarine ╚═════════════════════════════════════════╝

05-01-2008, 04:05 AM	#4 (permalink)
lotsofmagnets Upright Location: reykjavík, iceland	she gave birth 7 (seven) times in the cellar either with or without her father´s help? strange to say the least. but yeah, this story broke here in iceland already nearly a week ago __________________ mother nature made the aeroplane, and the submarine sandwich, with the steady hands and dead eye of a remarkable sculptor. she shed her mountain turning training wheels, for the convenience of the moving sidewalk, that delivers the magnetic monkey children through the mouth of impossible calendar clock, into the devil's manhole cauldron. physics of a bicycle, isn't it remarkable?

05-01-2008, 04:37 AM	#6 (permalink)
ÐiGiRed Crazy Location: Deliveranceville, Texas	Heard about this a few days ago, it's horrible. I still don't get how his wife never found out about it until now. I mean, how could he have kept something that big a secret for so long..? Just when you think you've heard of everything... __________________ Don't drink and park, accidents in cars cause people.

05-01-2008, 05:27 AM	#7 (permalink)
highthief Junkie Location: Ontario, Canada	Must be something in the Austrian water - that's the second such case in the last couple of years over there. __________________ Si vis pacem parabellum.

05-01-2008, 05:47 AM	#8 (permalink)
blahblah454 Let's put a smile on that face Location: On the road...	That is absolutely frightening to know that there is people that messed up in the world. I sure hope that the kids are going to be okay, they are still so young, and yet would be so traumatized. Not to mention that there grandfather is also their father. This is really a scary story.

05-01-2008, 06:10 AM	#9 (permalink)
Slims Eccentric insomniac Location: North Carolina	There is absolutely no way the wife didn't know. How would you not notice the giant security door where your basement door used to be? In every house I have been in you can hear the toilet flush from anywhere in the house. What about the screams of a woman giving birth, let alone yelling for help? Who would let their spouse install a lock on the basement door, and then inexplicably spend long hours in the basement with no explanation? If she isn't involved, then she has to be one of the dumbest people ever to walk the earth. __________________ "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Seven Pillars of Wisdom, T.E. Lawrence

05-01-2008, 07:11 AM	#11 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	It seems to be coming out that he ruled with an iron hand, and that she (and the lodgers they had) were strictly forbidden from entering the basement and interrupting his "work" (drafting plans for machines).. There's a lot that can be done with physical and verbal intimidation, especially to someone who doesn't think they can get / deserve better. __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

05-01-2008, 08:45 AM	#12 (permalink)
genuinegirly Eat your vegetables Super Moderator Location: Arabidopsis-ville	This is very sad. I don't understand how the wife just didn't know? Denial can do incredible things. Thank goodness one of the girls went to the hospital - would have taken much longer for them to catch on otherwise. How difficult must this be for the daughter who has been locked in a cellar all these years. __________________ "Sometimes I have to remember that things are brought to me for a reason, either for my own lessons or for the benefit of others." Cynthetiq "violence is no more or less real than non-violence." roachboy

05-01-2008, 10:53 AM	#13 (permalink)
SSJTWIZTA Master Thief. Master Criminal. Masturbator. Location: Windiwana	what...the...fuck just when you think a news story breaks that involves the biggest creep ever, another comes and tops it. im seriously speechless about this, im surprised i could write this much. now excuse me, while i go and hate people a little more. __________________ First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the communists and I did not speak out because I was not a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for me And there was no one left to speak out for me. -Pastor Martin Niemoller

05-01-2008, 10:57 AM	#14 (permalink)
Punk.of.Ages Forming Location: ....a state of pure inebriation.	What a horrible situation. All those lives ruined because of one man's twisted mind. I can't even imagine what it would be like to be born into a room, and for my whole life that room is all the world I know. Then, one day you come out into the unlimited space of the real world. Wow. __________________ "The fact is that censorship always defeats its own purpose, for it creates, in the end, the kind of society that is incapable of exercising real discretion..." - Henry Steel Commager "Punk rock music is great music played by really bad, drunk musicians." -Fat Mike

05-01-2008, 11:03 AM	#15 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	Turns out they had a TV, which at least gave them some of a view of the outside world.. __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

05-01-2008, 12:11 PM	#19 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	highthief - that's very interesting. Can you imagine what you think of the greater world if all you ever saw of it came through the TV? Really, the kids underground had nothing to compare anything to. Captivity is normal for them. I don't want to know too much more, but it's hard not to pay attention to this kind of thing. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

05-02-2008, 11:37 AM	#20 (permalink)
Manuel Hong Addict Location: Land of the puny, wimpy states	Did anyone ever read Flowers in the Attic by VC Andrews? This is fucked. It makes me wonder about the other children Fritz and his wife produced, as well as Elisabeth's other daughters that were moved upstairs. How many of these females were raped by him???!! He must've raped and abused his wife too. How did this animal ever get so twisted?? Who fucked HIM up? Truly, this is so unbelievably horrible, I wish I never heard it. __________________ Believe nothing, even if I tell it to you, unless it meets with your own good common sense and experience. - Siddhartha Gautama (The Buddha)

05-02-2008, 11:53 AM	#21 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	The place I work has an Austrian sister company... the impact that this story has had on ordinary Austrian people is astonishing... it is almost a national calamity for them. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas