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I'm not asking to be the instructor, just that people be properly trained before someone gives them a weapon that can so easily kill. |
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02-18-2008, 12:50 PM | #162 (permalink) | |
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02-18-2008, 12:52 PM | #163 (permalink) | ||
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02-18-2008, 12:56 PM | #164 (permalink) | |
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2 - Given what was said earlier, I hope firearms licenses require more than that. |
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02-18-2008, 01:02 PM | #165 (permalink) | ||
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http://www.frontsight.com/ These programs are very successful and I would imagine that requiring someone to take a basic firearms safety and training program before issuing them such dangerous weapons would be more than prudent, it would be downright responsible. |
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1. They don't like/carry guns themselves so they want to make it as difficult as possible for everyone else to carry them 2. they want some sort of 'feel good' insurance policy in the head to help them make it through the day thinking 'if someone is carrying a gun, they at least know how to use it. nothing more, nothing less. Quote:
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02-18-2008, 01:31 PM | #167 (permalink) | ||
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02-18-2008, 01:32 PM | #168 (permalink) | ||
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Don't you guys ever get tired of the gun control debate?... seriously. Don't make me insert another abaya_suddeth photo in here to lighten things up!! (DK, I don't know if you saw the first one in Playground, but it was a hit).
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Hope we can get this thread of the very unenlightening merry-go-round that it's currently on...
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02-18-2008, 01:46 PM | #169 (permalink) | ||
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02-18-2008, 01:53 PM | #170 (permalink) | |
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Enough said. We shall see this spring when the USSC rules on the case.
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02-18-2008, 01:56 PM | #171 (permalink) | |
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02-18-2008, 02:07 PM | #172 (permalink) | |
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02-18-2008, 02:15 PM | #173 (permalink) | ||
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I'll illustrate each of our philosophies using the travesty in the OP as an example. DK's world: A gunman who was easily able to get a hold of guns despite the fact he may have had warning signs as to mental illness opens fire in a school. Several armed students return fire. The gunman is killed, and one of the students who pulled a gun to respond is killed, and another injured. Before the armed students returned fire, the madman was still able to kill a half a dozen students and injure an additional sixteen. Willravel's world: A potential gunman applies for a gun license, but is turned down due to a history of emotional problems. He attempts to get a gun illegally, but fails. No one is injured and no one dies. Quote:
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02-18-2008, 02:16 PM | #174 (permalink) | |
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/back to The Usual Gun Control Debating Thread...
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02-18-2008, 02:23 PM | #175 (permalink) | ||
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02-18-2008, 02:31 PM | #176 (permalink) | ||
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02-18-2008, 03:13 PM | #177 (permalink) |
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Ah... The obligatory gun control argument.
It's always nice to note that people kill people. It'd be just as easy to mow plow into a large crowd of people with a car as it would to be to open fire on a group of people (Actually, it'd be easier).
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@ Willravel: While your way seems squeaky clean, dksuddeth is right, and ties back to my concerns in the OP. If it were not for guns, the killer would make or buy explosives. Guns are only tools. Just like bombs. Just like screwdrivers. |
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02-18-2008, 03:31 PM | #179 (permalink) | |
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Note that the NIU shooter, the VA Tech shooter, and the CO Springs shooter all obtained their guns legally. Heaven forbid we make sanity a requirement for legal gun ownership (like it is for a driver's license). |
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02-18-2008, 03:56 PM | #180 (permalink) | |
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02-18-2008, 04:00 PM | #181 (permalink) | |
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02-18-2008, 04:13 PM | #182 (permalink) | |
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02-18-2008, 04:32 PM | #184 (permalink) | |
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Does anyone else think that maybe anti-depressants are actually the problem? In almost every case of these mass shootings and attempted mass shootings or weird stabbing 75 times or the mother drowning her kids and what not, it seems the person was on anti-depressants then abrubtly stops taking them. After reading about these drugs in my opinion they are extremely over prescribed. Plus the whole system seems to reward doctors and the people taking these pills (like the happy pill commercials on tv). These drugs should really only be given to the extremely mentally ill schizophrenic or manic depressive type people. Even on the labels now they say things like 'increases suicidal tendencies.' The doctors should be telling people to get more sunshine and exercise and eating correctly rather than prescribing these pills. My understanding some people taking them start to have diminishing returns and have to up the dose to get the good feeling. Then some decide to stop taking them for one reason or another. Wouldn't that cause a day after exstasy type depression, except for weeks instead of a couple days. I guess that might cause someone to flip out on society. I admit I don't know a lot about anti-depressants, it's just a thought.
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02-18-2008, 04:39 PM | #185 (permalink) |
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No, I am glad that someone brings this back to sociocultural reasons this day's American generation is burning out. I have always felt that medication is over prescribed, whether it is for depression of ADHD. From what I have seen, people don't need it to function. Yes I have seen those that really really should stay on their medication... but I have seen parents that just a quick fix so they don't have to deal with their kid.
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02-18-2008, 05:54 PM | #186 (permalink) | |
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That is what my dad told me...when you take a shooting class isn't the main objective to shoot in the midsection? Or am I wrong? Thanks for confirming Cromp. |
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