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Couldn't of said it better myself. Being a student at a large university makes you wonder if maybe yours could be next. Although I've noticed most of these shootings don't take place in Texas and if they did...more than likely the shooter wouldn't get far. I'm certain there are students on the Texas Tech and Texas A&M campuses who carry and conceal their guns for instances just like this. The law says it's illegal for students to carry guns on campuses, but if someone comes on with one wiping everyone out I think a student with a gun taking out the gunman would be a thanked instead of punished. Although I'm sure there are tons of folks that would disagree with that option. James got his CHL...when I turn 21 I'd like to get mine. Planning to anyway. I also carry a knife on me everywhere I go, it's in my hand when I'm about to get into my car after my night classes. It's pretty messed up these shootings keep happening. I disagree that people need to ignore the war and focus on the homeland. The military can't force these kids not to run a muck, might as well stick to their objective. But that's just my opinion. (Please don't comment on my military comments) Quote:
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For example, I'm a female student living in a town home complex. If some man breaks into the house and attempts to either rape/and or kill my roommates and I, I plan to do all I can to survive and kill the bastard. They know what they're doing is wrong, how is it wrong to be prepared for such as instance? I see nothing wrong with having a gun ready in case it is necessary. James has his AR-15 and 45 ready to go by the bed in Houston, you better believe he wouldn't think twice about taking someone out if they broke in and threatened our personal safety. I enjoy shooting, I wish I had more time to go shooting with James but often when he goes I'm doing something else. My dad and I are going out to the gun range this weekend if there is time. You make it sound like every person carrying a gun in their house is a ticking time bomb which I think is a bunch of bull shit. Last edited by surferlove007; 02-17-2008 at 11:34 PM.. |
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What are the odds of a home invasion in your area? 1/600,000 like Illinois? 1/1,000,000 like Finland? The "if" in the sentence "If some man breaks into the house and attempts to either rape/and or kill my roommates and I" is a fantastic if. Quote:
The time bomb situation is a separate issue. That has to do with reasonable background checks including mental health history when someone applies to get a gun. That kind of thing could have very easily prevented the Virginia Tech shootings, as well as the shootings in the OP. It's common sense. |
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Sounds to me like you're very intent on shoving statistics into your arguments like they actually have any weight.
You can't force your anti-gun beliefs down on everyone who opposes them. And the odds of home invasion in my area are not that great however my argument was that having guns for certain situations should they arise is not a bad thing. I never mentioned Crompsin in my post, I mentioned that I enjoy recreational shooting when there is time. Not to mention ammo is expensive right now. Owning a gun is a choice, not an excuse. Let it go, you're not changing other folks minds, don't bother with mine either. I was just stating my opinion. |
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But just for the record, according to FBI stats, Texas ranks 14th in violent crime on a per capita basis Not that is relevant to the broader discussion. My original point was that the laws preventing persons with histories of mental illness from purchasing guns legally are not working.
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Yea I believe the border affects the statistics in a more negative connotation than the rest of the state. |
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There are other reasons, but trying to assign them to people would require more study. I couldn't really venture a guess as to why dk has so many guns without knowing him. I can tell you it's probably not about self defense, though. Last edited by Willravel; 02-18-2008 at 12:14 AM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost |
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I am handy with an aluminum bat. Is keeping a bat behind my door illogical? I lived in a quiet neighborhood, until one year houses, cars, garages, everything was getting broken into, robbed, vandalized... The fact that statistics say one is safe doesn't change the fact that outliers occur. With people, you often see one bad thing leads to another. Why? Because people being nice does not get noticed Last edited by Hain; 02-18-2008 at 12:24 AM.. |
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As for convenience... shouldn't we be worried when it's convenient to get and have a gun? I was almost run off the street coming back from visiting my dad because some idiot thought I cut him off. His Chevy Silverado went from being transportation to being a weapon in an instant and he used it to attack an innocent person. If it wasn't for my Eibach coil springs and Tokico shocks, I may not had had the maneuverability to avoid him and could be dead. My point is it's not easy to get a drivers license. You actually do have to know how to drive. Still, this asshole or psycho managed to get a license despite the fact that he was prone to violent road rage. If this can happen with a seemingly normal person in a car, what's to stop a seemingly normal person with a 9mm in his glove compartment or a shotgun in his house? I can drive defensively and make sure my car is limber and I am a good driver to avoid assholes like I did tonight. How can I make myself bulletproof? And why do some people seem to think that also having a gun somehow makes one safe? |
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By convenience I mean: convenience in taking steps towards the goal. Walking down the sidewalk or avoiding all sorts of certain foods and finding all the alternatives is a hassle. One just buys the gun, and one feels safer. It doesn't make it so like I have pointed out. Yes there should be a stricter additional process before acquiring guns: training, maintaining, safety regulations... when that will happen... doubtful in my lifetime. Last edited by Hain; 02-18-2008 at 01:23 AM.. Reason: there their they're |
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My wife and sister both graduated from NIU, this one hits a bit close to home.
There are a large group of people that look at this incident and think to themselves "Damn, there are too many guns in this country and they are too easy to obtain". There is another group that thinks "Damn, if only there were more guns, these folk could have defended themselves". There really isn't any middle ground, nor is there room for compromise, yet that is what has to happen. |
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1) The risk of owning the weapon 2) The unlikeliness of needing it That's my point. Every day 5 children under 19 die because of an accidental shooting or suicide by gun. Look up accidental shooting stats, they're everywhere. Then look up how rare opportunities for using your gun in self defense are. Quote:
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Why doesn't the media highlight cases where CCW people saved lives?
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Not sure why being an ex-cop or a designated 'guard' makes a damn bit of difference. The fact that she had a CCW, a level head, and a gun is what made the difference. This is a case for CCW.
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This kind of ignorance is perpetuated by non-gunners and the media. "Oh, just shoot out a leg. Shoot the gun out of his hand. It's easy." Complete hogwash. ... You use a firearm when there is no other option of force available. It is the absolute last resort after harsh language and other physical implements fail. When you pull the trigger on a firearm that is pointed at someone else...your intent is to destroy them. You shoot to kill, you don't shoot to wound. You focus your front sight over the bad guy's sternum (center mass) and squeeze in short successions until he goes down. This is both a philosophical and legal principle. Regardless of the outcome of your shot, the intent is, was, and should always be to kill. If you have to unholster a firearm and point it at someone because of a life-threatening situation (the only viable reason)... you should be in the mindset that you are going to shoot your weapon with the purpose of killing them. There is no wounding, there is no grazing... the righteous use of firearms goes: "I am defending my life by taking yours." Serious shit. We don't have any Star Trek "Set phasers to stun!" technology yet. Firearms are lethal weapons and should be treated as such. Last edited by Plan9; 02-18-2008 at 10:56 AM.. |
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Either don't use the gun at all... or use it for what it was designed to do. That sounds pretty sane to me. |
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Training? I believe everyone should be trained to use weapons, just not mandated training. If you don't want to train or own a gun, by all means don't. Just don't presume to tell me how to be responsible with a weapon when you don't even own one.
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No law enforcement agency in the nation, that I know of, trains it's officers to shoot to wound. I know that's not what I was trained to do. If you draw your weapon you'd better have a damn good reason. If you discharge it you do so to permanently stop someone. They train that way for a reason.
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The point is that organized, trained security stopped the gunman. Not a random CCW. I have no doubt that someone can come up with a case where random CCW actually stopped violence, but this isn't it. |
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You can spin it however you want, but a security guard ex-cop with no CCW wouldn't of done jack shit. This same lady in a 'gun free' zone would of been another helpless bystander. Another thing I don't understand is 'random CCW'. What is random about deciding to walk around with a loaded gun in the case that you may need to use it to protect yourself or stop a mass shooting. There is nothing 'random' about a CCW license.
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Like others have said, to really spark something in the media, it would have to be a "random" CCW. This story does not qualify. That is my opinion. |
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"Gun free zone" applies to random CCW, not police or private security. For what it's worth, the church in question is marked as a gun free zone. Obviously, private (volunteer) security was able to function. |
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2 - Who says everyone that has a gun has enough experience to use it properly? Will's comment does seem directed to you, but lets step back and consider everyone that now can get a gun. Crazies? Why they want to take out others? Anyone? Anyone? |
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