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The Anonymous war on Scientology hits the streets
This is here to for people who didn't see the video in Found on the Net, or want more info. If you don't already know what I'm talking about from the title, read this article for the back story. http://www.partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology
In short, "Anonymous," as users of the imageboard 4chan call themselves (because almost all users simply use the name "Anonymous" when they post rather than identifying themselves,) has declared war on the Church of Scientology. Anonymous has grown to include people from all over the Internet for this cause because large numbers of people want to spread the word that the Church of Scientology is a dangerous cult and criminal organization that extorts money from people, lies to them to draw them in, destroys families, works to destroy the lives of those who oppose them, and are responsible for a number of deaths of Church members. It began with the leak of the video of Tom Cruise praising Scientology with the Mission Impossible music playing in the background. When the CoS claimed copyright violations and forced most sites to remove the video through legal threats, 4chan users, under the guise of ebaum's world users, launched a denial of service attack against the Church and began a campaign of harassment. On Feb. 10, anonymous protests will be taking place across the world at CoS buildings. They have already begun in Australia http://www.digg.com/world_news/Hundr...otest_Feb_10th (please Digg this story to support the cause) At least one fake news story, believed to have been posted by the CoS' Office of Special Affairs, has surfaced claiming to show protesters in Sydney being arrested for violence. The pictures are from a demonstration in Houston, Texas several years ago. This is just scratching the surface of what the CoS will do to discredit its opponents. Opponents of Scientology used to be declared "fair game," which is pretty much what it sounds like. These days, they're labeled "Suppressive Persons" http://www.xenu.net/fairgame-e.html If you can go to a demonstration, wear a mask, don't carry anything that can identify you or where you're from, park far away and walk or take public transportation to the protest, throw away any bus or train tickets that can help someone find out where you came from, and don't take the mask off or return to your car or anywhere that can help identify you until you are absolutely positive you have not been followed. The CoS is known to follow and harass "suppressive persons," tell lies to get them fired from their jobs, distribute flyers and letters in neighborhoods accusing them of being rapists, child molesters, etc. Don't risk it with these nutcases. Here are a few pictures of the start of the protest. Scroll down to the post with two pics. http://forums.somethingawful.com/sho...readid=2767497 See the guy in the first picture on the right edge next to the white sign? He's a CoS plant in the crowd radioing information back to the building about the protesters. This is why you have to be anonymous. The timeline (includes current information): http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/anon_v_scieno.html Pictures of the Sydney protest: http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewtopic.php?t=1588 edit: Sydney now has around 250 people demonstrating. double edit: news coverage http://www.news.com.au/technology/st...014239,00.html edit3: if you're willing to wade through the idiocy of 4chan memes, this page is updated faster than anything else http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com...y_-_200_Attend edit4: more pictures, but the site has been goonrushed by SA http://www.ruhe.com.au/scientologyprotest/ Information on Scientology: Operation Clambake: www.xenu.net Disturbing Scientology Facts: http://www.yayboo.com/Religion/Most_...entology_Facts |
/B (Anon) is a pit of retards. Their levels of depravity are gobsmacking. We'll see what happens when an "Internet hate machine" clashes with a solid organization that has deep pockets, lawyers, and tax exempt status. Will cries of religious persecution fall on deaf ears or will the church try to take care of this situation quietly?
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I think we should sic the Westboro Baptist Church after them. And I'm only half-joking.
Who else has the money, lawyers, and level of insanity needed to fight the Super Adventure Club? |
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If I'm wrong, at least the crimes of the CoS will be more well known. If not, maybe this will catch on and be a lasting thing. I've never been one for "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," but when you're going up against something so big and so bad, I can set aside differences. It's a bit personal for me, I was labeled a SP for a school newspaper article about the CoS and the Lisa McPherson case, so I have a personal grudge against them. I hope to be at the March 15 demonstration in NYC. |
One of Anon's sayings is:
"Anon never forgets" I give them a couple months before they forget, and resume fulltime postings of lolcat pictures. Not that scientology doesnt deserve any shit thrown their way, mind you. |
Here's a link to a better article in Newsweek: http://www.newsweek.com/id/109410
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If you go to a demonstration in SF DO NOT WEAR A MASK. It is illegal here and you can get arrested (I've seen it first hand). Wear a hat and large sunglasses, hood, etc.
Do not leave anything at the protest. Wear thick clothing. Bring gas masks. DO NOT TALK TO ANYONE FACE TO FACE. If you see someone trying to look at your face, look away. Look down. You cannot let them get pictures of your face. Most importantly: check your local laws concerning legal protest. SF is not the only place it's illegal to have a mask. |
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If you are in an area where it's illegal to wear a mask, wear a paper gas mask. Those aren't illegal anywhere.
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I wish I could wear an alien mask like that....
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On a slightly tangential note, I remember hearing once that Scientology arose out of a bet between L Ron Hubbard and Robert A Heinlein. The deal was that they'd both found a church and the individual who was able to attract the most followers would win. As a result Hubbard wrote Dianetics and Heinlein wrote Stranger in a Strange Land, but when the time came to found a church based on his work, Heinlein refused to go through with it (being the moral paragon of our tale). Hubbard, with visions of Scrooge McDuck-esque piles of cash dancing through his head, had no such compunctions.
I have a feeling that it's one of those stories that isn't true but should be. Especially since I'll probably be labeled SP for relating it. (expecting the burly scientologist men to knock on my door any minute now...) |
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Reminder: this is a PEACEFUL PROTEST. When in doubt, ask "What Would Gandhi Do?" Stop agitators, as they may be CoS plants.
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The CoS does many things that I find distasteful (the auditing, suing or threatening to sue naysayers, Lisa MacPherson, the cult of celebrity), and yet...
I have a sister and brother-in-law who are CoS members... |
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Orgies? Damn... atheism needs more of that.
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Anyway, that story seems entirely plausible. Heinlein wrote some strange stuff (Time Enough For Love), but he wasn't nearly as cracked as Hubbard. |
Video from London plus pictures. There were over 300 people at the peak. Unfortunately, they're not following Australia's example and have been shouting 4chan memes and chanting "Xenu" all day instead of doing something productive.
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Ah yes, I remember seeing a flier posted outside of my statistics class on Friday, trying to recruit people to attend their demonstration against a local CoS.
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I wonder if there will be any protests in Downtown Clearwater. It's pretty much been overrun by Scientologists. Used to be such a nice area, now all you see is robots walking around.
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Haha awesome. I won't be participating but I wish them the best of luck. These Scientology fucks have ruined Clearwater.
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Today was a huge success with the exception of Chicago and Vienna, which were canceled because of permit issues. Two Scientologists were arrested at separate protests for attempting to unmask demonstrators, and the only injuries were two people in Cleveland, Ohio who were hurt when a city bus driving next to the sidewalk had an engine cover latch fail. When the cover sprung up, the bus was driving at about 20 mph, and when it hits them one suffered cuts to the stomach and the other had a broken wrist.
Passersby seemed receptive to protesters messages and most were glad to take flyers and learn more. It's a very encouraging success, and I look forward to participating the March 15 event. |
Anon = Morons
Their 'War on Scientology' has gotten to the point of absurd. |
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I was gone for awhile, glad to see you still love throwing around info without backing though. If you have a better way please feel free to let us know. Anon is winning, and has been for awhile now. The one thing scifags hate the most is attention toward their cult attributes, which they are getting plenty of at this point. Next protest will be the ides of march, future steps include mass email/snailmail/calls/letters to state representatives about the shady ass lawsuits and ways they got their tax exemption. At this point, it's a matter of sticking to the guns, Anon can't lose, How do you beat a regenerative invisible monster? "Internet Hate Machine" You can call it that if you want. That shit is so old. Most people I hope have enough sense to see it as "young people standing up for what they believe in" |
Here is an account of the Toronto protests from a Toronto blog:
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Church members engaged in a campaign (Operation Snow White) to steal and destroy records about the church from government agencies, and enough evidence of this was gathered to convict church members of that criminal activity. What is so absurd about fighting against this organization? |
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Anywho, no one outside of Anon and their supporters care about these "raids" (aka, the majority of people). If Anon wants to 'change the world', they can start by protesting something meaningful-- Like run away government. But anything to protest the idea of a religion, right? |
I love those masks from Toronto.
Well not the transformers one... |
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I think they look neat as well... Although I doubt a single Anon has the vigor, verve, and voracity of V |
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Apparently the Clearwater protest went pretty well. Around 250+ people showed up, though I wasn't one of them.
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The only adjudication is avengement; a vendetta, for the account for the atrocities administered on the abandoned and abused. You may call us Anonymous. |
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i think CoS is a bunch of douchebags, but i'm not going to risk my or my family's well being in order to participate in a protest.
sorry, i'm selfish that way |
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I'm not particularly afraid of the Church of Scientology. Maybe I should be, but it seems to me that that's sort of what they're going for. The whole intimidation campaign deal is about making people too afraid to speak out against them, so that they can basically do whatever they want. Unfortunately for them, there's always going to be people like me who are too stupid to be scared. I didn't participate in the protests, but that was because by the time I'd heard about them it was too late. I hate to use the cliche, but dude, if you let these guys tell you what you can or can't do then the terrorists win. Oh yeah, I totally just called CoS terrorists. (Still waiting on the scientologist muscle to come break my kneecaps) |
Their HQ is in Downtown Clearwater where they're constructing their 70 million dollar building. Seriously, all you see walking around are robots wearing khakis and dress shirts. You have to see them every time you want to go to the beach.
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As I said earlier (Which you quoted but somehow ignored) there are MUCH bigger 'fish to fry' that Anon absolutely refuses to go after with the same fervor that they attack the CoS with (It's like ignoring the guy who's engaging in grand theft auto to harass the guy who engages in petty theft). In fact, you don't even hear so much of a peep from Anon regarding any non-CoS issues. These 'protests', as you want to call them, are nothing more than a thinly veiled excuse to attack a set of religious beliefs and only reinforces the notion that Anon is attacking Scientology because, well, it's Scientology. *Shrugs* But, you know, I suppose it's okay for people to harass another group of people just so long as the group dong the harassing isn't the WBC, right? |
*the point*
*Infinite_Loser's Head* /whoooooosh |
WARNING: I bring nothing to this conversation.
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the point = you cannot determine when or where people will be motivated. the point = can not denegrate the efforts of people who are trying to promote positive change, regardless of how many other things need changing
If you want to change those things, go start your own mass internet movement. If you cannot see the difference between WBC & Co$ then you clearly do not understand the reason Anon is doing what they're doing. Free religion. Scientology is not free. They support the free and equal dissemination of "Church" doctrine so that people do not need to sink vast sums of money and be brainwashed in the process to get to what the "Church" is all about. |
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The problem isn't so much what's being done, but who's doing it. Seeing as how most of society currently views Scientologists as crazy and most religions consider Scientology a dangerous cult, any reason to attack Scientology is A-Okay (Apparently). The fact is that you don't define what a religion is or what it constitutes. Because it's practices do not conform to whatever definition you want to place doesn't mean it needs to change. Still, it amazes me just how many atheists suddenly care about the way the CoS chooses to run it's religion. It perplexes me. (Oh, and TFP really needs sarcasm tags as that doesn't go over well on the internet.) |
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And yes, yes, TFP does need Sarcasm tags... for sure. ---Not joking, I would greatly benefit from them. |
Doesn't bother me. If that's the way the CoS chooses to run it's religion, then more power to them.
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You mean"Props to them," that they sucker people in while still holding out the hefty collection plate?
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The reality is that you have no idea what you're talking about. And that bear picture in your avatar gives me the creeps. |
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Nobody takes issue with the beliefs of Scientology as a religion. The Free Zone guys are free to believe in it if they want; I think it's silly to say the least, but if that's your bag then by all means. The Church, on the other hand, routinely engages in practices that are, eh.. somewhat shady, we'll say. The highly touted examples are Operation Snow White and Operation Freak Out, but it goes way beyond that. People who get labeled SP are regarded by the Church and it's members as sub-human. Homes get picketed, employers get called and fed false information. Lies are spread. CoS attempts to strong-arm anyone who calls their practices into question. Frankly, I wouldn't have a problem with the Church taking people's money if that's all they did. You think the path to enlightenment costs $400 000 and can be given to you by a guy who wrote crappy science fiction, then go ahead and spend your cash. I'll keep mine, thanks. What bothers me is how much the Church works against people who say anything negative about them, how they engage in shady or outright illegal practices in an attempt to intimidate people who don't agree with them and how they get away with it so often. It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with an organization that bullies, slanders and extorts anyone who they deem to be against them. If Microsoft handed out libelous leaflets condemning Linus Torvalds, everyone would be up in arms; but because the Church of Scientology hides behind the religious excuse they can get a free pass and often avoid close scrutiny. Or at least they could in the past. With the internet being so widespread now information like that becomes exceedingly difficult to suppress and now people are learning exactly what CoS is up to. And a lot of people are very, very angry. The concept of paying for enlightenment isn't new. Tithing still exists in some Christian sects today, although I don't think any of them enforce as strictly as they used to. A collection plate (a feature of every Christian sect, from what I've seen) is a form of paying for enlightenment. This is not the issue. All joking aside, even doing this, speaking out against CoS on a public forum, carries a risk with it (albeit a small one). The people holding these protests aren't wearing masks because they look cool. It's because attending one of these rallies carries a very real risk of being identified, labeled SP and subsequently harassed by the Church of Scientology. Those Free Zone Scientologists I mentioned above? They get the same treatment, because the Church of Scientology wants the general population to see them as synonymous with belief in Scientology. That's important for them, so that they can continue to make claims of religious suppression. To use your example above, should we ignore the guy who engages in petty theft just because some people commit grand theft auto? Anon goes after the target they have the ability to affect. |
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Ad multos annos...cheers |
anon should have harrassed bush, I would have been more entertained.
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Claiming this war is on the religion itself is pretty weak.
Sometimes though, when I see people who sit back and claim "it doesnt hurt ME, so why bother?" or just stepping aside all together and somehow justifying injustices to themselves, a teeny little part of me hopes it DOES happen to them, and they will understand why cowardice and apathy are never the best course of action against a wrong. Quote:
It's more like "Props to them" that they financially destroy most of its members, up to the point of suicide in far too many cases, been the direct cause of far too many of its members deaths, and actually SUPPORTS the destruction of anyone who speaks against them.... up to the point of killing them. I would venture to guess. Furthermore, even using the term "Collection plate" is not appropriate, that implies you donate, donating would mean you aren't forced to pay more than 300,000 dollars to learn about the religion. Last I heard, I can pick up a bible and learn exactly as much or more than even the highest ranking catholic priest in the world knows. (Where = bible replace = Koran = Torah = ANY religious scriptures) |
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No I understood, I wasn't trying to argue with you or anything. Just adding a little bit myself.
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I gotta say, after watching some of those protest videos, I was simply amazed. After all the slack Generation Y has gotten, it's about time they did something worthwhile.
And Infinite_Loser, if you truly believe their attack is against religion, you're brainwashed. This is a cult that is responsible for the single largest infiltration of the US Government in history. Their plan no doubt is world domination, and as absolutely asinine as that sounds, they've already succeeded in taking over a city and its police force. Do some homework before you criticize something. This isn't an attack on religion, because Scientology ISN'T a religion. It's a dangerous cult, read some of L. Ron's quotes and use some common sense and you'll be able to realize it's complete bullshit. This isn't an attack on anyone's beliefs, but the practices of this "church", such as their "fair game" policy, the fact that they charge $370,000 for enlightenment, their suppression of free speech by suing anyone who speaks out against them, and the fact that they separate people from their families through their "disconnect". (Clever on their part, as people are easier to turn into robots and will be less willing to leave without their family there to talk some sense into them) No, this is a war to help those who have been indoctrinated into Scientology, to help them see the truth, and to prevent Scientology from ruining even more lives. Google "Operation Freakout", and you'll see how sick Scientology is. Hell, after the 2/10 protests, their official response was that Anonymous is being lead by the German secret service and psychiatrists that are conspiring against them. I shit you not. Why are they picking on Germany? Because Germany refused to acknowledge Scientology as an official religion, and instead, labeled it as a cult. |
i'm not exactly sure what these protests accomplished. i'm pretty sure most of us know what the deal is with Scientology; there have been tons of specials and reports on the news, etc. are a bunch of guys in masks going to suddenly make CoS dissolve? is it going to start investigations? i'm sure a lot of CoS money is lining the pockets of law enforcement and government officials.
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BTW, they're expecting the March 15 protest to be at least 50% bigger than the Sunday protest. |
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*Shrugs* Oh, and since we're on the topic, you must REALLY hate the gospel of prosperity? Not this argument again... The difference between a cult and a religion is, well... There is no difference, aside from one word having a distinctly negative connotation to it. Belief systems are only labeled as cults when the society at large deems them dangerous to the status quo. It's nothing new, as nearly every religion has had to deal with the 'cult' status at one point in it's history. *Shrugs* Of course, this entire argument is moot. You happen to think Scientology is a cult while many world governments happen to disagree with you and define Scientology as a religion. I think it's safe to say that your personal beliefs are outweighed by the beliefs of the government under which you reside. Quote:
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion Now you know the difference. |
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I can do it too! WHEEEE! :thumbsup: |
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What irrefutable evidence would that be? It certainly isn't your opinion in your last post, that isn't really evidence, it's an opinion not fact. |
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It's not an opinion. It's a fact. |
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Unless you have evidence? |
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Cult of Christianity: A cult of Christianity is a group of people, which claiming to be Christian, embraces a particular doctrinal system taught by an individual leader, group of leaders, or organization, which (system) denies (either explicitly or implicitly) one or more of the central doctrines of the Christian faith as taught in the sixty-six books of the Bible. Religion of Christianity: Christianity is a monotheistic religion centered on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as recounted in the New Testament. Its followers, known as Christians, believe Jesus to be the Son of God and the Messiah (or Christ) prophesied in the Old Testament - which they share as part of its scriptures with Judaism and they see the New Testament as relating the "Gospel", the message revealed by Jesus. Clear enough? Or shall I draw you a picture? Quote:
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No, Will, you're not right. You need proof? I extend the question I asked to Silent Jay to yourself. Good luck with that, as you're going to need it. |
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All religions are stupid and dangerous to me to some degree.
Scientology is just extra stupid and extra dangerous (to its own members) and is predatory. The cosmic Jewish zombie is hard for me to swallow but at least there is some 5000 years of tradition behind it, and they no longer persecute me for giving up the religion. The whole Xenu thing isn't just science fiction its BAD science fiction, and has no good going for it beyond those who think just joining a group makes their miserable lives seem a bit better, and those profiting from them. There is a fine line between freedom of religion, and exploitation, these people cross it. |
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Why is it that atheists consistently know more about religion than theists? |
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I'm hoping you're not serious (Though I believe you are). You *do* realize why Christianity was labeled a "cult" by the Roman government, right? You *do* realize that Christianity wasn't able to throw off the "cult" moniker until 313 AD, right? You *do* realize that the First Council of Nicaea, whose purpose was to to create the first Christian Doctrine, wasn't held until 325 AD, right (Twelve years after the Roman ban on Christianity was lifted)? You *do* realize that the New Testament, as it is today, wasn't created until the Council of Trent in 1546, right? As we black folk say, "Nigga' please". Your distinction falls flat on it's face. The difference between a cult and a religion-- Societal views. That's it :) *Taken from one of the links Will provided* Quote:
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Moonies are a Christian cult. Catholics are a Christian religion.
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I'm just going to continue using the definition you so graciously provided.
That's because it's a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader. :) |
And yet, I love how you've completely ignored my post, because deep down you know it's right. Their goal is to "clean the world". To remove bad people from it; in other words, world domination by "cleaning the world" of those who oppose them. It's fucking sick.
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Cult or religion? Why does it matter?
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Cults don't get tax breaks, religions do. :p
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Alright, to move this little event right along, for the sake of argument, IL, let's say we were to concede your point that Scientology is a religion like any other. What then?
Is your whole problem with this that people have decided to take on them instead of militant Islam or something? Or that they've declared their opposition to one religion instead of all religion? Are people required to accept the existence of anything that exists simply because it exists and that creates some sort of first in time first in right quality that can't be challenged? Regardless of how we characterize it (cult, religion, whackos, masters of the universe and psychology), Scientology has a demonstrated history of dangerous, subversive activity. That doesn't mean that there aren't other groups who are equally or more dangerous and subversive, simply that this one is the one that this group of people has decided to take on and try to break down before it can do any more harm. I don't see why that's such a bad thing. |
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Apparently lost in the debate of why we should paricipate in Anonymous protests is what exactly is the endgame here? Is the goal to get current members to up and leave? To force them to lose their tax-exempt status? Issue a press release that says, "Okay, Anon, you got us, we're shutting our doors and closing up shop." I just don't see what specific goal Anonymous has in mind when they hold nationwide protests and leak embarrassing videos. |
I'm happy to see that people in my home town had better things to do with their time then stand out in the cold with a mask on...
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And severely weakened how? Loss of tax exemption status? Membership attrition so they don't have as much money? Bring a lawsuit that results in a loss of an extraordinary amount of money? I'm not seeing that. From where I'm typing this, I see an open-ended war. Is that really a good thing?
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Of course, I don't think the CoS releases new membership numbers, so we'll never really know if recruitment will ever be affected by this 'war' will we? |
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There is a difference between cult and religion. Religion gives you 9 points in scrabble, but cult only gives you 6. But since a 6 is merely an upside down 9, this is irrefutable evidence that the 2 are closely related. And that, my friends, is numerology, which is a belief in a mystical or esoteric relationship between numbers and physical objects or living things, therefore making it a religion........or a cult.....I forget witch.
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Is infinite_loser a scientologist? He hasn't even budged from his point A ever since he came into this thread.
I protested on February 10th. I didn't do it because Scilons believe that 75 million years ago the evil lord Xenu, emperor of a galactic quadrant, dumped aliens into earth volcanos to solve galactic overpopulation and then sealed them over with giant H-bombs where their spirits congregated into clusters and settled themselves into human bodies, where they stay now, waiting for the proper training to achieve superhuman powers. I did it because of stories like this, and this, and this. I did it for Lisa McPherson, and others who tragically lost their lives due to this Dangerous Cult's inhumane practices. I did it to help raise awareness of this Cult; so that the movement gains strength and actually causes change. I did it so that in the future more will not have to suffer, and those weak enough to be tricked into this bait and switch will have a chance to escape. I did it because I believe in free speech. It pisses me off to think that this cult is destroying people's lives because they spoke out against them. They are using my country's own laws, designed to protect an individuals rights, to instead frame, slander, and outright shatter someone's life- hiding behind a bloody wall of money culled from their victims. I did it because it is delicious schadenfreude. Because they must eat it, for they are stuck between a rock and a hard place- if they attack Anonymous, it will be reported; if they leave Anonymous alone, their followers will increase their doubts. Because there is no leader, they have no reference in which to stop this movement. Anonymous isn't a small internet website group anymore. Not even content to be contained on the internet anymore, on February 10th it crossed over to "the real world". This worldwide protest, containing over 9000 excited people, was organized spontaneously in less than a month. It's not an organization; it's a collective unconscious, a groupthink. A "Stand Alone Complex". Those Nine Thousand individuals are all aware it's not a one time deal. The movement is gaining momentum, not losing it. And the biggest difference between this and every other resistance campaign is this: Anonymous is having fun. It's not so much a protest as a meetup. People go hang out for a while, make fun of a few people, laugh, have a good time. It's a social event, you even get to dress up. And as a bonus there is a tiny mix of excitment and danger of a ninja scientologist following you around with a camera for a while. People had a blast this Feb 10th. They will come back again, and bring some friends too. They will post party invites around town and school. It's not a flash in the pan and Anonymous will shake the Scifag tree until something falls out. edit- wrote an essay on the last reply to the page :grumpy: ah well :P |
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