Nudist summer camp for teens?
 

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I don't have a problem with nudist camps, but not for teenagers for christs sake.
I just find it very fucked up. A ton of naked adults running around with even more naked teens. You can't tell me that some sick fucks aren't working there taking advantage of this.

We were active social nudists/naturists for many years.
Unbelievably perhaps, everything the AANR says is true.

Amazingly this group and the Naturist Society have created and sustain an alternative world-view within our society. Outside nudism, in the society at large, nudity is a sexual cesspool in many, perhaps most, public settings. Within the Nudist/Naturist commnunities, it is simply a natural part of being human.

I wouldn't expect anyone who has not experienced the AANR or Naturist events to understand how this could be possible. I know it sounds nearly incredible. This is one example where thinking about something without experiencing it loses all perspective. I think this is true about a lot of things.

let them do whatever they want.

i do have a problem w/ the min age of 11. bump it up to hmm 15 or so and i'm all cool w/ it.

btw, i'd love to be there

Well, since there is no sexuality besides that bestowed by nature, if you were to experience this, you'd see there is absolutely no need for age limits. If you visited a licensed well-run camp, the absence of any prurient sex issue would be immediately apparent.

You are probably still associating sexuality with naked human bodies. It doesn't relate. Prurient cultural rather than healthy natural sexuality arises because of repression, prurient context, and packaging.

I may be assuming too much from your last sentence, but I'd like to repeat that in the ways we commonly imagine sex - there is none at a nudist camp.

where was this shit at when i was a teen?

Wow. This is one instant were I agree 100% with Art. Its the catholic dogma the made the modern christian dogma that made america that made american morals talking. This all dates back to the days that nudity was seen as so bad that even simple tasks like taking a bath was sinfull. I see no problem with this camp or nudist ingeneral. Of course I also think that the age of consent should be lowered too.

as long as it's well monitored, then I'm cool with it.
alternative lifestyles are not harmful.

I think Art brings up a good point in that nudity is not simply in sexual form. In fact, one could even say that clothing yourself may cause lust and curiosity to be more prominent, because, if nudity is a common thing to you, it will stop standing out and the lust and/or desires will recede...

What better way to have teenagers go through that awkward stage of puberty that to shove them into a place full of naked males and females? Hormones sure won't be raging then!!

I personally think at that age, things like should be discouraged. I'm generally for the whole "do whatever the hell you want", but this just screams bad news.

pure awesomeness

Sure why not? Let it happen.Then on Saturday night they can all sit in a hall,eat Big Mac's and watch the latest Hollywood DVD while sitting in the buff. At least they will know that no one is packing a pistol.

I know what I'm doing next summer.

interesting, though they should make sure the kids going therea really are nudists

i dont have a problem with it... ill walk around my apartment naked untill lunchtime on the weekends... i'll have pants nearby in case someone knocks on the door... but i like being naked... and i think it could be pretty interesting to go to a nudist camp thing like that...

Actually, it sounds like a great relaxation place. Never went to a nudist colony or anything, but when clothes become optional, it has just got to be co awesome.

i have a question, if you're at a nudist camp, wont you have a hard-on 24/7? (or at least the time you're around people).

you have to release it sometime

Let me ask YOU something. When you walk around now do you have a hard on at all times? Why not? Are there not attractive females around you? (and if not then get out more often)

Of course when you DO get a hard on it would be much harder to hide (read Impossible)

I guess you have to be brought up around it to understand, but I find it amusing ages for the camp are 11-18, the supervisors are ages 19-25. Some of those 18 year olds are bound to be attractive to those older but still young supervisors.

but i dont really have hardon's when i looked at clothed attractive females.

but if it was those same attractive females naked, yes i'd have a hard on

Shit yesterday I was able to go until 10pm without getting dressed! :D

Hence the 1.5 supervisors per camper. I just volunteered for a school camp this spring and had eight 5th graders to supervise. I guess school camps just don't attract supervisors the same way.

Sure. But is that not true at the same camp just none nudist?


Well thats you. And you know you say that and it may be true but you also have to remember that, to you atleast, nudity is a taboo. And taboos are arousing.

I am not quite sure what you are trying to imply here. Either that all the counselors are perverts that all applyed to join there to see naked young things or maybe you are trying to to say the prehaps the camp itself is running some sort of mating service. At any rate the point is it serves no point to sit and guess about this one minute point of the camp. I DO find it odd that there are so many counselors mostly because camps try to make a profit and unless it is really expensive they wouldn't be able to pay that many counselors per camper. Of course, there ARE only 30 children at the camp. So 1.5 does just mean 45. Its possible because its so new and experimental they are just testing it out untill they try to become bigger. That is just a guess on my part but it is just as likely as any guess about anyones ill thoughts. More likely in my opinon.

As I stated earlier:

Prurient sexuality is a result of repressive contexts - it is not the natural state of humans to be as hypersexual as we are when we are inhabiting culturally encoded space. In the natural context sexuality is not the prominent or dominant human experience of nakedness.

Out of thousands of males I have seen at nudist camps I have never seen one with a hard on.

If you are still seeing it this way, you're not getting my point.

Art, I get your point, but I guess the reason I think it's messed up is because if I was naked and around a bunch of naked chics when I was 13-15 I'd have a 24 hour boner. I would've been jerking off 50 times a day. I guess I just can't separate naked as not being something sexual. I'm sure people can, but it's very difficult for me to understand.

Yeah, I understand how people can see someone naked and thinkg nothing of it.... Kinda wish I knew how that was. If i ever went to a place like that.. that first day. Yeah it'd be obvious it was my first day... heh. and i do mean the WHOLE day. But yeah, we simply have a hard time understanding because we have grown up to see that less clothes = sexy. Thus a nudist camp seems like a place where people can just do it on the beach.. heh (even though that isn't what it is.)

About the article.. I Think its fucking awesome (no pun intended).

ok (trying to be as mature as I can here), does intimate relations mean as much to nudists as it does to an average person? I mean if I saw my gf naked all the time I don't know if it would excite me as much as when I see her naked now.

I've never been to a nudist camp, but I have been to a nude beach with old girlfriends. Rest assured guys, no one is walking around with a hard-on. If you've never been to one, you won't understand that it's not a sex thing at all. I agree 100% with Art.

When I was fifteen or sixteen, I got hardons all the time, even without a pretty girl to look at. Often for no apparent reason. How do nudists handle that sort of thing? Do you just ignore it? Go somewhere else until it goes away?

Exactly, I guess in my first post maybe I didn't say exactly what I meant to say. We are talking about 19 year old guys being counselors for 18 year old NUDE chicks, now nature has to take over somewhere in there. How does one deal with a hard on when he is supposed to be 'counseling' a chick 1 year younger than him.


Edit: ah found BBtB talking about "is the same not found at non nudist camps"

Well you are right BBtB, but you are wrong too, in non nudist camps clothing hides the arousal, in nudists camps there is nothing to hide that.

I'd say don't knock nudism, 'till you try it.
I've only participated in the context of nude beach-going, but it was very clear- no sex of any kind was tolerated.
It was a fun, freeing experience, unlike any other I've had.

I like the idea of kids being comfortable in their own skin.

sorry I don't typically reply after a reply after my own post, but:

I get replied to by DoubleD, participated in a no sex nude expierence (which I imagine is common).

And she says "It was a fun, freeing expierence, unlike any other I"ve had."

Thats where I see some "difficulties', chicks can have an "expierence" and go unnoticed, yet guys can't even get a boner without being noticed.

Just somethign to consider folks. :)

-SNGX1275

As I recall, sus mentioned once at a large gathering that some guy had a hard on. I didn't see it but he just got over it since no one cared. I suppose you could sit down or use a towel wrap - Towels are always around, etc.

The preoccupation with this rare possibility for - what? embarrassment, I suppose - is being overplayed here.

It's clear you're not getting my point. The possibility that's being focused on here is a result of repressed prurient sexuality - which is not natural hormonal sexuality but culturally induced frisson. It takes about 2 minutes to get over that. After that, you'll feel like a real person rather than another culturally manipulated automaton.

To tell you the truth, this is probably one of the most significant threads we've hosted in a while. I know it's mind-boggling. And if we can make some progress through this, perhaps it will offer some real insight into how our cultural environment micromanages us - down to things that we consider "natural human responses".

This question is easily answered by doing a Google search for "nudism faq erection" .

Here's one of them:
"4.3. Gender-specific embarrassment
Naturists know that both erections and menstruation are normal, so don't be afraid that your body's natural occurrences will offend other naturists. An erection is embarrassing, but rare, and easy to hide - just grab a towel, roll over, or jump in the water. Most naturists won't even comment about it. (Don't fear the erection your first time - most men will tell you they were too nervous for it to even be possible!) Women may feel uncomfortable being nude during menstruation. No one will be offended if women choose to wear shorts etc. during these times."

If you take the time to read the rest of the page:

http://www.toledotanclub.com/FAQ.htm

and then do some research on the AANR (American Association for Nude Recreation) and The Naturist Society, you'll find many intriguing options for living more natural lives and for the possibility that sexuality can be healthy rather than prurient.

Perhaps this topic can give us some deeper understand that many of the things we consider natural are really just culturally induced.

I also don't see what the big deal is. Nudism has nothing to do with sex. It's about feeling the sun on your skin, feeling the wind in your back, and dammit... letting the goodies dangle free for a change. I'm not a nudist, but I'm pretty certain I understand what it's about.

And even if to some children it does turn out being sexual experience. What it the problem with that? I honestly wouldn't mind if my son, or daugher, learned more about the opposite sex's body at that camp. Sex isn't dirty or dangerous. It's healthy, and it's fun.

Are there any cultures on Earth, aside from the nudists, that practice nudity on a regular basis? I'm aware of maybe some smaller tribal people, but even then, most of them have some sort of coverings.

What I'm saying is that I can't think of anywhere where everyday nudity is a common and accepted practice. Therefore, I could say that seeing a naked member of the opposite/same sex that you consider attractive, and being aroused from it, IS a naturally occuring human trait. Nudists probaly just repress these "instincts" in order to function in such a group.

mmmm. nakes women....

there is one in florida too, i saw it on the news....

and although i dont really like to stereo type people, it seemed like the kind of place that would end up with someone getting Molested, although we may not think it is wrong, it will never be accepted.

who wants a tfp field trip to a nudist camp?

why weren't these around when I was a teen?

I have no problem with this kind of thing, as long as they can keep the paedophiles away. Our society has become too uptight about everything, and treat nudist groups like they're a bunch of nutcases. In my opinion, the only problem with nudity is sunburn.

Shokan,
Essentially culture everywhere operates by imposing mechanisms of control.
Repression of natural sexuality is perhaps the first repression imposed by human cultures.
Why? Because cultures ensure, first of all, that their constituents surrender control to the myths, taboos, hierarchies set in place in order to effectively control human populations for purposes of cementing the power structures within the behavioral bounds required by the dominant culture, it's leadership, pecking-order, myths and taboos.

Culture is about controlling people.

If you re-think your statement, you'll see this situation is implicit within it. Same statement, different assumptions. The ones I offer are anthropological axioms.

My previous post was in jest and now seeing how people are so accepting of this camp, it mystifies me in a sense.One point that I think is important is that it was stated that these kid's grew up in this atmosphere and experienced it with their parents. Fair enough.

But I can't see for the life of me how teenagers,who are exploding with hormones,have the comprehensive maturity to see the difference between a natural state,sexuality and sex.


These kid's are exposed to sex on television,movies,magazines,the internet etc and have become culturally brainwashed by it to the point where sex is seen as a natural progression in teenager's lives.( Beverly Hill's 90210 or Dawson's Creek ring a bell?) To think that it is impossible that one of these kids isn't going to get aroused or at least have sexual thoughts to any extent, is living in a fantasy based world.

I'm no shrink,but what happens when some kid's of the same age group are more physically mature than others? Will this be the beginning of a sexual inferiority complex for those who may feel inadequate? Have somehow the parents prepared them for their short comings? Will kid's tease other kid's? Afterall, these are just kid's and are no different adolescently speaking,clothed or not.

the kids I know who are members of nudist/naturist families are very aware from having been part of nudism/naturism typically for their whole lives, that they have different views on sexuality than their classmates. They are mature for their years - whereas children raised in the culture at large remain immature through adulthood on issues of sexuality, their bodies, and their "hormones".

Well since I've never known anyone with kid's or not that experience that type of atmosphere or lifestyle, I'll take your word for it.

It would be interesting to observe this,say on videotape,to see exactly these kid's and young adults co-habiting in their environment in the manner you've described. Certainly not in a sexual voyeuristic way,but rather from a social and epistemoligical sense.

I grew up going to sauna twice a week with the neighbors.
It was like a huge potluck with no clothes.
As I got older there were times when I got an erection but a few minutes in a sauna cures that real quick.
I also learned that bodies came in all shapes and sizes.
If there had been any kind of abuse the other parents would have tied the person up and dropped them in the lake.
I think this is a good idea.
Kids who go through something like this will be a lot more confidant.

Yes. At first, of course, we had the same concerns as have been expressed here. Not only did we discuss things with their parents, who are our friends, we did bring it up casually with the kids and they were like, "Other kids don't understand and so we don't waste our time talking about it much at all with them. But our good friends know we're nudists and they think it's cool".

pedophiles are just everywhere......all these years the Catholics thought they were safe from them......heh!
Doing the nudist thing turns your head around about the cultural brainwashing you have been subject to.
One of the more interesting moments was going to a uni-sex bathroom for *everything.*
That was a hurdle to overcome but once there it was just not a problem.
Intimacy in naturist camps is still kept to private places. Some camps have more rules than other.

The strangest camp ground I was ever in was along the
Indiana, Illinois border--just south of Chicago....it was
a nudist camp ground. I went there at the request of a
good friend to pull his camper home, after his van broke
down....he confided that al of his kids and grand kids met
there every weekend.....was I in for a surprise when we
walked into his friends home there, and they were all
setting around nude.....the little 8 year old girl was on
the pot, the dad and son were watching TV, and the most
beautiful blond I have ever seen was in the kitchen
making breakfast...an they were all nude.

At this time in my life I was constantly horny, but nothing
happened in all the time we sat and had breakfast---it was
just natural...(I had my cloths on).

Of coarse the strangest nudist camp I have ever heard of
is "the Sand Piper" at Edeinberg Texas---for seniors-------
Man can you imagine the sags and wrinkels---uuuugggg

Times are a changing.When I was that age I did not want to be seen nude in the gym shower room.

shit man sign me up!

very interesting topic. i can see ARTelevision's points and although i have neer been a nudist nor will i ever be one, i find nothing wrong with it and actually agree that it will lead to more mature and accepting adults. i also could see the dilemma with being a teen and getting those surprise erections, i just didnt realize that it wasnt a big deal. i would have thought that you'd be shunned.

one more comment:
fire fighting??? in the nude???? sounds too dangerous to me. :p

Okay, this campground is about 1 hour from where I live and I know a few people who go there on a regular basis. I don't see a problem with the teen camp, after all these kids were raised around nudism it's not a big deal to them, raging hormones or not. There is probably just as much sex going on at church camps every year. I know I've had my share of church camp hook ups, many of which included sex. Same thing for the young counselor/older camper it won't happen any more often than usual just because they are nude.

i can't seem to find the contact information for this place.

I'm thinking the same thing right now.

As long as the organizers weren't sickos, I'd have loved to do this.

I didn't even want to look at myself naked when I was a younger teen, much less have others look at me naked. uugghhh...

First of all, I think that this a great thing for nudist families, because it gives those parents a chance to say to their kids that nudity can be a very normal thing. Secondly, I very much agree that society in the States is much too uptight about nudity. It most certainly does not have to equal sex, and this camp makes that clear.

I'm sure that a lot of kids, too, find it more comfortable to see the variety of body types that are out there, instead of just what the media says is attractive. Through a camp like this, these kids must certainly feel more comfortable with their bodies than kids who do not.

I recently did a bladesmithing demo at a pagan event- many of the women were topless- not full nudity, but quite unusual for one not used to it- after the first day you kind of got used to it, but it could still be distracting- and I spent the weekend working with a forge and metal at about 1500 degrees.

must...go...there....now

nudist. i have a boner

At first galnce I was thinking nudist camp for teens!! Hot 18 TEEN yr old blonde chicks running around, swimming, volleyball , NUDE!!. Then reality sunk in and the whole idea of all those little children at a nudist camp just weirded me out. Being american I am much more aware of the whole nude thing, so I have a hard time accepting this as just fun. I'm to synical about life and think this is somehow fulfilling someones sick perversion.

I'm not a nudist but I can answer that one.

My husband and I, when we were first married, spent a lot of time naked when we were alone together. We found that being naked was "ordinary" after a while. We didn't get turned on seeing each other naked.

So, we decided to wear clothes most of the time and get naked primarily as part of arousing each other. It works. I still walk around the house naked occasionally but, and here's the whole point,...

being naked all the time takes all the fun out of being naked.

Damn.. nudist camp for teens. I'd never be able to leave my bed.. hot teenaged ass! fapfap

Oh yeah...I'd totaly send my kids there. :rolleyes:

that's sickening

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ARTelevision
[B]Shokan,
Essentially culture everywhere operates by imposing mechanisms of control.

Culture is about controlling people.



Art, may I recommend some reading you might enjoy? It is called "In The Absense Of The Sacred" by Jerry Mander. It covers quite a bit of ground in regards to technology and how society is bound by it's imposing mechanism of control.

I understand how this camp environment can function with naked youths of both sexes being exposed to one another. I think it is probably a very healthy way for them to be raised as well. This exposure probably makes these teens feel more comfortable with themselves because they were'nt raised with the same stimulus that nudity at that early of an age is taboo. Regardless of body type, race, color, deformity, handicap, size, etc....I am willing to bet that these teens have much higher senses of self-esteem than those people who disagree with their lifestyle.

For myself, I was raised in a clothed environment, and I would be sporting wood 24/7 if I was at that camp.