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sixate · 06-22-2003, 05:58 AM

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Organizers say teens' nudist summer camp is innocent fun

RICHMOND, Va. - Activities for kids this summer at Camp White Tail: swimming, volleyball, arts and crafts, splattering a fellow camper's nude body with pudding.

White Tail, a nudist park in southeastern Virginia's Southampton County, opens its first summer camp for the 11-to-18 age group Saturday - only the third such au naturel camp for juveniles in the nation, according to the American Association of Nude Recreation.

Bob Roche, who manages the camp on 45 bucolic acres, said the weeklong get-together is no big deal for the 30 children who signed up, most of whom were raised in nudist families.

State and local officials, however, are alarmed by a summer camp intended to bring unclothed teens together for a week.

"We're very concerned about this development. An atmosphere like that is very clearly an invitation to pedophiles," said Attorney General Jerry W. Kilgore's press secretary, Tim Murtaugh.

Delegate Robert G. Marshall, one of the state legislature's foremost social conservatives, said such a camp was better suited for San Francisco than straight-laced Virginia.

"I guess these nudists were just born that way, but unlike the rest of us they never grew out of it," Marshall said.

Roche said such concerns are unfounded at Camp White Tail, which has operated legally and without incident since it opened in 1984. It attracts an average of 1,200 people at any given time, including 30 families who live there year-round. All must undergo background checks, and the camp enforces strict rules against lustful behavior.

"Sure, it could be a magnet for pedophiles, but we don't let it be. We screen everyone thoroughly and, thanks to the governor, we can check online to see if someone's a sex offender," he said.

A searchable database of sex criminals is available through the Virginia State Police Web site.

Nor are special youth activities novel at White Tail, Roche said. Each summer features "Junior Fest" weekends chock full of activities for the children of the camp's regulars.

The summer youth camp, however, is different in that parents don't have to be present. Roche likened it to summertime retreats that churches run for boys and girls.

"This is actually a camp-type camp," he said. "All the meals are inclusive, the camp is totally structured with arts and crafts for the younger ones, with swimming lessons and firefighting lessons."

There are also activities uniquely suited to nakedness such as the pudding toss.

"We give each camper a cup of pudding and a spoon and just let them plaster each other," Roche said. With nothing to launder, cleanup is as simple as a quick blast with a garden hose.

Also unusually, counselors outnumber the kids. They range in age from 19 to 25, and all have been thoroughly trained.

"There's 1 1/2 counselors for each camper," Roche said.

The camp is modeled after the AANR's Youth Leadership Camp, which has operated for 11 years near Tampa, Fla., said Carolyn Hawkins, spokeswoman for the Kissimmee, Fla.-based organization. The other youth nudist camp is in Arizona.

AANR expects the Virginia camp will attract kids from Georgia, the Carolinas, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia.

Hawkins' 22-year-old grandson, Steven Vickers, has been a camp counselor for years. Vickers, a student at Valencia Community College, said first-time campers are uptight about their nakedness for about a day, then easily shed their self-consciousness.

"They realize there are other people like they are, and they find it comforting. They see that other kids are going through puberty, too," he said.

For children, peer pressure discourages sexual conduct.

"Most of these kids have grown up together and they're more like family than friends. So it would be like going to a family reunion and hitting on someone. It's just not the thing to do," Vickers said.

There's nothing illegal about gathering in the buff on private property, even for children, as long as being nude doesn't mean being lewd.

"To be illegal, the line that has to be crossed is lascivious intent," Murtaugh said. "Rest assured that law enforcement will be very aware and vigilant about this."

I don't have a problem with nudist camps, but not for teenagers for christs sake.
I just find it very fucked up. A ton of naked adults running around with even more naked teens. You can't tell me that some sick fucks aren't working there taking advantage of this.

ARTelevision · 06-22-2003, 07:16 AM

We were active social nudists/naturists for many years.
Unbelievably perhaps, everything the AANR says is true.

Amazingly this group and the Naturist Society have created and sustain an alternative world-view within our society. Outside nudism, in the society at large, nudity is a sexual cesspool in many, perhaps most, public settings. Within the Nudist/Naturist commnunities, it is simply a natural part of being human.

I wouldn't expect anyone who has not experienced the AANR or Naturist events to understand how this could be possible. I know it sounds nearly incredible. This is one example where thinking about something without experiencing it loses all perspective. I think this is true about a lot of things.

The_Dude · 06-22-2003, 09:39 AM

let them do whatever they want.

i do have a problem w/ the min age of 11. bump it up to hmm 15 or so and i'm all cool w/ it.

btw, i'd love to be there

ARTelevision · 06-22-2003, 10:45 AM

Well, since there is no sexuality besides that bestowed by nature, if you were to experience this, you'd see there is absolutely no need for age limits. If you visited a licensed well-run camp, the absence of any prurient sex issue would be immediately apparent.

You are probably still associating sexuality with naked human bodies. It doesn't relate. Prurient cultural rather than healthy natural sexuality arises because of repression, prurient context, and packaging.

I may be assuming too much from your last sentence, but I'd like to repeat that in the ways we commonly imagine sex - there is none at a nudist camp.

NuKE · 06-22-2003, 10:48 AM

where was this shit at when i was a teen?

BBtB · 06-22-2003, 10:55 AM

Wow. This is one instant were I agree 100% with Art. Its the catholic dogma the made the modern christian dogma that made america that made american morals talking. This all dates back to the days that nudity was seen as so bad that even simple tasks like taking a bath was sinfull. I see no problem with this camp or nudist ingeneral. Of course I also think that the age of consent should be lowered too.

rogue49 · 06-22-2003, 11:33 AM

as long as it's well monitored, then I'm cool with it.
alternative lifestyles are not harmful.

Fade · 06-22-2003, 12:24 PM

I think Art brings up a good point in that nudity is not simply in sexual form. In fact, one could even say that clothing yourself may cause lust and curiosity to be more prominent, because, if nudity is a common thing to you, it will stop standing out and the lust and/or desires will recede...

Shokan · 06-22-2003, 12:59 PM

What better way to have teenagers go through that awkward stage of puberty that to shove them into a place full of naked males and females? Hormones sure won't be raging then!!

I personally think at that age, things like should be discouraged. I'm generally for the whole "do whatever the hell you want", but this just screams bad news.

TaLoN · 06-22-2003, 01:01 PM

pure awesomeness

gibber71 · 06-22-2003, 02:02 PM

Sure why not? Let it happen.Then on Saturday night they can all sit in a hall,eat Big Mac's and watch the latest Hollywood DVD while sitting in the buff. At least they will know that no one is packing a pistol.

World's King · 06-22-2003, 02:03 PM

I know what I'm doing next summer.

MacGnG · 06-22-2003, 02:07 PM

interesting, though they should make sure the kids going therea really are nudists

JStrider · 06-22-2003, 02:22 PM

i dont have a problem with it... ill walk around my apartment naked untill lunchtime on the weekends... i'll have pants nearby in case someone knocks on the door... but i like being naked... and i think it could be pretty interesting to go to a nudist camp thing like that...

krwlz · 06-22-2003, 02:27 PM

Actually, it sounds like a great relaxation place. Never went to a nudist colony or anything, but when clothes become optional, it has just got to be co awesome.

The_Dude · 06-22-2003, 03:49 PM

i have a question, if you're at a nudist camp, wont you have a hard-on 24/7? (or at least the time you're around people).

you have to release it sometime

BBtB · 06-22-2003, 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by The_Dude
i have a question, if you're at a nudist camp, wont you have a hard-on 24/7? (or at least the time you're around people).

you have to release it sometime

Let me ask YOU something. When you walk around now do you have a hard on at all times? Why not? Are there not attractive females around you? (and if not then get out more often)

Of course when you DO get a hard on it would be much harder to hide (read Impossible)

sngx1275 · 06-22-2003, 04:03 PM

I guess you have to be brought up around it to understand, but I find it amusing ages for the camp are 11-18, the supervisors are ages 19-25. Some of those 18 year olds are bound to be attractive to those older but still young supervisors.

The_Dude · 06-22-2003, 04:03 PM

but i dont really have hardon's when i looked at clothed attractive females.

but if it was those same attractive females naked, yes i'd have a hard on

juanvaldes · 06-22-2003, 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by JStrider
i dont have a problem with it... ill walk around my apartment naked untill lunchtime on the weekends... i'll have pants nearby in case someone knocks on the door... but i like being naked... and i think it could be pretty interesting to go to a nudist camp thing like that...

Shit yesterday I was able to go until 10pm without getting dressed!

Tirian · 06-22-2003, 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by sngx1275
I guess you have to be brought up around it to understand, but I find it amusing ages for the camp are 11-18, the supervisors are ages 19-25. Some of those 18 year olds are bound to be attractive to those older but still young supervisors.

Hence the 1.5 supervisors per camper. I just volunteered for a school camp this spring and had eight 5th graders to supervise. I guess school camps just don't attract supervisors the same way.

BBtB · 06-22-2003, 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by sngx1275
I guess you have to be brought up around it to understand, but I find it amusing ages for the camp are 11-18, the supervisors are ages 19-25. Some of those 18 year olds are bound to be attractive to those older but still young supervisors.

Sure. But is that not true at the same camp just none nudist?

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Originally posted by The_Dude
but i dont really have hardon's when i looked at clothed attractive females.

but if it was those same attractive females naked, yes i'd have a hard on

Well thats you. And you know you say that and it may be true but you also have to remember that, to you atleast, nudity is a taboo. And taboos are arousing.

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Originally posted by Tirian
Hence the 1.5 supervisors per camper. I just volunteered for a school camp this spring and had eight 5th graders to supervise. I guess school camps just don't attract supervisors the same way.

I am not quite sure what you are trying to imply here. Either that all the counselors are perverts that all applyed to join there to see naked young things or maybe you are trying to to say the prehaps the camp itself is running some sort of mating service. At any rate the point is it serves no point to sit and guess about this one minute point of the camp. I DO find it odd that there are so many counselors mostly because camps try to make a profit and unless it is really expensive they wouldn't be able to pay that many counselors per camper. Of course, there ARE only 30 children at the camp. So 1.5 does just mean 45. Its possible because its so new and experimental they are just testing it out untill they try to become bigger. That is just a guess on my part but it is just as likely as any guess about anyones ill thoughts. More likely in my opinon.

ARTelevision · 06-22-2003, 06:53 PM

As I stated earlier:

Prurient sexuality is a result of repressive contexts - it is not the natural state of humans to be as hypersexual as we are when we are inhabiting culturally encoded space. In the natural context sexuality is not the prominent or dominant human experience of nakedness.

Out of thousands of males I have seen at nudist camps I have never seen one with a hard on.

If you are still seeing it this way, you're not getting my point.

sixate · 06-22-2003, 07:20 PM

Art, I get your point, but I guess the reason I think it's messed up is because if I was naked and around a bunch of naked chics when I was 13-15 I'd have a 24 hour boner. I would've been jerking off 50 times a day. I guess I just can't separate naked as not being something sexual. I'm sure people can, but it's very difficult for me to understand.

GakFace · 06-22-2003, 08:55 PM

Yeah, I understand how people can see someone naked and thinkg nothing of it.... Kinda wish I knew how that was. If i ever went to a place like that.. that first day. Yeah it'd be obvious it was my first day... heh. and i do mean the WHOLE day. But yeah, we simply have a hard time understanding because we have grown up to see that less clothes = sexy. Thus a nudist camp seems like a place where people can just do it on the beach.. heh (even though that isn't what it is.)

About the article.. I Think its fucking awesome (no pun intended).

sngx1275 · 06-22-2003, 09:16 PM

ok (trying to be as mature as I can here), does intimate relations mean as much to nudists as it does to an average person? I mean if I saw my gf naked all the time I don't know if it would excite me as much as when I see her naked now.

splck · 06-22-2003, 09:33 PM

I've never been to a nudist camp, but I have been to a nude beach with old girlfriends. Rest assured guys, no one is walking around with a hard-on. If you've never been to one, you won't understand that it's not a sex thing at all. I agree 100% with Art.

Slims · 06-22-2003, 09:38 PM

When I was fifteen or sixteen, I got hardons all the time, even without a pretty girl to look at. Often for no apparent reason. How do nudists handle that sort of thing? Do you just ignore it? Go somewhere else until it goes away?

sngx1275 · 06-22-2003, 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by Greg700
When I was fifteen or sixteen, I got hardons all the time, even without a pretty girl to look at. Often for no apparent reason. How do nudists handle that sort of thing? Do you just ignore it? Go somewhere else until it goes away?

Exactly, I guess in my first post maybe I didn't say exactly what I meant to say. We are talking about 19 year old guys being counselors for 18 year old NUDE chicks, now nature has to take over somewhere in there. How does one deal with a hard on when he is supposed to be 'counseling' a chick 1 year younger than him.

Edit: ah found BBtB talking about "is the same not found at non nudist camps"

Well you are right BBtB, but you are wrong too, in non nudist camps clothing hides the arousal, in nudists camps there is nothing to hide that.

Double D · 06-23-2003, 12:14 AM

I'd say don't knock nudism, 'till you try it.
I've only participated in the context of nude beach-going, but it was very clear- no sex of any kind was tolerated.
It was a fun, freeing experience, unlike any other I've had.

I like the idea of kids being comfortable in their own skin.

sngx1275 · 06-23-2003, 01:03 AM

sorry I don't typically reply after a reply after my own post, but:

I get replied to by DoubleD, participated in a no sex nude expierence (which I imagine is common).

And she says "It was a fun, freeing expierence, unlike any other I"ve had."

Thats where I see some "difficulties', chicks can have an "expierence" and go unnoticed, yet guys can't even get a boner without being noticed.

Just somethign to consider folks.

-SNGX1275

ARTelevision · 06-23-2003, 03:34 AM

As I recall, sus mentioned once at a large gathering that some guy had a hard on. I didn't see it but he just got over it since no one cared. I suppose you could sit down or use a towel wrap - Towels are always around, etc.

The preoccupation with this rare possibility for - what? embarrassment, I suppose - is being overplayed here.

It's clear you're not getting my point. The possibility that's being focused on here is a result of repressed prurient sexuality - which is not natural hormonal sexuality but culturally induced frisson. It takes about 2 minutes to get over that. After that, you'll feel like a real person rather than another culturally manipulated automaton.

ARTelevision · 06-23-2003, 03:52 AM

To tell you the truth, this is probably one of the most significant threads we've hosted in a while. I know it's mind-boggling. And if we can make some progress through this, perhaps it will offer some real insight into how our cultural environment micromanages us - down to things that we consider "natural human responses".

This question is easily answered by doing a Google search for "nudism faq erection" .

Here's one of them:
"4.3. Gender-specific embarrassment
Naturists know that both erections and menstruation are normal, so don't be afraid that your body's natural occurrences will offend other naturists. An erection is embarrassing, but rare, and easy to hide - just grab a towel, roll over, or jump in the water. Most naturists won't even comment about it. (Don't fear the erection your first time - most men will tell you they were too nervous for it to even be possible!) Women may feel uncomfortable being nude during menstruation. No one will be offended if women choose to wear shorts etc. during these times."

If you take the time to read the rest of the page:

http://www.toledotanclub.com/FAQ.htm

and then do some research on the AANR (American Association for Nude Recreation) and The Naturist Society, you'll find many intriguing options for living more natural lives and for the possibility that sexuality can be healthy rather than prurient.

Perhaps this topic can give us some deeper understand that many of the things we consider natural are really just culturally induced.

titsmurf · 06-23-2003, 03:57 AM

I also don't see what the big deal is. Nudism has nothing to do with sex. It's about feeling the sun on your skin, feeling the wind in your back, and dammit... letting the goodies dangle free for a change. I'm not a nudist, but I'm pretty certain I understand what it's about.

And even if to some children it does turn out being sexual experience. What it the problem with that? I honestly wouldn't mind if my son, or daugher, learned more about the opposite sex's body at that camp. Sex isn't dirty or dangerous. It's healthy, and it's fun.

Shokan · 06-23-2003, 05:26 AM

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Originally posted by ARTelevision

Perhaps this topic can give us some deeper understand that many of the things we consider natural are really just culturally induced.

Are there any cultures on Earth, aside from the nudists, that practice nudity on a regular basis? I'm aware of maybe some smaller tribal people, but even then, most of them have some sort of coverings.

What I'm saying is that I can't think of anywhere where everyday nudity is a common and accepted practice. Therefore, I could say that seeing a naked member of the opposite/same sex that you consider attractive, and being aroused from it, IS a naturally occuring human trait. Nudists probaly just repress these "instincts" in order to function in such a group.

viveleroi0 · 06-23-2003, 06:24 AM

mmmm. nakes women....

RAMONES!!! · 06-23-2003, 07:30 AM

there is one in florida too, i saw it on the news....

and although i dont really like to stereo type people, it seemed like the kind of place that would end up with someone getting Molested, although we may not think it is wrong, it will never be accepted.

The_Dude · 06-23-2003, 07:32 AM

who wants a tfp field trip to a nudist camp?

eyeseepeedude · 06-23-2003, 07:40 AM

why weren't these around when I was a teen?

MSD · 06-23-2003, 08:06 AM

I have no problem with this kind of thing, as long as they can keep the paedophiles away. Our society has become too uptight about everything, and treat nudist groups like they're a bunch of nutcases. In my opinion, the only problem with nudity is sunburn.

06-22-2003, 07:16 AM	#2 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	We were active social nudists/naturists for many years. Unbelievably perhaps, everything the AANR says is true. Amazingly this group and the Naturist Society have created and sustain an alternative world-view within our society. Outside nudism, in the society at large, nudity is a sexual cesspool in many, perhaps most, public settings. Within the Nudist/Naturist commnunities, it is simply a natural part of being human. I wouldn't expect anyone who has not experienced the AANR or Naturist events to understand how this could be possible. I know it sounds nearly incredible. This is one example where thinking about something without experiencing it loses all perspective. I think this is true about a lot of things. __________________ create evolution Last edited by ARTelevision; 06-22-2003 at 07:42 AM..

06-22-2003, 09:39 AM	#3 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	let them do whatever they want. i do have a problem w/ the min age of 11. bump it up to hmm 15 or so and i'm all cool w/ it. btw, i'd love to be there __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

06-22-2003, 10:45 AM	#4 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	Well, since there is no sexuality besides that bestowed by nature, if you were to experience this, you'd see there is absolutely no need for age limits. If you visited a licensed well-run camp, the absence of any prurient sex issue would be immediately apparent. You are probably still associating sexuality with naked human bodies. It doesn't relate. Prurient cultural rather than healthy natural sexuality arises because of repression, prurient context, and packaging. I may be assuming too much from your last sentence, but I'd like to repeat that in the ways we commonly imagine sex - there is none at a nudist camp. __________________ create evolution

06-22-2003, 10:55 AM	#6 (permalink)
BBtB ClerkMan! Location: Tulsa, Ok.	Wow. This is one instant were I agree 100% with Art. Its the catholic dogma the made the modern christian dogma that made america that made american morals talking. This all dates back to the days that nudity was seen as so bad that even simple tasks like taking a bath was sinfull. I see no problem with this camp or nudist ingeneral. Of course I also think that the age of consent should be lowered too. __________________ Meridae'n once played "death" at a game of chess that lasted for over two years. He finally beat death in a best 34 out of 67 match. At that time he could ask for any one thing and he could wish for the hope of all mankind... he looked death right in the eye and said ... "I would like about three fiddy"

06-22-2003, 12:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
Fade Banned	I think Art brings up a good point in that nudity is not simply in sexual form. In fact, one could even say that clothing yourself may cause lust and curiosity to be more prominent, because, if nudity is a common thing to you, it will stop standing out and the lust and/or desires will recede... Last edited by Fade; 06-22-2003 at 12:26 PM..

06-22-2003, 10:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
NuKE Upright	where was this shit at when i was a teen?

06-22-2003, 11:33 AM	#7 (permalink)
rogue49 Loser	as long as it's well monitored, then I'm cool with it. alternative lifestyles are not harmful.

06-22-2003, 12:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
Shokan Addict Location: Canada	What better way to have teenagers go through that awkward stage of puberty that to shove them into a place full of naked males and females? Hormones sure won't be raging then!! I personally think at that age, things like should be discouraged. I'm generally for the whole "do whatever the hell you want", but this just screams bad news. __________________ Legalize it.

06-22-2003, 01:01 PM	#10 (permalink)
TaLoN Loser Location: MI	pure awesomeness

06-22-2003, 02:02 PM	#11 (permalink)
gibber71 Loser	Sure why not? Let it happen.Then on Saturday night they can all sit in a hall,eat Big Mac's and watch the latest Hollywood DVD while sitting in the buff. At least they will know that no one is packing a pistol.

06-22-2003, 02:03 PM	#12 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	I know what I'm doing next summer. __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

06-22-2003, 02:07 PM	#13 (permalink)
MacGnG Know Where!	interesting, though they should make sure the kids going therea really are nudists

06-22-2003, 02:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	i dont have a problem with it... ill walk around my apartment naked untill lunchtime on the weekends... i'll have pants nearby in case someone knocks on the door... but i like being naked... and i think it could be pretty interesting to go to a nudist camp thing like that... __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto

06-22-2003, 02:27 PM	#15 (permalink)
krwlz Fledgling Dead Head Location: Clarkson U.	Actually, it sounds like a great relaxation place. Never went to a nudist colony or anything, but when clothes become optional, it has just got to be co awesome.

06-22-2003, 03:49 PM	#16 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	i have a question, if you're at a nudist camp, wont you have a hard-on 24/7? (or at least the time you're around people). you have to release it sometime __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

06-22-2003, 04:03 PM	#18 (permalink)
sngx1275 Loser Location: Central Missouri	I guess you have to be brought up around it to understand, but I find it amusing ages for the camp are 11-18, the supervisors are ages 19-25. Some of those 18 year olds are bound to be attractive to those older but still young supervisors.

06-22-2003, 04:03 PM	#19 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	but i dont really have hardon's when i looked at clothed attractive females. but if it was those same attractive females naked, yes i'd have a hard on __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

06-22-2003, 06:53 PM	#23 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	As I stated earlier: Prurient sexuality is a result of repressive contexts - it is not the natural state of humans to be as hypersexual as we are when we are inhabiting culturally encoded space. In the natural context sexuality is not the prominent or dominant human experience of nakedness. Out of thousands of males I have seen at nudist camps I have never seen one with a hard on. If you are still seeing it this way, you're not getting my point. __________________ create evolution

06-22-2003, 07:20 PM	#24 (permalink)
sixate Registered User Location: Somewhere in Ohio	Art, I get your point, but I guess the reason I think it's messed up is because if I was naked and around a bunch of naked chics when I was 13-15 I'd have a 24 hour boner. I would've been jerking off 50 times a day. I guess I just can't separate naked as not being something sexual. I'm sure people can, but it's very difficult for me to understand.

06-22-2003, 08:55 PM	#25 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	Yeah, I understand how people can see someone naked and thinkg nothing of it.... Kinda wish I knew how that was. If i ever went to a place like that.. that first day. Yeah it'd be obvious it was my first day... heh. and i do mean the WHOLE day. But yeah, we simply have a hard time understanding because we have grown up to see that less clothes = sexy. Thus a nudist camp seems like a place where people can just do it on the beach.. heh (even though that isn't what it is.) About the article.. I Think its fucking awesome (no pun intended). __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

06-22-2003, 09:16 PM	#26 (permalink)
sngx1275 Loser Location: Central Missouri	ok (trying to be as mature as I can here), does intimate relations mean as much to nudists as it does to an average person? I mean if I saw my gf naked all the time I don't know if it would excite me as much as when I see her naked now.

06-22-2003, 09:33 PM	#27 (permalink)
splck it's jam Location: Lowerainland BC	I've never been to a nudist camp, but I have been to a nude beach with old girlfriends. Rest assured guys, no one is walking around with a hard-on. If you've never been to one, you won't understand that it's not a sex thing at all. I agree 100% with Art. __________________ nice line eh?

06-22-2003, 09:38 PM	#28 (permalink)
Slims Eccentric insomniac Location: North Carolina	When I was fifteen or sixteen, I got hardons all the time, even without a pretty girl to look at. Often for no apparent reason. How do nudists handle that sort of thing? Do you just ignore it? Go somewhere else until it goes away? __________________ "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Seven Pillars of Wisdom, T.E. Lawrence

06-23-2003, 12:14 AM	#30 (permalink)
Double D Junkie Location: Chicagoland	I'd say don't knock nudism, 'till you try it. I've only participated in the context of nude beach-going, but it was very clear- no sex of any kind was tolerated. It was a fun, freeing experience, unlike any other I've had. I like the idea of kids being comfortable in their own skin.

06-23-2003, 01:03 AM	#31 (permalink)
sngx1275 Loser Location: Central Missouri	sorry I don't typically reply after a reply after my own post, but: I get replied to by DoubleD, participated in a no sex nude expierence (which I imagine is common). And she says "It was a fun, freeing expierence, unlike any other I"ve had." Thats where I see some "difficulties', chicks can have an "expierence" and go unnoticed, yet guys can't even get a boner without being noticed. Just somethign to consider folks. -SNGX1275

06-23-2003, 03:34 AM	#32 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	As I recall, sus mentioned once at a large gathering that some guy had a hard on. I didn't see it but he just got over it since no one cared. I suppose you could sit down or use a towel wrap - Towels are always around, etc. The preoccupation with this rare possibility for - what? embarrassment, I suppose - is being overplayed here. It's clear you're not getting my point. The possibility that's being focused on here is a result of repressed prurient sexuality - which is not natural hormonal sexuality but culturally induced frisson. It takes about 2 minutes to get over that. After that, you'll feel like a real person rather than another culturally manipulated automaton. __________________ create evolution

06-23-2003, 03:52 AM	#33 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	To tell you the truth, this is probably one of the most significant threads we've hosted in a while. I know it's mind-boggling. And if we can make some progress through this, perhaps it will offer some real insight into how our cultural environment micromanages us - down to things that we consider "natural human responses". This question is easily answered by doing a Google search for "nudism faq erection" . Here's one of them: "4.3. Gender-specific embarrassment Naturists know that both erections and menstruation are normal, so don't be afraid that your body's natural occurrences will offend other naturists. An erection is embarrassing, but rare, and easy to hide - just grab a towel, roll over, or jump in the water. Most naturists won't even comment about it. (Don't fear the erection your first time - most men will tell you they were too nervous for it to even be possible!) Women may feel uncomfortable being nude during menstruation. No one will be offended if women choose to wear shorts etc. during these times." If you take the time to read the rest of the page: http://www.toledotanclub.com/FAQ.htm and then do some research on the AANR (American Association for Nude Recreation) and The Naturist Society, you'll find many intriguing options for living more natural lives and for the possibility that sexuality can be healthy rather than prurient. Perhaps this topic can give us some deeper understand that many of the things we consider natural are really just culturally induced. __________________ create evolution

06-23-2003, 03:57 AM	#34 (permalink)
titsmurf Crazy Location: Belgium	I also don't see what the big deal is. Nudism has nothing to do with sex. It's about feeling the sun on your skin, feeling the wind in your back, and dammit... letting the goodies dangle free for a change. I'm not a nudist, but I'm pretty certain I understand what it's about. And even if to some children it does turn out being sexual experience. What it the problem with that? I honestly wouldn't mind if my son, or daugher, learned more about the opposite sex's body at that camp. Sex isn't dirty or dangerous. It's healthy, and it's fun.

06-23-2003, 06:24 AM	#36 (permalink)
viveleroi0 Psycho Location: Oregon	mmmm. nakes women.... __________________ "It's not that I don't understand, it's that I don't care" - Homer Simpson

06-23-2003, 07:30 AM	#37 (permalink)
RAMONES!!! _-_---_-_	there is one in florida too, i saw it on the news.... and although i dont really like to stereo type people, it seemed like the kind of place that would end up with someone getting Molested, although we may not think it is wrong, it will never be accepted. __________________ Come on

06-23-2003, 07:32 AM	#38 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	who wants a tfp field trip to a nudist camp? __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

06-23-2003, 07:40 AM	#39 (permalink)
eyeseepeedude Sir Location: Colorado Springs, CO	why weren't these around when I was a teen? __________________ If you like what you see, donate to the TFP

06-23-2003, 08:06 AM	#40 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	I have no problem with this kind of thing, as long as they can keep the paedophiles away. Our society has become too uptight about everything, and treat nudist groups like they're a bunch of nutcases. In my opinion, the only problem with nudity is sunburn.