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Buddhists typically don't even want to consider themselves Buddhists at all. They avoid categorization because they intentionally let go of conceptual trappings. Any rituals, clothing, symbols, etc. used are mere aids. They aren't to be idolized or coveted as sacred. I am speaking generally, of course. There are variances between Buddhist groups. |
Who is Mr. Singh?
Are you saying Muslims are a race? |
No, I'm saying all Sikhs are Singhs. You want to profile Sikhs? Just look at their dress, and their passports.
And I think what biznatch was getting at was that it isn't always difficult to determine if someone is more than likely a Muslim. The look, the name, the nationality, the accent, the destination, etc. These aren't 100%, of course, but they try to profile Muslims at airports, I'm sure. |
Oh, I didn't realize Singh was slang for Sihks. Thanks for the clarification.
But Sihks aren't Muslims so if you try and profile that then you have already failed. It's like all those people who attacked Indians in America after 9/11 cause they thought they were Muslim. I think I get what you are saying Baraka, but I just don't think you can profile a religion successfully or with any accuracy (excepting extreme stereotypes). Muslims are not a racial (phenotype) descriptor. Again, barring extreme cliches, most Muslims i encounter tend to be white, wear jeans and sneakers, and are "normal" Americans. I think of all groups, Muslims would be a nightmare to profile - it is such a diverse group. Honestly, a smart terrorist should adapt a different look to beat the profilers. Blond, blue eyed, female, wearing a hooters shirt (loaded with c4), etc. Or how about all the Asian Muslims. Black Muslims. Etc etc etc. If you really believe in "racial" profiling, well, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. |
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Buddhism is a religion. Dalai Lama may or may not be considered God (or reincarnation of Buddha) depending upon you agree upro it or not. None of my Buddhist friends say he is a God. They have Temples where you go and pray, they have religious leaders and philosophy of religion just like another making it a religion.
/end hijack I believe profiling happens with Muslims, may not be much, but yes it is there. |
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It's very queer that the communist countries never once questioned me why it was that I had so many "non-communist country visas". Actually the U.S. immigrations never bothered to ask those "non-communist countries" questions either! Very queer. Those American customs/immigration people are really extremely adolescent bafoons. |
Man, so much racism in the world. Yeah, we know it. We see it. We are in it (strictly speaking whether you are a victim or a offender). But yeah, I agree witht he first post that the parents has no rights in stopping their child being what they want. Didn't they ever dream to be something else while their parents tell them not to do this because etc, etc, etc.? Well it seems that they agree with their parents or they wanted to inflict the same pain toward their children because they had the same experience as well.
I hate it when I see parents like that, forcing and bossing and nagging that the child should do this or that. It's a generalization if anyone didn't notice it at first. I see this in my area as well. Not just Muslims, but several different cultures as well. |
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The thing is, what you consider proper treatment to your child would probably astonish me. Yet generation upon generation of Americans say things like, "It was good enough for me to get a spanking and it didn't do me any harm so my children get more of the same stuff. It's the only way to make a man of them!" Many Arab cultures (not all, and certainly not all Moslems either) see it as a Godly sin to marry out of the Islamic tradition, ie. for a Moslem girl to have a relationship with a non-Moslem boy/man. You can call my view prejudgiced or racist, if you like, but you've got to look at the facts if you want to understand the problem. |
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Maybe he didn't fly a plane into a building, but he parked a truck filled with explosives next to one, and detonated them. He didn't do it with a plane, but he very well could have. He's pretty close to your description of people who shouldn't be profiled..should they? What about those kids who shoot up their schools, and malls? They're not necessarily arab. The mall shooter was white, the Vtech shooter was asian. The DC snipers were black. Ethnicity has nothing to do with it. Profiling is wrong, it's useless, and it's incredibly insulting to those treated differently. |
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What I'm saying is that finding a terrorist based on origin/name/skin color is stupid. When the Oklahoma City Bombing happened, everyone thought it was a muslim, arab terrorist who did it, not some confused/angry average white american. Even if you were gonna try to find a muslim person(for whatever reason), racial profiling can prove inneffective as muslims can *gasp* be of any descent/ethnicity. So while "control of the airport" might be the subject, my argument is that Timothy McVeigh could've hijacked a plane instead of blowing up a truck, he just happened to be more proficient with explosives. Hell, the first attempt of an attack on WTC was done with a truck filled with explosives. And if McVeigh had the means/desire to learn to fly, he certainly could've done so just like the 9/11 terrorists did, at any amateur aviation center. |
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DOUBLEPOSTIT Dead muslim girls have very little to do with McVeigh. This thread is awry. |
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Maybe it's not your intended point, but it pisses me off to no end that so many people feel everyone needs special rights for their religion, race, gender, educational level, ailment, disability, et cetera. That's a huge part of what proliferates racism and other "-isms" in western culture today. You can't demand to be the same and then ask to be different all at once. It's bullshit. Again, what would a "muslim" right be? The right to worship Allah (God) and believe in the Prophet Muhammed? They already have that right. The right to strangle your daughter to death for not wearing a specific piece of religious garb? They'll NEVER have that right. I don't understand... |
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willravel... as an aside, I am about 1000 miles to left of you, politically.
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no Will, thats the difference between us.
ALL capitalist parties are my enemy. You simply want a more social, kinder form of capitalism - the iron fist in the velvet glove... a few concessions from the master classes. I believe in the abolishment of the master class. I am outside of the system and opposed to all forms of liberal capitalist democracy. Is the Labour party better than the Conservative? Not especially... after 10 years they had become more right wing than the opposition in any case. Some of their people were more forward thinking and more enlightened, but the result of government was the same oppression of the people as always. ____ But back to Islam and its extremism... It may be true that in Iran there is drinking and whoring and so on in Tehran... this will exclusively be taking place amongst the rich and the elite. The ordinary youth, the student movements, are becoming more radical and more conservative. In the country, there is no movement towards liberalisation that I see. The world situation is polarising... and in my own view, the West is not helping. Of course, there are Christian murderers, and grotesque violence against women legitamised in Western African, Hindu and Sikh religions... and in Christianity's too. Usama Bin Laden reflects on Islam in the same was as the Spanish Inquisition did against Christianity. Someone like Fred Phelps may be just as mad and hateful as Bin Laden (and a lot less clever) - but there is a difference, since one if a powerless hatemonger, and one is followed by millions. The poverty enforced in many Islamic countries by the emerging robber bandit capitalist societies, reinforced by European and American colonialism - is creating a working class that is suffering under great misery. Of course, the capitalist will tell them to hate the American, to hate the Danish cartoon maker, or whatever else - anything other than the system that creates the poverty. The future world will not have religion in the sense of as a definition. There is no reason why after the revolution people may not believe in God, but we will see the end of the SOCIAL power of organised religion, and its use as a classification and divide of the working class. The violence of radical Islam is, really, the "sigh of the oppressed creature" |
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The real point is that Timothy McVeigh was a sociopath and a maniac
In the West Bank you are seeing ordinary people, who in other situations would lead ordinary lives, blowing themselves in the hope that they might kill a few Jewish school children in the process. They are murderers not because of natural sadism or "evil", but because they are caught in a collective madness. |
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1992: 32 separate attempted or successful bombings and arsons on Abortion clinics 1993: 20 separate attempted or successful bombings and arsons on Abortion clinics 1993: WTC bombing 1 1993: Unabomber returns to bombing 1994: 15 separate attempted or successful bombings and arsons on Abortion clinics 1994: More unabombings 1995: 16 separate attempted or successful bombings and arsons on Abortion clinics 1995: Oklahoma City 1995: More unabombings 1996: 9 separate attempted or successful bombings and arsons on Abortion clinics 1997: 16 separate attempted or successful bombings and arsons on Abortion clinics 1998: 10 separate attempted or successful bombings and arsons on Abortion clinics 1999: 10 separate attempted or successful bombings and arsons on Abortion clinics 2000: 5 separate attempted or successful bombings and arsons on Abortion clinics 2001: 5 separate attempted or successful bombings and arsons on Abortion clinics 2001: New York City/DC/Shanksville 2002: 1 separate attempted or successful bombings and arsons on Abortion clinics 2003: 3 separate attempted or successful bombings and arsons on Abortion clinics 2004: 2 separate attempted or successful bombings and arsons on Abortion clinics Let's stop kidding ourselves, mkay? |
really anti abortion clinic attackers are listed on terrorist watch lists?
or is that your consideration of lumping and recognizing them as terrorists? |
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Do you know of any organized christian groups that are recognized as terrorist groups or that are worthy of being included on terrorist watch groups? |
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Please list a single one of these right wing/christian groups with names. |
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John Burt, a member of the KKK, a radical protestant religious group, broke into an abortion clinic and assaulted two female employees before being arrested. John was also a member of the organization "Rescue America", which is a vocal anti-abortion organization which has many militant members. There's two names. If you need more, such as "Defensive Action", I can give you more. All I needed was google. |
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Many of them were members of radical organizations, but I must say that even if one were acting alone, does that make it any less terrorism?
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So if a white guy hijacks a plane and flies it into a building then cross-ethnic profiling will be appropriate?
Besides, I think profiling is a placebo to make us feel better. Truth is, the only thing that's really going to keep planes safe is keeping dangerous paraphrenalia off of planes and they seem to be doing a piss-poor job of that, too. |
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So if anyone sees me hanging around outside an abortion clinic feel free to profile me.
Seriously quit grasping, the IRA isn't going to be hijacking US Jets, nor are anti-abortion terrorists. Therefore its kinda silly to profile those people at airports. If the IRA decides to become active again in the US or they start performing abortions on aircraft, then feel free to change the profile. |
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But seriously, two hijacking as a part of one plan and your panties are in a bunch? Comon. They should be spending the time they would spend profiling actually trying to find weapons on people or having marshals on planes. |
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But as for the airlines, yea because thats the ONLY place 99% of us run into this. The TSA should be allowed to racially profile, period. |
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I'm glad you know how to run a terrorist organization and the type of people involved, but if you don't mind I'll stick to the screening. |
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