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genuinegirly 12-09-2007 05:13 PM

Murderer feeds prostitutes' remains to his pigs
 
Well, what do you make of this man?
Is he a crazy old man that wanted cheap feed for his pigs? Or how about a vigilante that wanted to rid his neighborhood of a profession he found disgraceful?

Seems like a story out of a novel. Doesn't seem real to me. Goes to show that reality can be crazier than fiction.

From CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americ....ap/index.html


Quote:

NEW WESTMINSTER, British Columbia (AP) -- A pig farmer accused of being Canada's worst serial killer was found guilty Sunday of six counts of second-degree murder, which carries a mandatory sentence of life in prison.

The verdict ended the trial of Robert 'Willie' Pickton on the first six of 26 murder charges in the deaths of women, most of them prostitutes and drug addicts from a seedy Vancouver neighborhood.

Pickton, 58, was tried for the killings of Mona Wilson, Sereena Abotsway, Marnie Frey, Brenda Wolfe, Andrea Joesbury and Georgina Papin.

The defense acknowledged that their remains were found on Pickton's farm outside Vancouver, but denied he was responsible for their deaths.

The jury of seven men and five women began its deliberations Friday night. They had the option of finding Pickton guilty of first-degree murder, second-degree murder or manslaughter or not guilty on any of the six counts.

Pickton listened to the verdict with his head bowed. He will receive a mandatory sentence of life in prison and will not be eligible for parole for at least 10 years. The jury was deliberating Sunday whether to extend that 10-year period.

Two jurors, both women, wiped tears from their eyes while the verdict was read.

Prosecutors have said Pickton will be tried for the 20 other murder charges but no date has been set.

Last week, Judge James Williams reviewed the transcript of a videotape in which Pickton is heard telling an undercover police officer that he had planned to kill one more woman before stopping at 50, taking a break and then killing another 25 women.

"I was going to do one more; make it an even 50," Pickton told the officer, who had been planted in the accused killer's cell and gained his trust.

A day earlier, Papin's three sisters cried and clutched each other's hands in court while the judge reviewed the testimony of witness Lynn Ellingson, who said she walked in on a blood-covered Pickton as Papin's body dangled from a chain in the farm's slaughterhouse.

Prosecution witness Andrew Bellwood had testified that Pickton told him how he strangled his alleged victims and fed their remains to his pigs.


Baraka_Guru 12-09-2007 05:27 PM

Yeah, this has been a prominent mainstay of the news in Canada lately.

I wouldn't call him a vigilante. I'd simply call him not right in the head.

dksuddeth 12-09-2007 06:41 PM

Quote:

He will receive a mandatory sentence of life in prison and will not be eligible for parole for at least 10 years. The jury was deliberating Sunday whether to extend that 10-year period.
This is exactly what is wrong in our society today. How does a mandatory life sentence make someone eligible for parole after 10 years? Does anyone TRULY think that this individual is capable of being rehabilitated?

Baraka_Guru 12-09-2007 06:45 PM

He won't get parole.

"Eligible."

Think Charles Manson.

Radio Monk33 12-09-2007 06:59 PM

Ah, something big in my city of Vancouver. I suppose the 2010 Olympics and this serial killer of prostitutes is what we'll be known for internationally. :(

Anyways, I'm not terribly concerned about the first sentencing or 10 years. Afterall, he has what, 20 or so more murders to be tried for. No doubt that it'll be several life sentences. What a drain on the infrastructure to try this guy.

genuinegirly 12-09-2007 07:16 PM

Everyone deserves a fair trial, if they ask for it. What amazes me is that he opted for one.

dksuddeth 12-09-2007 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
He won't get parole.

"Eligible."

Think Charles Manson.

any guarantee on that? are you selling bridges in new york also?

Baraka_Guru 12-09-2007 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dksuddeth
any guarantee on that? are you selling bridges in new york also?

Of course there are no guarantees. I'm talking about the likelihood. Were you biting your nails each of the ten times Manson was up for parole?

If (or when, really) Pickton is found guilty, he will be considered this country's worst serial killer. You don't win a parole bid easily in that kind of position. It's not going to happen. The odds of his being paroled are astronomical.


And it's off topic, really, but New York isn't the only state with collapsing bridges. Parole boards reviewing serial killers aren't bridges, anyway.

Plan9 12-09-2007 08:24 PM

I wonder.

Later...

...will the bacon taste like condoms and cosmetics?

Ustwo 12-09-2007 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
He won't get parole.

"Eligible."

Think Charles Manson.

Quote:

A WOMAN who helped her husband to kidnap, rape and kill two teenage girls, and once offered him her younger (15 year old) sister as a Christmas present, has walked free after only 12 years in a Canadian prison.

Karla Homolka’s gruesome crimes have made her Canada’s most reviled woman, holding a place in the popular imagination similar to that of Myra Hindley in Britain.

Baraka_Guru 12-09-2007 09:54 PM

You might want to read up on that case, Ustwo. There are some distinct differences.

Ustwo 12-09-2007 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
You might want to read up on that case, Ustwo. There are some distinct differences.

Just saying....

Charlatan 12-10-2007 04:48 AM

I find the idea that he would even be considered a vigilante just plain odd.

Baraka_Guru 12-10-2007 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ustwo
Just saying....

I know what you are getting at. No one was happy to see Homolka walk free, but the difference is that she was sentenced to 12 years. She wasn't paroled, she was released.

I just read the news this morning. Pickton was convicted for 6 counts of second-degree murder. Murder of the second-degree is what gets him a parole hearing in 10 years, but the multiplicity of the murders, and the idea that he's killed up to 20 other women, would suggest that he'll never be deemed safe for parole.

Again, I'm talking about the likelihood; this is, of course, no guarantee. But I can't even imagine the public outrage if they would let him out. The parole hearing will be a formality.

canuckguy 12-10-2007 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crompsin
I wonder.

Later...

...will the bacon taste like condoms and cosmetics?


lmao, glad i had breakfast before reading this thread!

highthief 12-10-2007 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ustwo
Brief snippet about Homolka and Bernardo

It was a plea bargain and one that, in hindsight and given the evidence that later came to light, was not a good one. But, she was not given early release and at the time, the bargain seemed to make some sense.

Her hubby, Paul, will be in jail for - well, probably forever, as someone categorized as a dangerous offender.

Pickton will end up a with a dangerous offender label and will die in jail.

All Americans worried about crime in canada can rest easy.

:thumbsup:

Willravel 12-10-2007 11:27 AM

Waiter! Waiter! Excuse me, but I have to send this back. My ham has syphilis.

Crack 12-10-2007 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willravel
Waiter! Waiter! Excuse me, but I have to send this back. My ham has syphilis.

That's just the clap sir, you should be fine.

casual user 12-10-2007 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
I know what you are getting at. No one was happy to see Homolka walk free, but the difference is that she was sentenced to 12 years. She wasn't paroled, she was released.

I just read the news this morning. Pickton was convicted for 6 counts of second-degree murder. Murder of the second-degree is what gets him a parole hearing in 10 years, but the multiplicity of the murders, and the idea that he's killed up to 20 other women, would suggest that he'll never be deemed safe for parole.

Again, I'm talking about the likelihood; this is, of course, no guarantee. But I can't even imagine the public outrage if they would let him out. The parole hearing will be a formality.


i may be mistaken, but wasn't jeffery dahmer let go once?

World's King 12-10-2007 03:37 PM

Hm...


As much as I joke about killing hookers. I don't think it's actually okay. Funny. But not okay. And the fact that he fed them to pigs... HAHA!! That's straight outta Hollywood.


Funny. But not okay. Unless that is of course that she over charged you for the blow job and refused to do anal.

j8ear 12-10-2007 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casual user
i may be mistaken, but wasn't jeffery dahmer let go once?

You are mistaken. He was however beaten to death by another inmate.

As far as this serial killer is concerned, I keep thinking back to the scene in "Snatch" where "Brickhouse" suggests never to trust a man who keeps pigs. They will eat every scrap of a man right down to the bones.

"You've got to shave your victims and remove the teeth for the sake of the piggies digestive system...."

"They'll go through bone like butter."

Here's a clip

What a great movie...snatch...what a shitty man...the guy about who this thread is about.

-bear

Elphaba 12-10-2007 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ustwo
Just saying....

How about providing a link in addition to your quote from anywhere?

Baraka_Guru 12-10-2007 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casual user
i may be mistaken, but wasn't jeffery dahmer let go once?

Actually, I read on the Wikimachine that he was released after being sentenced for sexually fondling a 13-year-old Laotian boy. A five-year probation for good behaviour. But then he went and killed a bunch of people.

Ustwo 12-10-2007 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elphaba
How about providing a link in addition to your quote from anywhere?

Its a well known case, you can google a dozen if you like by putting the name in.

Elphaba 12-10-2007 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ustwo
Its a well known case, you can google a dozen if you like by putting the name in.


I am well aware of the case. Providing a link to your quote is something one should do, don't you think?

Bill O'Rights 12-11-2007 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elphaba
Providing a link to your quote is something one should do, don't you think?

Normally...providing a link to a quote is a very good idea, and is just plain common courtesy. However, in this case, I think that the Karla Homolka case is such common knowledge, that providing a link is unnecessary and a little pointless.

highthief 12-11-2007 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights
Normally...providing a link to a quote is a very good idea, and is just plain common courtesy. However, in this case, I think that the Karla Homolka case is such common knowledge, that providing a link is unnecessary and a little pointless.

I would disagree - we are talking the difference between what was a plea bargain in one instance (and she did serve her full term) and the possibility of parole in another instance. To present Homolka as akin to Pickton is either uninformed or deliberately misleading, especially given that within the same post, the individual linked "early parole" with the Homolka case.

whitelight 12-13-2007 12:57 AM

Yep, Hannibal Lechter did that too...not prostitutes, I think it was Gary Oldham actually. (Mason Verger)

Strange Famous 12-14-2007 01:34 PM

like curry to a pisshead...




Quote:

Originally Posted by j8ear
You are mistaken. He was however beaten to death by another inmate.

As far as this serial killer is concerned, I keep thinking back to the scene in "Snatch" where "Brickhouse" suggests never to trust a man who keeps pigs. They will eat every scrap of a man right down to the bones.

"You've got to shave your victims and remove the teeth for the sake of the piggies digestive system...."

"They'll go through bone like butter."

Here's a clip

What a great movie...snatch...what a shitty man...the guy about who this thread is about.

-bear


vox_rox 01-28-2008 08:10 PM

Let's not twist these things into something they aren't.

Firstly, Holomka is a cold-blooded psychopath who used everyone around her, including her clueless and sadly sadistic husband Paul Bernardo, to her own best ends. Those ends will always be bad when you enjoy rape and murder, which she did. The Canadian legal system can take the award for the biggest mishandling of all time for allow her to manipulate them. That's why she's free. That's all about her.

Robert Pickton is a simple-minded, cruel man who doesn't have the brain capacity to even know that raping, torturing, killing and dismembering prostitutes (or anyone for that matter) is remotely wrong. He is not a vigilante, he is not a sociopath, he's just a stupid man who kills prostitutes because he's weak and they make easier targets. He will die in jail.

'Nuff said. Canadians or not, they're both bad people, and the world would be a better place without them. I can't say that anyone, necessarily, deserves to die, but I'm saying that the world would be better off, that's all.

Peace,

Pierre

Ace_O_Spades 01-28-2008 08:30 PM

A common mistake I'm seeing in this thread is thinking that Pickton is eligible for parole in 10 years. He gets dangerous offender status. He is guilty of SIX counts of second degree murder. He is never getting out of prison, ever.

EVER.... EVER EVER EVER EVER

EVER EVER

.... EVERRRRRRRRRR

vox_rox 01-28-2008 08:35 PM

Read my post above then read this again...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace_O_Spades
He is guilty of SIX counts of second degree murder. He is never getting out of prison, ever.

EVER.... EVER EVER EVER EVER

EVER EVER

.... EVERRRRRRRRRR

E--V--E--R............

Peace,

Pierre

Ace_O_Spades 01-28-2008 10:23 PM

As an interesting aside, one of my professors worked on this case. And we had the lead Ident (Canadian CSI, but sworn police) officer come and talk to our forensics class.

It was a really chilling look at what the officers and investigators went through while investigating this man. Like he told us about the first night he tried to sleep after finding the severed heads in the freezer of the Pickton farm.

vox_rox 01-28-2008 10:35 PM

Yup, it was a big thing, and it seems everyone knew someone involved. I had a cousin who was va long-time RCMP, and they called him in to set up the protocols for sifting the debris and identifying locations of possible DNA rich material.

He left the force soon after the scavenger hunt was done and did some freelance work stateside, but it really affected him.

It's truly a gruesome page in our history, to be sure.

Peace,

Pierre


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