15-year-old girl jailed with 20 men revisited
 

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...-23109,00.html

While I agree with the earlier assertion that the subject line and attitude of the post was in poor form, I think there is plenty to discuss if not at least ponder in the article linked to. I would have thought tfp members would have found more wrong with the treatment of this young girl than the OP's use of foreigner in his post.

I'm shocked that this could happen anywhere in the world. However I realize that this is likely the tip of the iceberg. This is a story that got reported. Who knows what goes on without ever being heard of? There are societies in the world where women have very little or no rights; Imagine for a moment what can go on in those cultures.

Right now there is a story making headlines about a Saudi woman who will be given a punishment for her part in her rape. But before we get on the "Well that is Islam for ya" kick, remember that there are plenty of good ol' red blooded American defense attorneys who will use the "how were you dressed and you wanted it" defenses.

Open up your Outlook and Yahoo calendars and mark today in them. November 25th is the International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women. CNN just doesn't give today as much coverage as the anniversary of Elvis' death. http://www.un.org/depts/dhl/violence/

My first thought was that the Brazillian cops involved had taken payment from someone in the criminal fraternity to procure the girl for the prisoners to have sex with.

I can't believe it was an accident, so the cops are clearly complicit in the rapes.

Tat said, you only have to go back about 150 years for that to be the case in London prisons.

How about, 'thats shira law for you' instead then. Lets not play moral relativism games here in order to be politically correct with the religion of peace.

Just be thankful we live where we do.

You mean in the land of truth and justice?

Seriously, though, critique Islam all you want, but keep in mind it's on the verge of a reformation and will likely get one in due time.

But what about other areas? I've heard some countries in South America are pretty bad, but why are we always hearing of stories of sexual assault even in the U.S. and Canada? Are we moving in the right direction, legally and socially?

And I'd bet you wouldn't have to go that far to find it in American prisons. I toured the old Idaho State Penitentiary in Boise once. I can't remember the particulars, but there was a young woman locked up there in conditions that would lead one to think were not too cozy for her either.

That is seriously fucked up.

Believe me, I have less use for Islam than I do the mainstream religion where we are. And I'm sure that there are those Islamic fundies that would bury this young Brazillion girl up to her neck and stone her for what happened in jail against her will. But as civilized as we think we are at times, we forget we leave a lot to be desired.

Having seen women beaten on the streets of Mosul (Iraq) and Gardez (A-stan)... I am.

What a violent world.

I stand by my position in the original thread that the people responsible for this should be executed.

And some people here are way too sensitive. I didn't say all foreigners were stupid. These particular people were stupid (and possibly sadistic) and they happened to be foreign from my perspective.

We all know that prison rapes are common in the U.S.; it's even joked about fairly frequently, (don't drop the soap!) but there seems to be very little outrage about it. Granted, it's a little worse to do this to a 15 year old girl than an 18 year old man, but we're still sending people to prison knowing that there's a good chance they'll get raped.

There is a difference in realizing that a person may very well be sexually assaulted in jail and putting a 15 year old girl in a cell with 20 men.

I know not what the actual statistics are for people being raped in prison as a whole. But I'd bet the number for 15 year olds locked up with adult men is around 100% or close to it.

The title and attitude conveyed was assholish and ignorant. Keeping in mind that the TFP has people who live all over the world, it's a big slap in the face to even use the word "foreigners". This is not to mention the fact that you are hardly indicating "stupid people who happen to live in another country" when you say "stupid foreigners". It's a pretty purposeful combination of words, in my opinion. A little more tact would have made that thread go much farther.

Also, the people responsible for this should be held accountable to the maximum penalty of the law. I don't think execution would be unreasonable, if it can be proven it was done purposefully. (i'm not saying it wasn't, I'm just saying it still needs to be proven in a legal proceeding)

You have to ask how this happens. Was the girl dressed as a man so well that she fooled the police or was it a purposeful torture? I find it hard to believe it was a simple mistake.

I'm so glad that there are human rights groups out there to deal with this breed of nightmare. I wouldn't know where to start.

The bad thing is I suspect that where the really bad shit goes down, human rights groups have about the same impact that PETA does stopping whateverthehell they are trying to stop.