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Ustwo · 10-20-2007, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by flstf

I'm at the apathy stage and if it wasn't for some local bond issues etc.. I'd give my vote away. The major parties have a monopoly on most national elections and both are trying to out do the other to grow the government ever larger and control more and more of our lives.

True, my first post on that was pretty much this point as well, I'm still not giving it away though, you would at least have to buy me dinner and maybe flowers.

blahblah454 · 10-20-2007, 04:55 PM

Look at the winner of elections and the size and money spent on that persons campaign. The winner is almost always the one who spent the most money, so aren't they already buying your votes?

SecretMethod70 · 10-20-2007, 10:19 PM

Well, I already answered the question, but I just figured I'd throw out there that I agree with most of what Ustwo is saying.

Jetée · 10-20-2007, 11:02 PM

What I reckon to hardly believe is that most who say they wouldn't sell their right to vote equate it with their voice and the ultimate power to change and put forth good into the world. That is not how it is. Your vote is worth as much the stock you put into it, and considering you have a limited choice in the matter, it is not worth much at all. You can extol as much as you want, but the reality is that your vote is the voice of another. Individual votes and the collective are placed in the trust of a single constituent, who may or may not hold the same views as you as might have been initially led to believe. Take Bush, Congress, the UN, any and all leaders, past, present future; a majority of them were issued their power by the majority, who in turn sought to overlook the minorities in an effort to bolster the majority again. Votes don't count if they do not seek to make change.

As a former US Supreme Court Judge once notioned: “If voting could really change things, it would be illegal.”

Becoming comfortable and unaware is the folly of many societies, and will be the downfall of most democratic nations that cannot freely be allowed to have their voices heard. You may believe by going out to vote, well that is your trump right there, but if you cannot be reasoned with to see that the little good you have done is propagate the erroneous system by conforming to your right to your "one free vote", then you have every right to keep it.

Beware though, when it becomes your only fallback.

Sion · 10-25-2007, 03:44 PM

my vote is worth exactly $1,247.09 + attorney fees and court costs, if necessary.

Rogue Element · 10-25-2007, 03:51 PM

£30,000, once tax etc is accounted for.

Given in my enlightened country of residence we have a first past the post system, and this place is considered a "safe seat" for the party who currently hold the seat (the most recent leader of the party is my local MP, in fact), my vote is essentially worthless anyway. Anyone paying my above fee would be ripped off but, as they say, its morally wrong to allow a sucker to keep his money.

Naturally, this would be a one off situation, subject to change as I see fit. Should party politics take a drastic turn, I'd like to retain the decision, should I want to, to be able to cast my vote myself. I like being able to change my mind.

10-20-2007, 10:19 PM	#43 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	Well, I already answered the question, but I just figured I'd throw out there that I agree with most of what Ustwo is saying. __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

10-20-2007, 11:02 PM	#44 (permalink)
Jetée The Reforms Location: Rarely, if ever, here or there, but always in transition	What I reckon to hardly believe is that most who say they wouldn't sell their right to vote equate it with their voice and the ultimate power to change and put forth good into the world. That is not how it is. Your vote is worth as much the stock you put into it, and considering you have a limited choice in the matter, it is not worth much at all. You can extol as much as you want, but the reality is that your vote is the voice of another. Individual votes and the collective are placed in the trust of a single constituent, who may or may not hold the same views as you as might have been initially led to believe. Take Bush, Congress, the UN, any and all leaders, past, present future; a majority of them were issued their power by the majority, who in turn sought to overlook the minorities in an effort to bolster the majority again. Votes don't count if they do not seek to make change. As a former US Supreme Court Judge once notioned: “If voting could really change things, it would be illegal.” Becoming comfortable and unaware is the folly of many societies, and will be the downfall of most democratic nations that cannot freely be allowed to have their voices heard. You may believe by going out to vote, well that is your trump right there, but if you cannot be reasoned with to see that the little good you have done is propagate the erroneous system by conforming to your right to your "one free vote", then you have every right to keep it. Beware though, when it becomes your only fallback. __________________ As human beings, our greatness lies not so much in being able to remake the world (that is the myth of the Atomic Age) as in being able to remake ourselves. —Mohandas K. Gandhi

10-25-2007, 03:44 PM	#45 (permalink)
Sion Dumb all over...a little ugly on the side Location: In the room where the giant fire puffer works, and the torture never stops.	my vote is worth exactly $1,247.09 + attorney fees and court costs, if necessary. __________________ He's the best, of course, of all the worst. Some wrong been done, he done it first. -fz I jus' want ta thank you...falettinme...be mice elf...agin...

10-25-2007, 03:51 PM	#46 (permalink)
Rogue Element Upright Location: Arctic circle	£30,000, once tax etc is accounted for. Given in my enlightened country of residence we have a first past the post system, and this place is considered a "safe seat" for the party who currently hold the seat (the most recent leader of the party is my local MP, in fact), my vote is essentially worthless anyway. Anyone paying my above fee would be ripped off but, as they say, its morally wrong to allow a sucker to keep his money. Naturally, this would be a one off situation, subject to change as I see fit. Should party politics take a drastic turn, I'd like to retain the decision, should I want to, to be able to cast my vote myself. I like being able to change my mind. __________________ < Prententious/insightful filler goes here >

10-20-2007, 04:55 PM	#42 (permalink)
blahblah454 Let's put a smile on that face Location: On the road...	Look at the winner of elections and the size and money spent on that persons campaign. The winner is almost always the one who spent the most money, so aren't they already buying your votes?