Still no Cure for Cancer? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

tecoyah · 10-14-2007, 09:00 AM

Very promising trials...one to keep a close eye on.

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Results have been extremely promising in clinical trials involving mice genetically cloned to replicate humans.

Scientists initially injected the mice with cancer cells, which formed huge tumours and made them very ill. Within 14 days of receiving the vaccine, each one became tumour-free and perfectly healthy. The mice were re-injected and no new tumours formed. The trials were repeated three times with the same results.

In October 2006, IVT held a cancer workshop in Halifax to show off its findings.

http://www.hfxnews.ca/index.cfm?sid=70927&sc=270

yellowchef · 10-14-2007, 09:31 AM

Too bad America won't support something like this. Or it will be so expensive, so risky and so experimental 99.9999999999999999 of health insurance companies won't cover it. It's hard enough getting insurance to pay for things the people dying at my clinic need like PET/CT scans and IV drugs. God forbid the person dying of CANCER needs a scan so we can determine if we've made any progress at all.

Hopefully this keeps up the potential it is showing. Chemotherapy works for some but the side effects can be awful. This sounds like a GREAT thing if it works out.

eribrav · 10-14-2007, 10:48 AM

I work in a cancer center.
There is a research lab across the street that has been curing cancer in mice for years and years. So have many other labs across the world. Next mouse I treat with cancer is going to do great. Unfortunately a mouse is not a human being, not even close.

yellowchef I'm sorry but you don't really sound like you have a clue how drug development works. It's not up to "America" to support this or not. It's a company with an idea. There are hundreds of them out there. If their idea is really a good one it will attract plenty of funding and drug development will proceed in humans. During the time it is an experimental therapy health insurance companies won't have to cover it because the company will have to supply the agent for free, to patients enrolled in their clinical trials. If it pans out as great as you hope, and makes it all the way to FDA approval, then why exactly wouldn't companies cover it?

yellowchef · 10-14-2007, 12:46 PM

I know how it works, my mom spent years in it actually. I work in insurance billing for a cancer center and we get denial after denial for FDA approved drugs that are out of clinical trials(Abraxane, Taxotere, Procrit, Herceptin) because they're IV drugs, they're too experimental, they're 2nd and 3rd tier drugs. We do find ways to get these drugs for our patients but the red tape with the insurance companies is completely aggravating.

You're right, it's not up to America to support. The drug companies will happily sell and market it all day long. I never said the FDA won't approve it, I never said it won't be marketed, I just know it will take a long time to go over like it should here.

It will get used because companies will have patient assistance programs(which overall are AMAZING) charities will support the progress and potential, foundations will go out of their way to help those who turn to them.

I'm sure if this continues well the FDA will be all over this. I'd love it if this worked out.

analog · 10-14-2007, 03:06 PM

I stopped paying attention to cancer cures a while ago... so many have seemed so promising, but they don't pan out in humans.

When they finally say, "it worked in* a human", then everyone (including myself) will sit up and take notice. They're making great strides and good discoveries, but haven't gotten it for real yet.

*IN a human, not in a human blood sample or tissue culture, but IN an actual person's whole, living body.

pai mei · 10-14-2007, 11:03 PM

What company would say "Look this weed ( or any other cheap thing and impossible to patent as an invention) , cures cancer, quick use it" ?
None

Esen · 10-15-2007, 02:16 AM

Well hopefully one day

MSD · 10-15-2007, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pai mei

What company would say "Look this weed ( or any other cheap thing and impossible to patent as an invention) , cures cancer, quick use it" ?
None

None, because there is no such product known to the developed world to cure cancer. If such a cure were found, corporations would bottle it, package it, and make sure we all knew the importance of taking it daily for our whole lives.

10-14-2007, 09:31 AM	#2 (permalink)
yellowchef Addict Location: Shalimar, FL	Too bad America won't support something like this. Or it will be so expensive, so risky and so experimental 99.9999999999999999 of health insurance companies won't cover it. It's hard enough getting insurance to pay for things the people dying at my clinic need like PET/CT scans and IV drugs. God forbid the person dying of CANCER needs a scan so we can determine if we've made any progress at all. Hopefully this keeps up the potential it is showing. Chemotherapy works for some but the side effects can be awful. This sounds like a GREAT thing if it works out. __________________ the voices in your head are not real--but they still have some really great ideas. always remeber you can choose your friends, but you can't choose your family. But..you CAN choose the insane asylum where you have them all put away!

10-14-2007, 12:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
yellowchef Addict Location: Shalimar, FL	I know how it works, my mom spent years in it actually. I work in insurance billing for a cancer center and we get denial after denial for FDA approved drugs that are out of clinical trials(Abraxane, Taxotere, Procrit, Herceptin) because they're IV drugs, they're too experimental, they're 2nd and 3rd tier drugs. We do find ways to get these drugs for our patients but the red tape with the insurance companies is completely aggravating. You're right, it's not up to America to support. The drug companies will happily sell and market it all day long. I never said the FDA won't approve it, I never said it won't be marketed, I just know it will take a long time to go over like it should here. It will get used because companies will have patient assistance programs(which overall are AMAZING) charities will support the progress and potential, foundations will go out of their way to help those who turn to them. I'm sure if this continues well the FDA will be all over this. I'd love it if this worked out. __________________ the voices in your head are not real--but they still have some really great ideas. always remeber you can choose your friends, but you can't choose your family. But..you CAN choose the insane asylum where you have them all put away!

10-15-2007, 02:16 AM	#7 (permalink)
Esen TFPer formaly known as Chauncey Location: North East	Well hopefully one day __________________ ~Esen What is everyone doing in my room?

10-14-2007, 10:48 AM	#3 (permalink)
eribrav Junkie Location: upstate NY	I work in a cancer center. There is a research lab across the street that has been curing cancer in mice for years and years. So have many other labs across the world. Next mouse I treat with cancer is going to do great. Unfortunately a mouse is not a human being, not even close. yellowchef I'm sorry but you don't really sound like you have a clue how drug development works. It's not up to "America" to support this or not. It's a company with an idea. There are hundreds of them out there. If their idea is really a good one it will attract plenty of funding and drug development will proceed in humans. During the time it is an experimental therapy health insurance companies won't have to cover it because the company will have to supply the agent for free, to patients enrolled in their clinical trials. If it pans out as great as you hope, and makes it all the way to FDA approval, then why exactly wouldn't companies cover it?

10-14-2007, 03:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
analog Banned	I stopped paying attention to cancer cures a while ago... so many have seemed so promising, but they don't pan out in humans. When they finally say, "it worked in* a human", then everyone (including myself) will sit up and take notice. They're making great strides and good discoveries, but haven't gotten it for real yet. *IN a human, not in a human blood sample or tissue culture, but IN an actual person's whole, living body.

10-14-2007, 11:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
pai mei Insane	What company would say "Look this weed ( or any other cheap thing and impossible to patent as an invention) , cures cancer, quick use it" ? None