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Old 09-27-2007, 03:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Navy to change barracks that resembling swastika

The navy will spend as much as $600,000 the change the appearance of these barracks from the air.

heres the link to the slide-show from NBC.

http://www.nbc5.com/slideshow/news/14217366/detail.html
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Old 09-27-2007, 03:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I head that no one will be ticked off by their new design that look like three Ks in a row.
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Old 09-27-2007, 04:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Politically correct for only $600,000!

Tax dollars well spent. Oh-yeah.
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Old 09-27-2007, 05:43 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Tax dollars well spent. Oh-yeah.
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Old 09-27-2007, 05:46 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Next thing ya know... the Washington Monument will be considered too phallic for youngsters to view.
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Old 09-27-2007, 05:50 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I would have taken the $600,000 to stand outside the building and tell people to stop being so fucking oversensitive.
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Old 09-27-2007, 05:52 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Old 09-27-2007, 05:52 PM   #8 (permalink)
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For $600,000? I didn't commit genocide and I'm not racist, so who cares?
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Old 09-27-2007, 06:01 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Somebody cares.

$600,000 worth, too.

They think buildings are guilty, too!
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Old 09-27-2007, 06:13 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Maybe I should read the article. For all I know, Jews were gassed in in. If that were the case, it would make sense to remodel, and clean up a bit.
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Old 09-27-2007, 06:14 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I think it's stupid to change them now, but didn't they do a frigging ground plan for this place? Nobody noticed??
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Old 09-27-2007, 06:16 PM   #12 (permalink)
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EXAMPLE: Kinda like the Harry Potter vibrating broomstick kid's toy.

Any mild pervert could have seen that being used by needy girls.
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:05 AM   #13 (permalink)
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some designer was concerned about maximum space use on the lot available, and never saw this coming down the pipe- I wonder what one could find from the air if one looked, and how much one could find a way to cash in on it for. seriously, who looks at a building from the air...... (till now anyway)
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Old 09-28-2007, 02:28 AM   #14 (permalink)
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OK, normally I don't go in for catering to people being oversensitive but in this case, this design is extremely retarded and offensive. It very, very strongly represents the symbolism of a regime that killed 6 million or so Jews and tried to wipe them off the face of the planet. I think its fair to spend a few bucks to change it.
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Old 09-28-2007, 02:42 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Oh yeah? Well I say it's the most holy symbol of Hinduism and Jainism and I object to somebody wiping away one of the few physical manifestations of it in the western world. /sarcasm

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Old 09-28-2007, 02:45 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Old 09-28-2007, 03:48 AM   #17 (permalink)
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I would have taken the $600,000 to stand outside the building and tell people to stop being so fucking oversensitive.
I'd do it for half that.

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Nobody noticed??
People weren't such whiney bitchers and moaners in the 60s apparently.

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It very, very strongly represents the symbolism of a regime that killed 6 million or so Jews and tried to wipe them off the face of the planet.
I only resembles the symbolism of a hateful regime. It in no way represents it. It more closely resembles a symbol used many generations before Hitler ever thought of it or even saw it.
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Old 09-28-2007, 04:30 AM   #18 (permalink)
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some designer was concerned about maximum space use on the lot available, and never saw this coming down the pipe- I wonder what one could find from the air if one looked, and how much one could find a way to cash in on it for. seriously, who looks at a building from the air...... (till now anyway)
They saw it coming down the pipe but wasn't worried for two reasons: 1 - Google maps didnt exist when those barracks were built back in the 1960's. 2- NAS Coronado, like all military installations has a no-fly zone around it, so the general population woud never see this building from the air.
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Old 09-28-2007, 08:23 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I don't think fixing this is "political correctness" - just common sense and courtesy when dealing with something that is more than "touchy" for Jewish people.

On a sidebard, given how much the US military spends on trying to take over the the rest of the world, I'd think 600K wouldn't even be a drop in the bucket. It's like, half a cruise missile. Just hold off on firing one of those puppies next month.



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They saw it coming down the pipe but wasn't worried for two reasons: 1 - Google maps didnt exist when those barracks were built back in the 1960's. 2- NAS Coronado, like all military installations has a no-fly zone around it, so the general population woud never see this building from the air.
You know, even so, you'd imagine that someone in a position of responsibility would have seen an overall blueprint (common when building something, those blueprints) and said: "Whoa, didn't we just beat the Nazis and liberate some death camps?"
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Old 09-28-2007, 08:30 AM   #20 (permalink)
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That's very, very retarded. People these days are too fucking oversensitive.
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Old 09-28-2007, 01:23 PM   #21 (permalink)
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It's like editing old charlie chapman movies because his mustache resembles hitlers.
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Old 09-28-2007, 03:08 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I think it's stupid to change them now, but didn't they do a frigging ground plan for this place? Nobody noticed??
Unlikely. It's not as if the whole facility wasn't laid out on a drawing before they built it.
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Old 09-28-2007, 04:50 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Anyone have any idea how this will be fixed? Build a giant umbrella over it? :goofy:
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Old 09-28-2007, 07:02 PM   #24 (permalink)
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and who are the people being offended by this? are there that many people flying over the barracks to look down and get upset?
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Old 09-29-2007, 04:13 AM   #25 (permalink)
 
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this is retarded beyond understanding. such a waste of money!
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Old 09-29-2007, 05:14 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Old 09-29-2007, 06:08 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Old 09-29-2007, 06:15 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I don't think fixing this is "political correctness" - just common sense and courtesy when dealing with something that is more than "touchy" for Jewish people.
What about the common sense and courtesy of not eradicating everything that resembles a sacred symbol of numerous religions? People have gotten over the stigma surrounding the iron cross and now it's a major commercial logo for many.
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Old 09-29-2007, 07:10 AM   #29 (permalink)
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What about the common sense and courtesy of not eradicating everything that resembles a sacred symbol of numerous religions? People have gotten over the stigma surrounding the iron cross and now it's a major commercial logo for many.
I think you'll find any company using a swastika for a logo would soon be out of business.

You know, this is the point that all the people bringing up "swastikas are symbols of X-religion": I don't think there are that many people claiming the Hindus or whoever uses the symbol should change it. It is recognized that it may play a role in their religion.

But this is a US government building that serves no religious purpose, so there's no comparison. Some idiot architect screwed up the design and now someone wants to fix it. Might be fair to do given the millions of Jewish taxpayers (let alone any Slavs or other people massacred by the Nazis).

I know it very au courant here at TFP to be "anti-politically correct" - but, IMO, this is not one of those times where that trend makes sense. It would be bizarre to think that keeping it as is would be better than changing it, given the deep and meaningful satisfaction it would give the Jews and others.

And, it's not like it's going to cost a mint to do either - 600K might be a lot to the average citizen, but it's sweet F-all to the trillion dollar US military.
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Old 09-29-2007, 07:29 AM   #30 (permalink)
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We should level all of those churches and other buildings which resemble a cross-shape, because of all those tortured and killed by the various Inquisitors. Clearly.
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Old 09-29-2007, 07:31 AM   #31 (permalink)
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We should level all of those churches and other buildings which resemble a cross-shape, because of all those tortured and killed by the various Inquisitors. Clearly.
I was thinking exactly the same thing.
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Old 09-29-2007, 12:04 PM   #32 (permalink)
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We should level all of those churches and other buildings which resemble a cross-shape, because of all those tortured and killed by the various Inquisitors. Clearly.
And what about all the good things Hitler did?

Agreed this is a waste of time an money. That's one of the things that governments do. Now if only the government would do something worthwhile with all our tax money. Like, I don't know, an interstate highway system. An institute of National Healthcare or something.

For my money, there are so many other, stupider things that the government does that this doesn't even begin to rate.
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I think you'll find any company using a swastika for a logo would soon be out of business.

You know, this is the point that all the people bringing up "swastikas are symbols of X-religion": I don't think there are that many people claiming the Hindus or whoever uses the symbol should change it. It is recognized that it may play a role in their religion.

But this is a US government building that serves no religious purpose, so there's no comparison. Some idiot architect screwed up the design and now someone wants to fix it. Might be fair to do given the millions of Jewish taxpayers (let alone any Slavs or other people massacred by the Nazis).

I know it very au courant here at TFP to be "anti-politically correct" - but, IMO, this is not one of those times where that trend makes sense. It would be bizarre to think that keeping it as is would be better than changing it, given the deep and meaningful satisfaction it would give the Jews and others.

And, it's not like it's going to cost a mint to do either - 600K might be a lot to the average citizen, but it's sweet F-all to the trillion dollar US military.
I'm a Jew and I've expressed my opinion on the subject and stand by it. It's ridiculous.
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Old 09-29-2007, 12:54 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I'm not a Jew and I think it is stupid... still... yes.
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Old 09-29-2007, 02:15 PM   #35 (permalink)
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OK, normally I don't go in for catering to people being oversensitive but in this case, this design is extremely retarded and offensive. It very, very strongly represents the symbolism of a regime that killed 6 million or so Jews and tried to wipe them off the face of the planet. I think its fair to spend a few bucks to change it.
Not to mention 25 million Russians.

600k in building renos gets you a new parking lot these days.
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Old 09-29-2007, 04:22 PM   #36 (permalink)
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MAYBE they're going to put a bouncy castle on top of it?
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Old 09-29-2007, 05:22 PM   #37 (permalink)
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So you are saying that just because the military has ass loads of tax payers money it is okay for them to waste another 600k? Doesn't make sense to me.
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Old 09-29-2007, 07:24 PM   #38 (permalink)
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That $600,000 could have bought my guys body armor that fit right, too.
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Old 09-30-2007, 09:55 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Pah, silly. Just tell people to look at it from a different point of view... Could be a weird, "x". >.>
Hitler came, he did naughty stuff, and he killed himself. End of story. People need to get over it.
And £300,000 to replace some buildings?!!? That's just insane, why not put that into schooling, or something actually important?
Ssrsly, America has 51(?) states and GOD knows how many people there. Who the hell is going to care about an area that's one square mile, if even that?
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Old 09-30-2007, 11:12 AM   #40 (permalink)
 
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there's nothing pc about this.

it is incomprehensible that a building design could be generated, approved and the building built apparently without anyone actually looking at the floor plan.
how else do you explain that the building was shaped like a fucking swastika in the first place, but that no-one in the navy noticed?

this is where the stupidity lay, folks:

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Navy officials say the shape of the buildings, designed by local architect John Mock, was not noted until after the groundbreaking in 1967 -- and since it was not visible from the ground, a decision was made not to make any changes.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...la-home-center


and not in the responses.


the proximate cause is google earth--not some fantasy "political correctness"--you know, that happy face of total satellitle surveillance.
now we are getting used to continuously available aerial views of landscapes and in some situations that causes embarrassment. like this one.

so the 600 grand is being spent to rectify an amazingly stupid error from 1966--the approval of the design.
anyone----except the "anti-pc set" in this thread apparently--would see the 2007 situation as an unintended consequence of that 1967 decision.


the use of this meaningless phrase "politically correct" in this thread is baffling.
its consequence is to enable folk to somehow pretend to themselves that the building just sprouted from the ground in the shape of a swastika and so objecting to that is like objecting to a flower shaped like a swastika.
so the "problem" lay in the reponses.
and that, folks, is ridiculous.
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