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SSJTWIZTA 09-27-2007 03:12 PM

Navy to change barracks that resembling swastika
 
The navy will spend as much as $600,000 the change the appearance of these barracks from the air.

heres the link to the slide-show from NBC.

http://www.nbc5.com/slideshow/news/14217366/detail.html

JohnBua 09-27-2007 03:50 PM

I head that no one will be ticked off by their new design that look like three Ks in a row.

Plan9 09-27-2007 04:46 PM

Politically correct for only $600,000!

Tax dollars well spent. Oh-yeah.

Seaver 09-27-2007 05:43 PM

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Politically correct for only $600,000!

Tax dollars well spent. Oh-yeah.
/win

Plan9 09-27-2007 05:46 PM

Next thing ya know... the Washington Monument will be considered too phallic for youngsters to view.

Willravel 09-27-2007 05:50 PM

I would have taken the $600,000 to stand outside the building and tell people to stop being so fucking oversensitive.

Plan9 09-27-2007 05:52 PM

While wearing an armband?

Willravel 09-27-2007 05:52 PM

For $600,000? I didn't commit genocide and I'm not racist, so who cares?

Plan9 09-27-2007 06:01 PM

Somebody cares.

$600,000 worth, too.

They think buildings are guilty, too!

Willravel 09-27-2007 06:13 PM

Maybe I should read the article. For all I know, Jews were gassed in in. If that were the case, it would make sense to remodel, and clean up a bit.

mixedmedia 09-27-2007 06:14 PM

I think it's stupid to change them now, but didn't they do a frigging ground plan for this place? Nobody noticed??

Plan9 09-27-2007 06:16 PM

EXAMPLE: Kinda like the Harry Potter vibrating broomstick kid's toy.

Any mild pervert could have seen that being used by needy girls.

Fire 09-28-2007 12:05 AM

some designer was concerned about maximum space use on the lot available, and never saw this coming down the pipe- I wonder what one could find from the air if one looked, and how much one could find a way to cash in on it for. seriously, who looks at a building from the air...... (till now anyway)

highthief 09-28-2007 02:28 AM

OK, normally I don't go in for catering to people being oversensitive but in this case, this design is extremely retarded and offensive. It very, very strongly represents the symbolism of a regime that killed 6 million or so Jews and tried to wipe them off the face of the planet. I think its fair to spend a few bucks to change it.

Nisses 09-28-2007 02:42 AM

Oh yeah? Well I say it's the most holy symbol of Hinduism and Jainism and I object to somebody wiping away one of the few physical manifestations of it in the western world. /sarcasm

Political Correctness will be the death of common logic.

Plan9 09-28-2007 02:45 AM

And lotsa money better spent on government-sponsored spike pits.

Psycho Dad 09-28-2007 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by willravel
I would have taken the $600,000 to stand outside the building and tell people to stop being so fucking oversensitive.

I'd do it for half that.

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia
Nobody noticed??

People weren't such whiney bitchers and moaners in the 60s apparently.

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Originally Posted by highthief
It very, very strongly represents the symbolism of a regime that killed 6 million or so Jews and tried to wipe them off the face of the planet.

I only resembles the symbolism of a hateful regime. It in no way represents it. It more closely resembles a symbol used many generations before Hitler ever thought of it or even saw it.

QuasiMondo 09-28-2007 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Fire
some designer was concerned about maximum space use on the lot available, and never saw this coming down the pipe- I wonder what one could find from the air if one looked, and how much one could find a way to cash in on it for. seriously, who looks at a building from the air...... (till now anyway)

They saw it coming down the pipe but wasn't worried for two reasons: 1 - Google maps didnt exist when those barracks were built back in the 1960's. 2- NAS Coronado, like all military installations has a no-fly zone around it, so the general population woud never see this building from the air.

highthief 09-28-2007 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Nisses
Political Correctness will be the death of common logic.

I don't think fixing this is "political correctness" - just common sense and courtesy when dealing with something that is more than "touchy" for Jewish people.

On a sidebard, given how much the US military spends on trying to take over the the rest of the world, I'd think 600K wouldn't even be a drop in the bucket. It's like, half a cruise missile. Just hold off on firing one of those puppies next month.

:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by QuasiMondo
They saw it coming down the pipe but wasn't worried for two reasons: 1 - Google maps didnt exist when those barracks were built back in the 1960's. 2- NAS Coronado, like all military installations has a no-fly zone around it, so the general population woud never see this building from the air.

You know, even so, you'd imagine that someone in a position of responsibility would have seen an overall blueprint (common when building something, those blueprints) and said: "Whoa, didn't we just beat the Nazis and liberate some death camps?"

LoganSnake 09-28-2007 08:30 AM

That's very, very retarded. People these days are too fucking oversensitive.

Slims 09-28-2007 01:23 PM

It's like editing old charlie chapman movies because his mustache resembles hitlers.

kutulu 09-28-2007 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia
I think it's stupid to change them now, but didn't they do a frigging ground plan for this place? Nobody noticed??

Unlikely. It's not as if the whole facility wasn't laid out on a drawing before they built it.

Craven Morehead 09-28-2007 04:50 PM

Anyone have any idea how this will be fixed? Build a giant umbrella over it? :goofy:

squeeeb 09-28-2007 07:02 PM

and who are the people being offended by this? are there that many people flying over the barracks to look down and get upset?

MexicanOnABike 09-29-2007 04:13 AM

this is retarded beyond understanding. such a waste of money!

Ourcrazymodern? 09-29-2007 05:14 AM

Transparently roof the atria and grow orchids.

Fuck the symbolism.

Charlatan 09-29-2007 06:08 AM

I am offended that someone doesn't know how Charlie Chaplin is spelled...

MSD 09-29-2007 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by highthief
I don't think fixing this is "political correctness" - just common sense and courtesy when dealing with something that is more than "touchy" for Jewish people.

What about the common sense and courtesy of not eradicating everything that resembles a sacred symbol of numerous religions? People have gotten over the stigma surrounding the iron cross and now it's a major commercial logo for many.

highthief 09-29-2007 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MrSelfDestruct
What about the common sense and courtesy of not eradicating everything that resembles a sacred symbol of numerous religions? People have gotten over the stigma surrounding the iron cross and now it's a major commercial logo for many.

I think you'll find any company using a swastika for a logo would soon be out of business.

You know, this is the point that all the people bringing up "swastikas are symbols of X-religion": I don't think there are that many people claiming the Hindus or whoever uses the symbol should change it. It is recognized that it may play a role in their religion.

But this is a US government building that serves no religious purpose, so there's no comparison. Some idiot architect screwed up the design and now someone wants to fix it. Might be fair to do given the millions of Jewish taxpayers (let alone any Slavs or other people massacred by the Nazis).

I know it very au courant here at TFP to be "anti-politically correct" - but, IMO, this is not one of those times where that trend makes sense. It would be bizarre to think that keeping it as is would be better than changing it, given the deep and meaningful satisfaction it would give the Jews and others.

And, it's not like it's going to cost a mint to do either - 600K might be a lot to the average citizen, but it's sweet F-all to the trillion dollar US military.

seretogis 09-29-2007 07:29 AM

We should level all of those churches and other buildings which resemble a cross-shape, because of all those tortured and killed by the various Inquisitors. Clearly.

Cynthetiq 09-29-2007 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by seretogis
We should level all of those churches and other buildings which resemble a cross-shape, because of all those tortured and killed by the various Inquisitors. Clearly.

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

Tophat665 09-29-2007 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by seretogis
We should level all of those churches and other buildings which resemble a cross-shape, because of all those tortured and killed by the various Inquisitors. Clearly.

And what about all the good things Hitler did? :paranoid:

Agreed this is a waste of time an money. That's one of the things that governments do. Now if only the government would do something worthwhile with all our tax money. Like, I don't know, an interstate highway system. An institute of National Healthcare or something.

For my money, there are so many other, stupider things that the government does that this doesn't even begin to rate.:shakehead:

LoganSnake 09-29-2007 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by highthief
I think you'll find any company using a swastika for a logo would soon be out of business.

You know, this is the point that all the people bringing up "swastikas are symbols of X-religion": I don't think there are that many people claiming the Hindus or whoever uses the symbol should change it. It is recognized that it may play a role in their religion.

But this is a US government building that serves no religious purpose, so there's no comparison. Some idiot architect screwed up the design and now someone wants to fix it. Might be fair to do given the millions of Jewish taxpayers (let alone any Slavs or other people massacred by the Nazis).

I know it very au courant here at TFP to be "anti-politically correct" - but, IMO, this is not one of those times where that trend makes sense. It would be bizarre to think that keeping it as is would be better than changing it, given the deep and meaningful satisfaction it would give the Jews and others.

And, it's not like it's going to cost a mint to do either - 600K might be a lot to the average citizen, but it's sweet F-all to the trillion dollar US military.

I'm a Jew and I've expressed my opinion on the subject and stand by it. It's ridiculous.

Plan9 09-29-2007 12:54 PM

I'm not a Jew and I think it is stupid... still... yes.

james t kirk 09-29-2007 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by highthief
OK, normally I don't go in for catering to people being oversensitive but in this case, this design is extremely retarded and offensive. It very, very strongly represents the symbolism of a regime that killed 6 million or so Jews and tried to wipe them off the face of the planet. I think its fair to spend a few bucks to change it.

Not to mention 25 million Russians.

600k in building renos gets you a new parking lot these days.

Plan9 09-29-2007 04:22 PM

MAYBE they're going to put a bouncy castle on top of it?

blahblah454 09-29-2007 05:22 PM

So you are saying that just because the military has ass loads of tax payers money it is okay for them to waste another 600k? Doesn't make sense to me.

Plan9 09-29-2007 07:24 PM

That $600,000 could have bought my guys body armor that fit right, too.

Chiyachan 09-30-2007 09:55 AM

Pah, silly. Just tell people to look at it from a different point of view... Could be a weird, "x". >.>
Hitler came, he did naughty stuff, and he killed himself. End of story. People need to get over it.
And £300,000 to replace some buildings?!!? That's just insane, why not put that into schooling, or something actually important?
Ssrsly, America has 51(?) states and GOD knows how many people there. Who the hell is going to care about an area that's one square mile, if even that?

roachboy 09-30-2007 11:12 AM

there's nothing pc about this.

it is incomprehensible that a building design could be generated, approved and the building built apparently without anyone actually looking at the floor plan.
how else do you explain that the building was shaped like a fucking swastika in the first place, but that no-one in the navy noticed?

this is where the stupidity lay, folks:

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Navy officials say the shape of the buildings, designed by local architect John Mock, was not noted until after the groundbreaking in 1967 -- and since it was not visible from the ground, a decision was made not to make any changes.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...la-home-center


and not in the responses.


the proximate cause is google earth--not some fantasy "political correctness"--you know, that happy face of total satellitle surveillance.
now we are getting used to continuously available aerial views of landscapes and in some situations that causes embarrassment. like this one.

so the 600 grand is being spent to rectify an amazingly stupid error from 1966--the approval of the design.
anyone----except the "anti-pc set" in this thread apparently--would see the 2007 situation as an unintended consequence of that 1967 decision.


the use of this meaningless phrase "politically correct" in this thread is baffling.
its consequence is to enable folk to somehow pretend to themselves that the building just sprouted from the ground in the shape of a swastika and so objecting to that is like objecting to a flower shaped like a swastika.
so the "problem" lay in the reponses.
and that, folks, is ridiculous.

Plan9 09-30-2007 02:05 PM

Potential embarrassment from an aerial view is a good reason to correct something.

Got it.

...

Color me retarded. Explain the context of said "embarassment" in a way that it doesn't relate to them playing CYA games (40 years later) in an effort to not offend anyone.

Maybe the trite, meaningless buzz words are lacking, but this situation still strikes me as a big a waste of funds as those infamous $80 toilet seats we were using in Iraq.

I like trite, meaningless buzz words. I use them extensively.

Meh. Solecism.

BadNick 10-01-2007 06:16 AM

There are other examples that I've seen of this symbol on buildings where it can easily be seen by anybody walking by, and it's crossed my mind why people haven't made more of a fuss about these.

Here's one on a local fire department building, look at the top brick face just below the peak:
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g2...t/DSCN1224.jpg

Plan9 10-01-2007 10:50 AM

Oh No!

Burn It Down!

Hell, a swastika-esque symbol of any type (regardless of direction of spin) is evil!

buu2 10-01-2007 11:38 AM

Well, it's still less than half a day in Iraq for political correctness. Then again, the navy has never been known as a place for acceptance of other races and religions, so this seems a bit strange.

sscott 10-03-2007 08:59 AM

I can understand fixing it if it was just a minor aspect of the building, but in this case its the WHOLE building. I guess landscaping might mask it a little, but for christs sake just let it alone. I wonder why it took people so long to notice it, you would think it would have been obvious when they were building it

BadNick 10-03-2007 10:28 AM

I hate to beat a dead swastika, but I wonder how many who object to the building actually looked at photos of the site. Sure, from a satellite it might look like one thing since you can't see actual details, just a vague impression. If something looks "bad" only when you squint or blurr your eyes, does that mean it's "bad"?

With the bushes/trees/garden taking up a major part at the center of the cross, I think it's sort of a big leap in imagery to even make it out to be a swastika. To me it looks like four "L" shaped structures with a garden at the center. Ignore the garden and imagine the buildings being connected, then it looks like the unfounded claims.

SSJTWIZTA 10-03-2007 10:36 AM

:rolleyes:i must have seen one too many WWII movies growing up then, because i see a swastika.

Plan9 10-03-2007 10:38 AM

I like how somebody drew up a floor plan that looked a lot like a swastika and nobody said anything about it. Especially since WWII was still fresh in our minds at the time.

Hell, it isn't even an effective building shape.

Dane Bramage 10-04-2007 06:06 AM

hrm... i wonder if halliburton got the contract.

:rolleyes:

MrTia 10-04-2007 06:14 AM

http://images.politico.com/global/07...on10-2_600.jpg


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