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viveleroi0 · 06-17-2003, 05:14 PM

This could go in the politics section, or even the computer section, but's more than that.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...nloading_music

This is the dumbest idea I have ever come from DC, and that's not saying much.

I went this guys website and wrote I thought. Also seen on slashdot.org

cheerios · 06-17-2003, 05:18 PM

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Hatch Takes Aim at Illegal Downloading
By TED BRIDIS, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee (news - web sites) said Tuesday he favors developing new technology to remotely destroy the computers of people who illegally download music from the Internet.

The surprise remarks by Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, during a hearing on copyright abuses represent a dramatic escalation in the frustrating battle by industry executives and lawmakers in Washington against illegal music downloads.

During a discussion on methods to frustrate computer users who illegally exchange music and movie files over the Internet, Hatch asked technology executives about ways to damage computers involved in such file trading. Legal experts have said any such attack would violate federal anti-hacking laws.

"No one is interested in destroying anyone's computer," replied Randy Saaf of MediaDefender Inc., a secretive Los Angeles company that builds technology to disrupt music downloads. One technique deliberately downloads pirated material very slowly so other users can't.

"I'm interested," Hatch interrupted. He said damaging someone's computer "may be the only way you can teach somebody about copyrights."

The senator, a composer who earned $18,000 last year in song writing royalties, acknowledged Congress would have to enact an exemption for copyright owners from liability for damaging computers. He endorsed technology that would twice warn a computer user about illegal online behavior, "then destroy their computer."

"If we can find some way to do this without destroying their machines, we'd be interested in hearing about that," Hatch said. "If that's the only way, then I'm all for destroying their machines. If you have a few hundred thousand of those, I think people would realize" the seriousness of their actions, he said.

"There's no excuse for anyone violating copyright laws," Hatch said.

Sen. Patrick Leahy, the committee's senior Democrat, later said the problem is serious but called Hatch's idea too drastic a remedy to be considered.

"The rights of copyright holders need to be protected, but some Draconian remedies that have been suggested would create more problems than they would solve," Leahy, D-Vt., said in a statement. "We need to work together to find the right answers, and this is not one of them."

Rep. Rick Boucher, D-Va., who has been active in copyright debates in Washington, urged Hatch to reconsider. Boucher described Hatch's role as chairman of the Judiciary Committee as "a very important position, so when Senator Hatch indicates his views with regard to a particular subject, we all take those views very seriously."

A spokesman for the Recording Industry Association of America (news - web sites), Jonathan Lamy, said Hatch was "apparently making a metaphorical point that if peer-to-peer networks don't take reasonable steps to prevent massive copyright infringement on the systems they create, Congress may be forced to consider stronger measures." The RIAA represents the major music labels.

Some legal experts suggested Hatch's provocative remarks were more likely intended to compel technology and music executives to work faster toward ways to protect copyrights online than to signal forthcoming legislation.

"It's just the frustration of those who are looking at enforcing laws that are proving very hard to enforce," said Orin Kerr, a former Justice Department (news - web sites) cybercrimes prosecutor and associate professor at George Washington University law school.

The entertainment industry has gradually escalated its fight against Internet file-traders, targeting the most egregious pirates with civil lawsuits. The Recording Industry Association of America recently won a federal court decision making it significantly easier to identify and track consumers ? even those hiding behind aliases ? using popular Internet file-sharing software.

Kerr predicted it was "extremely unlikely" for Congress to approve a hacking exemption for copyright owners, partly because of risks of collateral damage when innocent users might be wrongly targeted.

"It wouldn't work," Kerr said. "There's no way of limiting the damage."

WhoaitsZ · 06-17-2003, 05:30 PM

damn. i thought I had overly extreme action ideals.

the guy is coocoo to think this possible.

Nappa · 06-17-2003, 05:44 PM

Nice to see rational thought in the government. Christ.

Slims · 06-17-2003, 06:42 PM

What if it's a school computer? how can they verify that the person who is downloading the music is the owner of the computer that they want to destroy?
Isn't destruction of property/vandalism a little more severe than copyright infringement?

krwlz · 06-17-2003, 06:49 PM

They would cause themselves so many problems by doing this. So many lawsuits. So much vandalism by civilians....

The_Dude · 06-17-2003, 07:02 PM

he wants to ""then destroy their computer."

i dont think that he knows that this is practically impossible by using software.

btw, i'd like to point out that he's a republican

Sparhawk · 06-17-2003, 07:06 PM

I think it's time to download some orrin hatch tunes, y'all with me?

yatzr · 06-17-2003, 08:41 PM

Wow...just when i think i've heard the dumbest thing in the world...someone in the government opens their mouth. I don't think that they'll ever EVER be able to stop people from downloading music. Maybe movies and other large files, but mp3's are everywhere. Besides...i really don't see the crime in it. I personally don't think it's that fair that a musician can spend a few weeks in a studio and live off of it...if they want more money they should do more concerts and tours. I also think that the majority of record labels are bullshit because they don't allow musicians to do what they really want and then they sit and reap the rewards of their musicians talent. Anyway...when someone makes some software than can destroy a computer...i will send hitler a nice winter coat.

YourNeverThere · 06-17-2003, 08:57 PM

i think hes just pissed off because no one is downloading his music.

BTW WhoaitsZ, i liked your old avatar better then this one! a well.

Pyrate · 06-18-2003, 01:37 AM

Whooooooooooah!!! That shit's deep!

platypus · 06-18-2003, 04:32 AM

This guy's fucking nitwit. He's got his head so far RIAA's ass he can't even see daylight. Next he'll want to chop off hands for stealing, tongues for lying, and I don't even want to imagine the penalty for adultery.

Daval · 06-18-2003, 04:39 AM

wow, he's kinda psycho!

lurkette · 06-18-2003, 05:09 AM

This is ridiculous. If the RIAA would pull its own head out of its ass it would realize that it's pitting an outdated bureaucracy that even the artists hate, against the creativity and poverty of a bunch of users who are collectively smarter and more determined, and will figure out a way to circumvent whatever limitations are placed on them. If they were smart the RIAA would figure out a way to cut its losses and start playing the game. $20 for a CD is rifuckingdiculous when the artist makes like <$1 on the sale, and the whole thing costs about $1.50 to produce. They're greedy bastards and it will bury them.

Charlatan · 06-18-2003, 05:53 AM

What's next? You shoplifted so we are going to remove ability to do this in the future... "Off with your hands!"

Bill O'Rights · 06-18-2003, 06:03 AM

Government of big business, by big business and for big business.

Ashton · 06-18-2003, 06:26 AM

That would be the Ultimate Bigity Ban Button.... someone flames you so you push teh red button and smoke their hard drive! LOL

06-18-2003, 07:03 AM

I'm guessing the senator is just trying to get his name in the papers again, by spouting out something way controversial.

The_Dude · 06-18-2003, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Charlatan
What's next? You shoplifted so we are going to remove ability to do this in the future... "Off with your hands!"

call in mr ashcroft

krwlz · 06-18-2003, 07:34 AM

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Originally posted by The_Dude

btw, i'd like to point out that he's a republican

I am pretty hardcore republican, but I would like to point out that dumbfucks have no specific alignment. They can be liberal, or conservative. Republican, or Democrat.

MSD · 06-18-2003, 11:04 AM

It is a very bad thing that people in the government even think of this.

A CD costs only $0.11 to produce last I checked.

It is entirely possible to destroy hardware through use of software. I ran a proof-of-concept on an old, ready-for-trashing computer, then burned the disk that contained the virus because I only wanted to know it could be done.

BBtB · 06-18-2003, 11:17 AM

Sorta off topic but record companies are a thing of the past. They are not needed any more. They are trying to stop free expression. I do not see any reason why any musician who is worth anything could not get by without the record companies. Would this be the end of studio albums? Mostly but not entirely. Would it be the end of people becoming fucking millionaires off of music? God I hope so. The RIAA sees the real truth. They are NOT fighting MP3s. They are fighting for their very existence.

butthead · 06-18-2003, 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by krwlz
I am pretty hardcore republican, but I would like to point out that dumbfucks have no specific alignment. They can be liberal, or conservative. Republican, or Democrat.

krwlz · 06-18-2003, 05:33 PM

I love it when people quote me....

Memalvada · 06-18-2003, 06:57 PM

what an a-hole

MacGnG · 06-18-2003, 07:47 PM

it will remotely destroy the computers!?!!?!?

cause exploding computers everywhere is awsome

XenuHubbard · 06-18-2003, 09:17 PM

This immediately made me think of Skeletor, for some reason.
WE... WILL... DESTROY... your COMPUUUUUTERS!!!!!!

MUUUUHAAAHAAAHAAAAH

BBtB · 06-18-2003, 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by krwlz
I love it when people quote me....

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Originally posted by Memalvada
what an a-hole

Sorry but I saw what krwlz said and I had to quote him... then I looked under him and. ... hah.

The_Dude · 06-23-2003, 08:28 AM

omfg, i just read in the houston chronicle that somebody checked the source for the site of this dude and the software used was pirated!

bobdobbs8056135 · 06-23-2003, 08:49 AM

good ole oren...always good for a laugh

krwlz · 06-23-2003, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BBtB
Sorry but I saw what krwlz said and I had to quote him... then I looked under him and. ... hah.

Well, it wouldnt be the first time I was refered to as an a-hole. Ussualy its worse....

Fade · 06-23-2003, 05:09 PM

well, Im glad that these weren't the same people in charge of operation iraqi freedom.... or were they. That would seem to explain alot...

silverback · 06-24-2003, 09:41 PM

The record companies must be giving Hatch some major cash to even come up with such a idiotic idea.

titsmurf · 06-24-2003, 10:13 PM

Well, that would definately not be abused. You don't like somebody, you download three songs on their hard drive, and their pc is smoked.

The only sollution I see, and it's pretty simple really, is to take away peoples anonimity on the internet. Then you can hold them accountable, without having to blow up their pc, or something equally retarded.

Something like a fingerprint scanner, where you have to put your thumb on a plate before you can log on to the internet, and then again each time you do something, like download a song, or do a bank transaction.

Then people could have internet-thumb on top of their mousefingers and carpal tunnel syndrome. Another step closer to creating a glorious cyborg nation.

06-17-2003, 05:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
viveleroi0 Psycho Location: Oregon	I hate idiots This could go in the politics section, or even the computer section, but's more than that. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...nloading_music This is the dumbest idea I have ever come from DC, and that's not saying much. I went this guys website and wrote I thought. Also seen on slashdot.org __________________ "It's not that I don't understand, it's that I don't care" - Homer Simpson

06-17-2003, 06:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
Slims Eccentric insomniac Location: North Carolina	What if it's a school computer? how can they verify that the person who is downloading the music is the owner of the computer that they want to destroy? Isn't destruction of property/vandalism a little more severe than copyright infringement? __________________ "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Seven Pillars of Wisdom, T.E. Lawrence

06-17-2003, 07:02 PM	#7 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	he wants to ""then destroy their computer." i dont think that he knows that this is practically impossible by using software. btw, i'd like to point out that he's a republican __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

06-17-2003, 07:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
Sparhawk Dubya Location: VA	I think it's time to download some orrin hatch tunes, y'all with me? __________________ "In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard. It's - and it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I get the casualty reports every day. I see on the TV screens how hard it is. But it's necessary work. We're making progress. It is hard work."

06-17-2003, 08:41 PM	#9 (permalink)
yatzr Insane	Wow...just when i think i've heard the dumbest thing in the world...someone in the government opens their mouth. I don't think that they'll ever EVER be able to stop people from downloading music. Maybe movies and other large files, but mp3's are everywhere. Besides...i really don't see the crime in it. I personally don't think it's that fair that a musician can spend a few weeks in a studio and live off of it...if they want more money they should do more concerts and tours. I also think that the majority of record labels are bullshit because they don't allow musicians to do what they really want and then they sit and reap the rewards of their musicians talent. Anyway...when someone makes some software than can destroy a computer...i will send hitler a nice winter coat. __________________ Mechanical Engineers build weapons. Civil Engineers build targets.

06-17-2003, 05:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	damn. i thought I had overly extreme action ideals. the guy is coocoo to think this possible.

06-17-2003, 05:44 PM	#4 (permalink)
Nappa Tilted Location: behind you!!	Nice to see rational thought in the government. Christ.

06-17-2003, 06:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
krwlz Fledgling Dead Head Location: Clarkson U.	They would cause themselves so many problems by doing this. So many lawsuits. So much vandalism by civilians....

06-17-2003, 08:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
YourNeverThere Practical Anarchist Location: Yesterday i woke up stuck in hollywood	i think hes just pissed off because no one is downloading his music. BTW WhoaitsZ, i liked your old avatar better then this one! a well. __________________ The Above post is a direct quote from Shakespeare

06-18-2003, 01:37 AM	#11 (permalink)
Pyrate Psycho Location: London, CorBlimeyLand	Whooooooooooah!!! That shit's deep! __________________ ?

06-18-2003, 04:32 AM	#12 (permalink)
platypus Essen meine kurze Hosen Location: NY Burbs	This guy's fucking nitwit. He's got his head so far RIAA's ass he can't even see daylight. Next he'll want to chop off hands for stealing, tongues for lying, and I don't even want to imagine the penalty for adultery. __________________ Out the 10Base-T, through the router, down the T1, over the leased line, off the bridge, past the firewall...nothing but Net.

06-18-2003, 04:39 AM	#13 (permalink)
Daval Junkie Location: The True North Strong and Free!	wow, he's kinda psycho! __________________ "It is impossible to obtain a conviction for sodomy from an English jury. Half of them don't believe that it can physically be done, and the other half are doing it." Winston Churchill

06-18-2003, 05:09 AM	#14 (permalink)
lurkette My future is coming on Moderator Emeritus Location: east of the sun and west of the moon	This is ridiculous. If the RIAA would pull its own head out of its ass it would realize that it's pitting an outdated bureaucracy that even the artists hate, against the creativity and poverty of a bunch of users who are collectively smarter and more determined, and will figure out a way to circumvent whatever limitations are placed on them. If they were smart the RIAA would figure out a way to cut its losses and start playing the game. $20 for a CD is rifuckingdiculous when the artist makes like <$1 on the sale, and the whole thing costs about $1.50 to produce. They're greedy bastards and it will bury them. __________________ "If ten million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing." - Anatole France

06-18-2003, 05:53 AM	#15 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	What's next? You shoplifted so we are going to remove ability to do this in the future... "Off with your hands!" __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

06-18-2003, 06:03 AM	#16 (permalink)
Bill O'Rights will always be an Alyson Hanniganite Location: In the dust of the archives	Government of big business, by big business and for big business. __________________ "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony "Hedonism with rules isn't hedonism at all, it's the Republican party." - JumpinJesus It is indisputable that true beauty lies within...but a nice rack sure doesn't hurt.

06-18-2003, 06:57 PM	#25 (permalink)
Memalvada Psycho Location: South of the border	what an a-hole __________________ "The weak are food for the strong, so die and let me feast!" - Makoto Shishio (RK)

06-18-2003, 06:26 AM	#17 (permalink)
Ashton PORNHOUND Location: California	That would be the Ultimate Bigity Ban Button.... someone flames you so you push teh red button and smoke their hard drive! LOL

06-18-2003, 07:03 AM	#18 (permalink)
Big Julie Guest	I'm guessing the senator is just trying to get his name in the papers again, by spouting out something way controversial.

06-18-2003, 11:04 AM	#21 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	It is a very bad thing that people in the government even think of this. A CD costs only $0.11 to produce last I checked. It is entirely possible to destroy hardware through use of software. I ran a proof-of-concept on an old, ready-for-trashing computer, then burned the disk that contained the virus because I only wanted to know it could be done.

06-18-2003, 11:17 AM	#22 (permalink)
BBtB ClerkMan! Location: Tulsa, Ok.	Sorta off topic but record companies are a thing of the past. They are not needed any more. They are trying to stop free expression. I do not see any reason why any musician who is worth anything could not get by without the record companies. Would this be the end of studio albums? Mostly but not entirely. Would it be the end of people becoming fucking millionaires off of music? God I hope so. The RIAA sees the real truth. They are NOT fighting MP3s. They are fighting for their very existence. __________________ Meridae'n once played "death" at a game of chess that lasted for over two years. He finally beat death in a best 34 out of 67 match. At that time he could ask for any one thing and he could wish for the hope of all mankind... he looked death right in the eye and said ... "I would like about three fiddy"

06-18-2003, 05:33 PM	#24 (permalink)
krwlz Fledgling Dead Head Location: Clarkson U.	I love it when people quote me....

06-18-2003, 07:47 PM	#26 (permalink)
MacGnG Know Where!	it will remotely destroy the computers!?!!?!? cause exploding computers everywhere is awsome

06-18-2003, 09:17 PM	#27 (permalink)
XenuHubbard Cute and Cuddly Location: Teegeeack.	This immediately made me think of Skeletor, for some reason. WE... WILL... DESTROY... your COMPUUUUUTERS!!!!!! MUUUUHAAAHAAAHAAAAH __________________ The above was written by a true prophet. Trust me. "What doesn't kill you, makes you bitter and paranoid". - SB2000

06-23-2003, 08:28 AM	#29 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	omfg, i just read in the houston chronicle that somebody checked the source for the site of this dude and the software used was pirated! __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

06-23-2003, 08:49 AM	#30 (permalink)
bobdobbs8056135 Upright Location: in the woods	good ole oren...always good for a laugh __________________ the days run over the hills like wild horses...-Bukowsky- i am the flying rodeo clown of death in qpids liberation army... lending my strange services in the noble cause of taking over the world before microsoft enslaves us all.

06-23-2003, 05:09 PM	#32 (permalink)
Fade Banned	well, Im glad that these weren't the same people in charge of operation iraqi freedom.... or were they. That would seem to explain alot...

06-24-2003, 09:41 PM	#33 (permalink)
silverback Registered User Location: texas	The record companies must be giving Hatch some major cash to even come up with such a idiotic idea.

06-24-2003, 10:13 PM	#34 (permalink)
titsmurf Crazy Location: Belgium	Well, that would definately not be abused. You don't like somebody, you download three songs on their hard drive, and their pc is smoked. The only sollution I see, and it's pretty simple really, is to take away peoples anonimity on the internet. Then you can hold them accountable, without having to blow up their pc, or something equally retarded. Something like a fingerprint scanner, where you have to put your thumb on a plate before you can log on to the internet, and then again each time you do something, like download a song, or do a bank transaction. Then people could have internet-thumb on top of their mousefingers and carpal tunnel syndrome. Another step closer to creating a glorious cyborg nation.