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The Sissification of Seattle
(the title of the article, NOT my title)
I was reading around today and came across this (I really wasn't sure which forum to put this in, so feel free to move if need be). Quote:
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I am simply taken aback that these people are spewing this garbage and spouting such hate against a nation of people that helped in the fight as patriots for american freedom. Women's clothing? Since when is a kilt womens clothing? Are they implying that just because a gay man might wear one that all of the sudden it is? Women do not wear kilts!!! The definition of "kilt" says its a MAN's form of dress, not a womens, so how can they be considered cross dressing? Ugh.....as I said previously this simply makes me embarrassed to be in any way associated with religion. You dont ever see a depiction of Jesus in pants, did that make him "gay" too? Did the people of the time wear those long "gowns" for lack of better word cause I dont know what they were called, just so they could have a quickie on the road? |
Kilts again, eh? :D
EDIT: Oh, 'Sissification' is from the derative root word 'sissy'... :rolleyes: I was about to look it up on Answers.com |
Hahah.. To refer to Utilikilts as "sissified" is ridiculous. As far as kilts go, they are the most masculine incarnation possible. I'm sure that anyone wearing a Utilikilt could hold that guy down and shove his.. er, nevermind.
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A fair number of guys around my town wear Utilikilts...it's pretty common to see at least one or two at community events. And no, they aren't sissies, or gay. Most of them are VERY manly men. Rawr. |
ya know. .. . any culture who's people hurl trees for recreation is not a culture that I want to go on record as calling their fashion sense "sissified."
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The root of the problem is a belief structure.
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"Never argue with a fool because you may just become one yourself by doing so." --attributed |
because Im pissed thats why
same reason I sometimes respond to things on TFP |
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Depends on the news organization. I know of quite a few where there is no difference at all ;)
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Maybe I should start wearing my kilt more often...
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I wouldn't even waste my time responding to this man. It is a religious paper, which in my past experiences, is written by the most close-minded people.
If he can write something that out there with so much vengeance, he's not going to be swayed from his opinion. I find it ridiculous and about choked on my cereal, which led me to having to read it to my step-daughter. We're both laughing now. That article, to quote Bill O'Really, is the most ridiculous item of the day! |
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It was clearly written to anger people, just like a troll post on a forum.
How is this any different? They're trying to get you pissed off, and you fell for it. Better to let them live in their lunacy (even if I'm not a particular fan of kilts, myself). |
The author is trolling and should be ignored as if he were any other troll.
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The author is clearly a latent, self hating homosexual who can't comprehend the glory of kilts.
This kind of thing is the cost of having free speech. Idiots are allowed to talk as much as anyone else. Quote:
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Wow, this is the first time I've ever heard of a utilikilt. Indeed, the guy in question gives a bad name to Christians, but quite honestly I wouldn't be caught dead wearing one of those. I've yet to see a person wearing one of these in Chicago area.
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I agree with you ShaniFaye, though I'm an agnostic, rather than a Christian so I don't feel ashamed. I don't think that someone wearing a kilt should be criticized for doing so. It's not something I would personally choose to do, but to eash his own. I don't like the type of hatred that many spew in the name of religion, it's good to see a person with more moderate views speak out against intolerance in the name of religion.
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Well, to play the devil's advocate on a barely-related point, I can't understand how gay culture managed to gain a reputation for good fashion sense. 90% of the stuff I see attributed to that stereotype is ugly as shit. Some of it makes me wonder if maybe Fred Phelps has a point.
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It goes like this: gay>metrosexual>the rest of us. Maybe we don't get it because we're not metro? Like we can only see one step above us. |
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This "article" makes about as much sense as writing "Dogs don't go to Heaven!" or "Pastels are gay"! If a dog is barking, are you going to stop and try to reason with the dog? No. But honestly, anything posted on a "Baptists for Brown" (who is Brown, anyways? Jerry Brown?) website--one can't be suprised, or take it seriously in any way. |
These are people supporting someone named Sam Brownback that has some delusion of running for president
I spent time today (dummy me) reading their views on other things.....big mistake. and Logansnake just because you havent seen people in chicago wearing kilts doesnt mean they arent there. Last time I was there I had dinner with no less than 4 men in them |
Shani, I never said they weren't there. I said I haven't seen any. Had I seen one, I'd be pretty weirded out. Well, not so much after this thread.
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I can't get past the people with such righteous indignation who can't string together a coherent thought intelligent enough to counter the lunacy in the article. Don't use aol-speak in a retarded diatribe and...is it asking too much to proof read your own writing before hitting the submit button?
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negativland was correct.
btw i live in chicago and have seen quite a few gentlemen wearing kilts about. it hadnt occurred to me that they could be part of the Quote:
dont you think that's nice? i think that's nice. |
Call it what you like, and its history notwithstanding, it's exactly identical to the clothing item worn today by women colloquially known as "skirt".
if you're of Scottish ancestry, and you're wearing it as part of honoring heritage for something, then by all means. But I think criticism is deserved when attempting to adopt it as an actual item of clothing for day-to-day wear. Of course, the article is terrible and biased as all hell by some moron bigot, but that doesn't mean he's wrong when he points out that a kilt is exactly the same thing as a skirt, regardless of origin or who wears them or the manliness of the manly men manning it up in them happen to be. |
Agreed with analog. Its one thing if you're of Scottish heritage, but just to be some guy that wants to wear a skirt is a different story.
Once more, I think that once your family has been in America for over 100 years, maybe people should celebrate their Americanism. I sometimes suspect that Irish and Scottish are so heavely celebrated because they're the only "safe" white heritage that you can celebrate. Before my anncestors became American, they were English and German. Both countries and cultures that, in the past, gained reputations as conquering nations, and both at one time or another have been enemies and defeated by the United States. Either way, you don't see too many people out celebrating "British Empire Day" or "German Blitzkrieg Day". Instead you see people celebrating the cultures of people that are always depicted as the victims of English/British expansion. |
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Never seen anyone wearing one, but I think I might get one so I can fornicate in the bars quicker and in the parking lots easier :D Plus it's been crazy hot down her in So Cal and my balls are sweaty... BTW, blade, are you seriously saying you've never been to Oktoberfest in the states!!! :( |
With so much Scotch-Irish blood flowing through Dixie, I think kilts add a whole new (but historically correct) meaning to the phrase, "Kiss my Rebel dick." Those Sissified Seattlers should join with us and learn to say that.
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One of the things we have to expect and accept is that people are going to make their own fashion decisions, and if that decision is that men like to wear kilts, I'm TOTALLY fine with that (as stated before). I had to wear a kilt to play lacrosse in high school, and let me tell you that I can see why Scottish men wore them in battle. There is a lot more freedom of movement in a kilt than in pants or shorts. Regardless, I generally feel like people should be free to wear what they want to wear free from criticism from right-wing nutjobs. What are we, back in the 50s? Seriously. My mother wasn't allowed to wear pants to school as a little girl in the 60s; they finally got the right to wear pants in middle school, and could only wear them on Fridays the first year it was allowed. Yet now women everywhere wear pants. I'm still waiting for men to catch on to kilts as the ultimate in awesomeness. |
I can understand if someone wants to criticize because they don't like the way it looks...as opposed to 'he's a man he shouldn't be wearing an article of clothing that is open between the legs.' I mean, I don't like everything I see people wearing at all times, either...socks with sandals always comes to mind :p, but I am totally opposed to the idea that they should be criticized on the basis of gender. Not so long ago, Katharine Hepburn and Marlene Dietrich were criticized in a like fashion for having the audacity to wear slacks.
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On the flip side, I've gotten the impression from several of the lovely tilted ladies that men in kilts are quite something. I don't see any harm in it. They're way better than bike shorts or man-kinis, which are common enough. Would I wear one? I really don't know. Not only does it take balls, but it also should probably be in a situation where you're not going to be jumping around or sitting across from someone. I can't fold my legs like a girl (there's something in the way), so there would be boxer issues, I suppose. What is the policy for under the kilt? Obviously tighty whiteys are out of the question (as they normally are), so I would assume boxers, but that brings up exposure issues. |
I'd criticize it because it's freaking weird. I'm fine with it being a traditional or cultural thing for the Scottish since it's a part of their history, but a man wearing a skirt is just plain weird in my eyes. I can't say it's wrong, but it sure is out of norm. Had I been this age in the 50's, I'd probably criticize women wearing pants also. There's something about people adopting another gender's clothing that doesn't sit well with me. I'll figure out what eventually.
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1) I couldn't care any less what a conservative Babtist thinks about fashion, let alone fashion in Seattle when I live in Chicago.
2) The author's an obvious bigot pandering to other obvious bigots. I couldn't care much less about what bigots think. 3) Guys that wear kilts should be prepared to be stared at by young children and the impolite. Just because capes and top hats are nice and warm doesn't make them less unusual in Early 21st Century America. Perhaps that will change and these guys are the vanguard, but I don't really follow clothing fashion. Again, couldn't care less. 4) If you go to Scotland, you'll really only see kilts for formal occassions. Same goes here. So, to sum things up, I am amazed that I managed to give a list of 3 things that I don't care about and one factoid. Good use of time, Jazz. |
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