The Sissification of Seattle - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

ShaniFaye · 07-30-2007, 05:58 AM

(the title of the article, NOT my title)

I was reading around today and came across this (I really wasn't sure which forum to put this in, so feel free to move if need be).

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Appalling news from the West Coast: The latest strain of the disease, uber-liberalism, has crept its way up the California coast and into Seattle, Washington. Men’s skirts, it would seem, is what the fashionable-fairies from San Francisco to Seattle are wearing this season. They are no longer content to swish and prance about in shorty-shorts or repulsively tight slacks anymore, so they have began wearing women’s clothing.

The kilt, long associated with those ghastly Scots, has seen a drastic increase in popularity among the jet-setting homosexual crowd. One manufacturer of this perfectly obscene item, Utilikilts in Seattle, was recently interviewed and subsequently featured prominently on the front page of Yahoo News. (See links below)

Friends, we are living in a world where nothing is sacred and very little is left to the imagination. The very last thing we need in this country is for homosexuals to be permitted, by law mind you, to wear a skirt. It is understood, that while the sodomite would unnaturally embrace the feminine attributes of a man-skirt or kilt, the main purpose is that it grants them easy and quick access for fornicating.

Something must be done to stop this horrendous fashion-do not from making its way into your Christian neighborhood. Immediately I might add for the children must be protected from ever seeing such a thing. I suggest contacting your Senator immediately and inquiring about any laws regarding indecent exposure, which might apply tom this disgusting fad.

No real man, not a heterosexual one with a shred of self-respect, Scottish or not, would permit himself to be caught dead in a skirt, unless he was playing the bagpipe while in Scotland, at a historically-themed wedding. Even then I find his heterosexuality suspect at best.

http://baptistsforbrown2008.wordpres...on-of-seattle/

This was my response, so I reckon it's good enough to post here as well:

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Attitudes like this actually make me embarrassed to call myself a Christian and be lumped in with people like this. As a genealogist and someone that researches other cultures and their way of life AND as the wife of a MAN that is a kilt wearer I’m as offended for the Scots as I am anyone else.

I wish I lived where this person was running just so I could have the pleasure of voting against such a bigoted, unchristian person. Get a clue, gays are not the only people that wear kilts.

This literally makes me sick to my stomach, its people like you that cause such hatred towards GOOD Christians.

I am simply taken aback that these people are spewing this garbage and spouting such hate against a nation of people that helped in the fight as patriots for american freedom.

Women's clothing? Since when is a kilt womens clothing? Are they implying that just because a gay man might wear one that all of the sudden it is? Women do not wear kilts!!! The definition of "kilt" says its a MAN's form of dress, not a womens, so how can they be considered cross dressing?

Ugh.....as I said previously this simply makes me embarrassed to be in any way associated with religion.

You dont ever see a depiction of Jesus in pants, did that make him "gay" too? Did the people of the time wear those long "gowns" for lack of better word cause I dont know what they were called, just so they could have a quickie on the road?

Jetée · 07-30-2007, 06:13 AM

Kilts again, eh?

EDIT: Oh, 'Sissification' is from the derative root word 'sissy'...

I was about to look it up on Answers.com

seretogis · 07-30-2007, 06:21 AM

Hahah.. To refer to Utilikilts as "sissified" is ridiculous. As far as kilts go, they are the most masculine incarnation possible. I'm sure that anyone wearing a Utilikilt could hold that guy down and shove his.. er, nevermind.

snowy · 07-30-2007, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by seretogis

Hahah.. To refer to Utilikilts as "sissified" is ridiculous. As far as kilts go, they are the most masculine incarnation possible. I'm sure that anyone wearing a Utilikilt could hold that guy down and shove his.. er, nevermind.

Yeah, pretty much.

A fair number of guys around my town wear Utilikilts...it's pretty common to see at least one or two at community events. And no, they aren't sissies, or gay. Most of them are VERY manly men.

Rawr.

shakran · 07-30-2007, 06:45 AM

ya know. .. . any culture who's people hurl trees for recreation is not a culture that I want to go on record as calling their fashion sense "sissified."

Halx · 07-30-2007, 06:49 AM

The root of the problem is a belief structure.

Jetée · 07-30-2007, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

(the title of the article, NOT my title)

I was reading around today and came across this (I really wasn't sure which forum to put this in, so feel free to move if need be).

http://baptistsforbrown2008.wordpres...on-of-seattle/

This was my response, so I reckon it's good enough to post here as well:

I am simply taken aback that these people are spewing this garbage and spouting such hate against a nation of people that helped in the fight as patriots for american freedom.

Women's clothing? Since when is a kilt womens clothing? Are they implying that just because a gay man might wear one that all of the sudden it is? Women do not wear kilts!!! The definition of "kilt" says its a MAN's form of dress, not a womens, so how can they be considered cross dressing?

Ugh.....as I said previously this simply makes me embarrassed to be in any way associated with religion.

You dont ever see a depiction of Jesus in pants, did that make him "gay" too? Did the people of the time wear those long "gowns" for lack of better word cause I dont know what they were called, just so they could have a quickie on the road?

Shani, why would you try to delegate and coax a response from someone who holds such a strong bias against the 'taboos' of gays, kilts, and fornicating that the entire article should be discredited for lack of even a remote journalistic objectivivity. The entire length of the read just oozes "Your way is entirely wrong because it deviates from my way, you filthy heathens!"

"Never argue with a fool because you may just become one yourself by doing so." --attributed

ShaniFaye · 07-30-2007, 06:57 AM

because Im pissed thats why

same reason I sometimes respond to things on TFP

shakran · 07-30-2007, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jetstream

the entire article should be discredited for lack of even a remote journalistic objectivivity.

Well duh! It comes from a site named "baptists for brown" and it's supposed to be objective? The guy's not a journalist, he's a jackass. There's often a difference

Bill O'Rights · 07-30-2007, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by shakran

The guy's not a journalist, he's a jackass. There's often a difference

Well...there's sometimes a difference. I dunno how often.

shakran · 07-30-2007, 07:29 AM

Depends on the news organization. I know of quite a few where there is no difference at all

Mister Coaster · 07-30-2007, 07:41 AM

Maybe I should start wearing my kilt more often...

shesus · 07-30-2007, 07:51 AM

I wouldn't even waste my time responding to this man. It is a religious paper, which in my past experiences, is written by the most close-minded people.

If he can write something that out there with so much vengeance, he's not going to be swayed from his opinion.

I find it ridiculous and about choked on my cereal, which led me to having to read it to my step-daughter. We're both laughing now. That article, to quote Bill O'Really, is the most ridiculous item of the day!

albania · 07-30-2007, 08:03 AM

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It is understood, that while the sodomite would unnaturally embrace the feminine attributes of a man-skirt or kilt, the main purpose is that it grants them easy and quick access for fornicating.

Really, does that apply for women wearing skirts too? If it does I think I might have wasted my life so far.

Jinn · 07-30-2007, 08:20 AM

It was clearly written to anger people, just like a troll post on a forum.

How is this any different? They're trying to get you pissed off, and you fell for it.

Better to let them live in their lunacy (even if I'm not a particular fan of kilts, myself).

kutulu · 07-30-2007, 08:26 AM

The author is trolling and should be ignored as if he were any other troll.

Willravel · 07-30-2007, 08:40 AM

The author is clearly a latent, self hating homosexual who can't comprehend the glory of kilts.

This kind of thing is the cost of having free speech. Idiots are allowed to talk as much as anyone else.

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Originally Posted by Shani

You dont ever see a depiction of Jesus in pants, did that make him "gay" too? Did the people of the time wear those long "gowns" for lack of better word cause I dont know what they were called, just so they could have a quickie on the road?

Bwahahahaha....

LoganSnake · 07-30-2007, 09:02 AM

Wow, this is the first time I've ever heard of a utilikilt. Indeed, the guy in question gives a bad name to Christians, but quite honestly I wouldn't be caught dead wearing one of those. I've yet to see a person wearing one of these in Chicago area.

Terrell · 07-30-2007, 09:08 AM

I agree with you ShaniFaye, though I'm an agnostic, rather than a Christian so I don't feel ashamed. I don't think that someone wearing a kilt should be criticized for doing so. It's not something I would personally choose to do, but to eash his own. I don't like the type of hatred that many spew in the name of religion, it's good to see a person with more moderate views speak out against intolerance in the name of religion.

FoolThemAll · 07-30-2007, 10:02 AM

Well, to play the devil's advocate on a barely-related point, I can't understand how gay culture managed to gain a reputation for good fashion sense. 90% of the stuff I see attributed to that stereotype is ugly as shit. Some of it makes me wonder if maybe Fred Phelps has a point.

(kidding.)

Willravel · 07-30-2007, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by FoolThemAll

Well, to play the devil's advocate on a barely-related point, I can't understand how gay culture managed to gain a reputation for good fashion sense. 90% of the stuff I see attributed to that stereotype is ugly as shit. Some of it makes me wonder if maybe Fred Phelps has a point.

(kidding.)

Lol...
It goes like this:
gay>metrosexual>the rest of us. Maybe we don't get it because we're not metro? Like we can only see one step above us.

Sultana · 07-30-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JinnKai

It was clearly written to anger people, just like a troll post on a forum.

How is this any different? They're trying to get you pissed off, and you fell for it.

Better to let them live in their lunacy (even if I'm not a particular fan of kilts, myself).

I concur.

This "article" makes about as much sense as writing "Dogs don't go to Heaven!" or "Pastels are gay"!

If a dog is barking, are you going to stop and try to reason with the dog? No.

But honestly, anything posted on a "Baptists for Brown" (who is Brown, anyways? Jerry Brown?) website--one can't be suprised, or take it seriously in any way.

ShaniFaye · 07-30-2007, 12:02 PM

These are people supporting someone named Sam Brownback that has some delusion of running for president

I spent time today (dummy me) reading their views on other things.....big mistake.

and Logansnake just because you havent seen people in chicago wearing kilts doesnt mean they arent there. Last time I was there I had dinner with no less than 4 men in them

LoganSnake · 07-30-2007, 01:12 PM

Shani, I never said they weren't there. I said I haven't seen any. Had I seen one, I'd be pretty weirded out. Well, not so much after this thread.

JumpinJesus · 07-30-2007, 01:16 PM

I can't get past the people with such righteous indignation who can't string together a coherent thought intelligent enough to counter the lunacy in the article. Don't use aol-speak in a retarded diatribe and...is it asking too much to proof read your own writing before hitting the submit button?

roachboy · 07-30-2007, 01:49 PM

negativland was correct.

btw i live in chicago and have seen quite a few gentlemen wearing kilts about.
it hadnt occurred to me that they could be part of the

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jet-setting homosexual crowd

i just thought they were gentlemen wearing kilts. obviously, i had not consulted with a complete fucking idiot in order to obtain the secret key to the really stupid interpretation of the world. i count that as my loss. good thing there are so many of these complete fucking idiots--i mean, who would want to be caught without the really stupid perspective?--- and it is even better that we know where to find a complete fucking idiot any time we need one.
dont you think that's nice?
i think that's nice.

analog · 07-31-2007, 02:55 AM

Call it what you like, and its history notwithstanding, it's exactly identical to the clothing item worn today by women colloquially known as "skirt".

if you're of Scottish ancestry, and you're wearing it as part of honoring heritage for something, then by all means. But I think criticism is deserved when attempting to adopt it as an actual item of clothing for day-to-day wear.

Of course, the article is terrible and biased as all hell by some moron bigot, but that doesn't mean he's wrong when he points out that a kilt is exactly the same thing as a skirt, regardless of origin or who wears them or the manliness of the manly men manning it up in them happen to be.

blade02 · 07-31-2007, 04:22 AM

Agreed with analog. Its one thing if you're of Scottish heritage, but just to be some guy that wants to wear a skirt is a different story.

Once more, I think that once your family has been in America for over 100 years, maybe people should celebrate their Americanism. I sometimes suspect that Irish and Scottish are so heavely celebrated because they're the only "safe" white heritage that you can celebrate.

Before my anncestors became American, they were English and German. Both countries and cultures that, in the past, gained reputations as conquering nations, and both at one time or another have been enemies and defeated by the United States. Either way, you don't see too many people out celebrating "British Empire Day" or "German Blitzkrieg Day". Instead you see people celebrating the cultures of people that are always depicted as the victims of English/British expansion.

smooth · 07-31-2007, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by LoganSnake

Wow, this is the first time I've ever heard of a utilikilt. Indeed, the guy in question gives a bad name to Christians, but quite honestly I wouldn't be caught dead wearing one of those. I've yet to see a person wearing one of these in Chicago area.

First I've heard of them too!
Never seen anyone wearing one, but I think I might get one so I can fornicate in the bars quicker and in the parking lots easier

Plus it's been crazy hot down her in So Cal and my balls are sweaty...

BTW, blade, are you seriously saying you've never been to Oktoberfest in the states!!!

warrrreagl · 07-31-2007, 05:25 AM

With so much Scotch-Irish blood flowing through Dixie, I think kilts add a whole new (but historically correct) meaning to the phrase, "Kiss my Rebel dick." Those Sissified Seattlers should join with us and learn to say that.

mixedmedia · 07-31-2007, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by analog

Call it what you like, and its history notwithstanding, it's exactly identical to the clothing item worn today by women colloquially known as "skirt".

if you're of Scottish ancestry, and you're wearing it as part of honoring heritage for something, then by all means. But I think criticism is deserved when attempting to adopt it as an actual item of clothing for day-to-day wear.

Of course, the article is terrible and biased as all hell by some moron bigot, but that doesn't mean he's wrong when he points out that a kilt is exactly the same thing as a skirt, regardless of origin or who wears them or the manliness of the manly men manning it up in them happen to be.

Why should they be criticized for wearing a skirt?

snowy · 07-31-2007, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia

Why should they be criticized for wearing a skirt?

Yeah, that's my question.

One of the things we have to expect and accept is that people are going to make their own fashion decisions, and if that decision is that men like to wear kilts, I'm TOTALLY fine with that (as stated before).

I had to wear a kilt to play lacrosse in high school, and let me tell you that I can see why Scottish men wore them in battle. There is a lot more freedom of movement in a kilt than in pants or shorts.

Regardless, I generally feel like people should be free to wear what they want to wear free from criticism from right-wing nutjobs. What are we, back in the 50s? Seriously. My mother wasn't allowed to wear pants to school as a little girl in the 60s; they finally got the right to wear pants in middle school, and could only wear them on Fridays the first year it was allowed. Yet now women everywhere wear pants. I'm still waiting for men to catch on to kilts as the ultimate in awesomeness.

mixedmedia · 07-31-2007, 08:28 AM

I can understand if someone wants to criticize because they don't like the way it looks...as opposed to 'he's a man he shouldn't be wearing an article of clothing that is open between the legs.' I mean, I don't like everything I see people wearing at all times, either...socks with sandals always comes to mind

, but I am totally opposed to the idea that they should be criticized on the basis of gender. Not so long ago, Katharine Hepburn and Marlene Dietrich were criticized in a like fashion for having the audacity to wear slacks.

Willravel · 07-31-2007, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by analog

Call it what you like, and its history notwithstanding, it's exactly identical to the clothing item worn today by women colloquially known as "skirt".

if you're of Scottish ancestry, and you're wearing it as part of honoring heritage for something, then by all means. But I think criticism is deserved when attempting to adopt it as an actual item of clothing for day-to-day wear.

They said the same thing about women in pants. Here's the thing, if you've ever seen a gorgeous woman in tight jeans, you know they made the right decision. Women wear pants all the time now, and it's not considered odd by anyone. It's not even a statement of masculinity. A woman can wear pants and be just as feminine as she wants to be.

On the flip side, I've gotten the impression from several of the lovely tilted ladies that men in kilts are quite something. I don't see any harm in it. They're way better than bike shorts or man-kinis, which are common enough.

Would I wear one? I really don't know. Not only does it take balls, but it also should probably be in a situation where you're not going to be jumping around or sitting across from someone. I can't fold my legs like a girl (there's something in the way), so there would be boxer issues, I suppose. What is the policy for under the kilt? Obviously tighty whiteys are out of the question (as they normally are), so I would assume boxers, but that brings up exposure issues.

LoganSnake · 07-31-2007, 08:31 AM

I'd criticize it because it's freaking weird. I'm fine with it being a traditional or cultural thing for the Scottish since it's a part of their history, but a man wearing a skirt is just plain weird in my eyes. I can't say it's wrong, but it sure is out of norm. Had I been this age in the 50's, I'd probably criticize women wearing pants also. There's something about people adopting another gender's clothing that doesn't sit well with me. I'll figure out what eventually.

The_Jazz · 07-31-2007, 08:32 AM

1) I couldn't care any less what a conservative Babtist thinks about fashion, let alone fashion in Seattle when I live in Chicago.
2) The author's an obvious bigot pandering to other obvious bigots. I couldn't care much less about what bigots think.
3) Guys that wear kilts should be prepared to be stared at by young children and the impolite. Just because capes and top hats are nice and warm doesn't make them less unusual in Early 21st Century America. Perhaps that will change and these guys are the vanguard, but I don't really follow clothing fashion. Again, couldn't care less.
4) If you go to Scotland, you'll really only see kilts for formal occassions. Same goes here.

So, to sum things up, I am amazed that I managed to give a list of 3 things that I don't care about and one factoid. Good use of time, Jazz.

Willravel · 07-31-2007, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by LoganSnake

I'm fine with it being a traditional or cultural thing for the Irish since it's a part of their history,

Irish?

Willravel · 07-31-2007, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Jazz

3) Guys that wear kilts should be prepared to be stared at by young children and the impolite. Just because capes and top hats are nice and warm doesn't make them less unusual in Early 21st Century America. Perhaps that will change and these guys are the vanguard, but I don't really follow clothing fashion. Again, couldn't care less.

So you're telling us to wear a top hat, a cape, and a kilt? Okay.

LoganSnake · 07-31-2007, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by willravel

Irish?

My bad. Scottish. I mix them up all the time.

Jinn · 07-31-2007, 09:26 AM

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Here's the thing, if you've ever seen a gorgeous woman in tight jeans, you know they made the right decision. Women wear pants all the time now, and it's not considered odd by anyone. It's not even a statement of masculinity. A woman can wear pants and be just as feminine as she wants to be.

Amen, Will. AMEN.

07-30-2007, 06:13 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jetée The Reforms Location: Rarely, if ever, here or there, but always in transition	Kilts again, eh? EDIT: Oh, 'Sissification' is from the derative root word 'sissy'... I was about to look it up on Answers.com __________________ As human beings, our greatness lies not so much in being able to remake the world (that is the myth of the Atomic Age) as in being able to remake ourselves. —Mohandas K. Gandhi

07-30-2007, 06:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	Hahah.. To refer to Utilikilts as "sissified" is ridiculous. As far as kilts go, they are the most masculine incarnation possible. I'm sure that anyone wearing a Utilikilt could hold that guy down and shove his.. er, nevermind. __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

07-30-2007, 06:49 AM	#6 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	The root of the problem is a belief structure. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

07-30-2007, 06:57 AM	#8 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	because Im pissed thats why same reason I sometimes respond to things on TFP __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

07-30-2007, 07:41 AM	#12 (permalink)
Mister Coaster Big & Brassy Location: The "Canyon"	Maybe I should start wearing my kilt more often... __________________ If you have any poo... fling it NOW!

07-30-2007, 06:45 AM	#5 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	ya know. .. . any culture who's people hurl trees for recreation is not a culture that I want to go on record as calling their fashion sense "sissified."

07-30-2007, 07:29 AM	#11 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	Depends on the news organization. I know of quite a few where there is no difference at all

07-30-2007, 07:51 AM	#13 (permalink)
shesus Fancy Location: Chicago	I wouldn't even waste my time responding to this man. It is a religious paper, which in my past experiences, is written by the most close-minded people. If he can write something that out there with so much vengeance, he's not going to be swayed from his opinion. I find it ridiculous and about choked on my cereal, which led me to having to read it to my step-daughter. We're both laughing now. That article, to quote Bill O'Really, is the most ridiculous item of the day! __________________ Whatever did happen to your soul? I heard you sold it Choose Heaven for the weather and Hell for the company

07-30-2007, 08:20 AM	#15 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	It was clearly written to anger people, just like a troll post on a forum. How is this any different? They're trying to get you pissed off, and you fell for it. Better to let them live in their lunacy (even if I'm not a particular fan of kilts, myself). __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

07-30-2007, 08:26 AM	#16 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	The author is trolling and should be ignored as if he were any other troll.

07-30-2007, 09:02 AM	#18 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	Wow, this is the first time I've ever heard of a utilikilt. Indeed, the guy in question gives a bad name to Christians, but quite honestly I wouldn't be caught dead wearing one of those. I've yet to see a person wearing one of these in Chicago area. __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

07-30-2007, 09:08 AM	#19 (permalink)
Terrell Insane Location: Orlando, Florida	I agree with you ShaniFaye, though I'm an agnostic, rather than a Christian so I don't feel ashamed. I don't think that someone wearing a kilt should be criticized for doing so. It's not something I would personally choose to do, but to eash his own. I don't like the type of hatred that many spew in the name of religion, it's good to see a person with more moderate views speak out against intolerance in the name of religion.

07-30-2007, 10:02 AM	#20 (permalink)
FoolThemAll Walking is Still Honest Location: Seattle, WA	Well, to play the devil's advocate on a barely-related point, I can't understand how gay culture managed to gain a reputation for good fashion sense. 90% of the stuff I see attributed to that stereotype is ugly as shit. Some of it makes me wonder if maybe Fred Phelps has a point. (kidding.) __________________ I wonder if we're stuck in Rome.

07-30-2007, 12:02 PM	#23 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	These are people supporting someone named Sam Brownback that has some delusion of running for president I spent time today (dummy me) reading their views on other things.....big mistake. and Logansnake just because you havent seen people in chicago wearing kilts doesnt mean they arent there. Last time I was there I had dinner with no less than 4 men in them __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

07-30-2007, 01:12 PM	#24 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	Shani, I never said they weren't there. I said I haven't seen any. Had I seen one, I'd be pretty weirded out. Well, not so much after this thread. __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

07-30-2007, 01:16 PM	#25 (permalink)
JumpinJesus Junkie Location: Chicago	I can't get past the people with such righteous indignation who can't string together a coherent thought intelligent enough to counter the lunacy in the article. Don't use aol-speak in a retarded diatribe and...is it asking too much to proof read your own writing before hitting the submit button? __________________ "I can normally tell how intelligent a man is by how stupid he thinks I am" - Cormac McCarthy, All The Pretty Horses

07-31-2007, 02:55 AM	#27 (permalink)
analog Banned	Call it what you like, and its history notwithstanding, it's exactly identical to the clothing item worn today by women colloquially known as "skirt". if you're of Scottish ancestry, and you're wearing it as part of honoring heritage for something, then by all means. But I think criticism is deserved when attempting to adopt it as an actual item of clothing for day-to-day wear. Of course, the article is terrible and biased as all hell by some moron bigot, but that doesn't mean he's wrong when he points out that a kilt is exactly the same thing as a skirt, regardless of origin or who wears them or the manliness of the manly men manning it up in them happen to be.

07-31-2007, 04:22 AM	#28 (permalink)
blade02 Insane	Agreed with analog. Its one thing if you're of Scottish heritage, but just to be some guy that wants to wear a skirt is a different story. Once more, I think that once your family has been in America for over 100 years, maybe people should celebrate their Americanism. I sometimes suspect that Irish and Scottish are so heavely celebrated because they're the only "safe" white heritage that you can celebrate. Before my anncestors became American, they were English and German. Both countries and cultures that, in the past, gained reputations as conquering nations, and both at one time or another have been enemies and defeated by the United States. Either way, you don't see too many people out celebrating "British Empire Day" or "German Blitzkrieg Day". Instead you see people celebrating the cultures of people that are always depicted as the victims of English/British expansion.

07-31-2007, 05:25 AM	#30 (permalink)
warrrreagl pinche vato Location: backwater, Third World, land of cotton	With so much Scotch-Irish blood flowing through Dixie, I think kilts add a whole new (but historically correct) meaning to the phrase, "Kiss my Rebel dick." Those Sissified Seattlers should join with us and learn to say that. __________________ Living is easy with eyes closed. Last edited by warrrreagl; 07-31-2007 at 05:29 AM..

07-31-2007, 08:28 AM	#33 (permalink)
mixedmedia has all her shots. Location: Florida	I can understand if someone wants to criticize because they don't like the way it looks...as opposed to 'he's a man he shouldn't be wearing an article of clothing that is open between the legs.' I mean, I don't like everything I see people wearing at all times, either...socks with sandals always comes to mind , but I am totally opposed to the idea that they should be criticized on the basis of gender. Not so long ago, Katharine Hepburn and Marlene Dietrich were criticized in a like fashion for having the audacity to wear slacks. __________________ Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce

07-31-2007, 08:31 AM	#35 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	I'd criticize it because it's freaking weird. I'm fine with it being a traditional or cultural thing for the Scottish since it's a part of their history, but a man wearing a skirt is just plain weird in my eyes. I can't say it's wrong, but it sure is out of norm. Had I been this age in the 50's, I'd probably criticize women wearing pants also. There's something about people adopting another gender's clothing that doesn't sit well with me. I'll figure out what eventually. __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques Last edited by LoganSnake; 07-31-2007 at 08:39 AM..

07-31-2007, 08:32 AM	#36 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	1) I couldn't care any less what a conservative Babtist thinks about fashion, let alone fashion in Seattle when I live in Chicago. 2) The author's an obvious bigot pandering to other obvious bigots. I couldn't care much less about what bigots think. 3) Guys that wear kilts should be prepared to be stared at by young children and the impolite. Just because capes and top hats are nice and warm doesn't make them less unusual in Early 21st Century America. Perhaps that will change and these guys are the vanguard, but I don't really follow clothing fashion. Again, couldn't care less. 4) If you go to Scotland, you'll really only see kilts for formal occassions. Same goes here. So, to sum things up, I am amazed that I managed to give a list of 3 things that I don't care about and one factoid. Good use of time, Jazz. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo