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denim · 06-11-2003, 02:52 PM

CNN.com has an article on the charges being brought against the people involved in last month's ridiculous "event".

spectre · 06-11-2003, 03:43 PM

The article for those who don't want to click the link:

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Judge adds charges in hazing case

SKOKIE, Illinois (CNN) -- A judge Wednesday added counts of misdemeanor battery alleging bodily harm to the charges against 15 teenagers accused in a violent hazing incident in a Chicago area park.

The 12 girls and three boys were already charged with misdemeanor battery. One of the teens also is charged with unlawful possession of alcohol by a minor. Another teen is charged with only alcohol possession. In addition, two mothers are charged in the incident.

All 16 teens, who were high school seniors when the May 4 incident occurred, and the mothers appeared in Cook County Circuit Court for a status hearing Wednesday.

In addition to approving the prosecution's request to amend the battery charges, the judge set a new hearing for July 15 to give lawyers more time to review the five videotapes of the event.

The additional counts were based on criminal complaints made by high school junior girls who were targets of the hazing. Five girls ended up the hospital.

One mother, Christine Neal, is charged with delivery of alcohol to a minor after buying three kegs of beer and giving them to her son.

A second mother, Marcy Spiwak, is charged with allowing her home to be used for the consumption of alcohol by minors.

"This is nothing but a witch hunt," Ralph Meczyk, Spiwak's lawyer, told the Chicago Tribune. "This is a false accusation. Ms. Spiwak is absolutely innocent of the charges, and hopefully she will be exonerated by the end of the month."

Authorities said one keg was delivered to the home and the other two were delivered to the park where the teens had gathered for a powder puff football game that was never played.

Thirty-three seniors were expelled and 20 juniors were suspended from Glenbrook North High School after the incident.

A videotape showed senior girls beating junior girls and showering them in mud, feces and garbage while other students watched.

Of the seniors expelled, 31 signed an agreement with the school allowing them to receive their diplomas but not participate in last Sunday's graduation. The status of the other two students was unavailable.

As part of their agreements, the former students also agreed to perform community service and obtain counseling, and promised not to exploit the event through book or movie deals, said school attorney Lawrence Weiner.

Fifteen juniors reached a deal with the school to have their suspensions commuted. The other five maintained they were victims of the violence.

None of those charged have entered pleas.

According to Cook County State's Attorney Dick Devine, misdemeanor battery is punishable by up to 364 days in jail. Other punishments could include probation, supervision and a $2,000 fine.
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Spungfoo · 06-11-2003, 04:50 PM

Expulsion is too good for these psychos. They should have been hit with attempted murder.

Double D · 06-12-2003, 12:43 AM

Today's paper mentioned that the town that this took place in, is appointing a committee to study how to prevent future incidents like this. Sounds totally unneccesary and more like CYA gesture.

Bill O'Rights · 06-12-2003, 04:57 AM

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Originally posted by Spungfoo
Expulsion is too good for these psychos. They should have been hit with attempted murder.

You are correct in that expulsion is to good for these "psychos", but attempted murder? No. Bear in mind that much of this is mob mentality. They got carried away with the moment. And, no, I'm not making excuses for them, or condoning their actions in <b>any</b> way. What they did was brutal and punishment needs to be meted out that reflects that fact. But, not attempted murder.

denim · 06-12-2003, 05:00 AM

I have to agree.

Bill O'Rights · 06-12-2003, 05:05 AM

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Originally posted by Double D
Today's paper mentioned that the town that this took place in, is appointing a committee to study how to prevent future incidents like this. Sounds totally unneccesary and more like CYA gesture.

I agree. It sounds more like the community leadership taking great pains to put forth the message..."Look at us, were taking proactive measures so that this never happens here again. So don't blame us." I don't know that anyone ever did.

Hmmm...I do wonder, however, if this was common practice to this extreme in the past, and they just now got caught on tape? Or was this an isolated occurance where things got way out of hand? I guess you'd have to live there to know for sure.

Daval · 06-12-2003, 05:07 AM

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Originally posted by Bill O'Rights
You are correct in that expulsion is to good for these "psychos", but attempted murder? No. Bear in mind that much of this is mob mentality. They got carried away with the moment. And, no, I'm not making excuses for them, or condoning their actions in <b>any</b> way. What they did was brutal and punishment needs to be meted out that reflects that fact. But, not attempted murder.

I agree as well. It was a mob mentality that was fueled by alcohol.

These are just young girls don't forget, with their entire lives ahead of them. I'm sure they have all learned from this incident and we shouldnt go overboard.

BoCo · 06-12-2003, 05:34 AM

Toss them in juvie for the summer and then put the situation behind you. These were idiot kids doing what they do best, and they were doing it to other willing idiot kids. I've done equally horrible things to my own buddies in the past and it was nothing but a good time for all and another story to tell. This whole thing is being blown way out of proportion.

Minx · 06-12-2003, 11:26 AM

I wonder how the responses would vary if it were one of your own daughters who was the victim....then I would guess there would be a lot more outrage.
But .... as long as it happens to someone elce....they were just kids acting up. Ya. Sure.

Stiltzkin · 06-12-2003, 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by spectre
A second mother, Marcy Spiwak, is charged with allowing her home to be used for the consumption of alcohol by minors.

This actually happens more often than some people would guess. Mothers allowing minors to drink in her home. Wonder where the father was? Was there even any father figures present? Man, broken homes are more and more common these days...

WhoaitsZ · 06-13-2003, 10:38 AM

put any and all adults who contributed in the helping of kids getting alcohol in jail.

put the fucking hazers in detention camp for three or four years.

i don't care if this happens in every city or only on the planet Pluto, there should be no tolerance for this kind of outrageous behavoire.

sorry, if some kids are ganging up to haze another, the little fuckers deserve severe justice.

06-11-2003, 02:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
denim Banned Location: Massachusetts, USA	More on the hazing situation CNN.com has an article on the charges being brought against the people involved in last month's ridiculous "event".

06-11-2003, 03:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
spectre Junkie	The article for those who don't want to click the link: <hr> Judge adds charges in hazing case SKOKIE, Illinois (CNN) -- A judge Wednesday added counts of misdemeanor battery alleging bodily harm to the charges against 15 teenagers accused in a violent hazing incident in a Chicago area park. The 12 girls and three boys were already charged with misdemeanor battery. One of the teens also is charged with unlawful possession of alcohol by a minor. Another teen is charged with only alcohol possession. In addition, two mothers are charged in the incident. All 16 teens, who were high school seniors when the May 4 incident occurred, and the mothers appeared in Cook County Circuit Court for a status hearing Wednesday. In addition to approving the prosecution's request to amend the battery charges, the judge set a new hearing for July 15 to give lawyers more time to review the five videotapes of the event. The additional counts were based on criminal complaints made by high school junior girls who were targets of the hazing. Five girls ended up the hospital. One mother, Christine Neal, is charged with delivery of alcohol to a minor after buying three kegs of beer and giving them to her son. A second mother, Marcy Spiwak, is charged with allowing her home to be used for the consumption of alcohol by minors. "This is nothing but a witch hunt," Ralph Meczyk, Spiwak's lawyer, told the Chicago Tribune. "This is a false accusation. Ms. Spiwak is absolutely innocent of the charges, and hopefully she will be exonerated by the end of the month." Authorities said one keg was delivered to the home and the other two were delivered to the park where the teens had gathered for a powder puff football game that was never played. Thirty-three seniors were expelled and 20 juniors were suspended from Glenbrook North High School after the incident. A videotape showed senior girls beating junior girls and showering them in mud, feces and garbage while other students watched. Of the seniors expelled, 31 signed an agreement with the school allowing them to receive their diplomas but not participate in last Sunday's graduation. The status of the other two students was unavailable. As part of their agreements, the former students also agreed to perform community service and obtain counseling, and promised not to exploit the event through book or movie deals, said school attorney Lawrence Weiner. Fifteen juniors reached a deal with the school to have their suspensions commuted. The other five maintained they were victims of the violence. None of those charged have entered pleas. According to Cook County State's Attorney Dick Devine, misdemeanor battery is punishable by up to 364 days in jail. Other punishments could include probation, supervision and a $2,000 fine. <hr> __________________ "Fuck these chains No goddamn slave I will be different" ~ Machine Head

06-12-2003, 05:34 AM	#9 (permalink)
BoCo Fear the bunny Location: Hanging off the tip of the Right Wing	Toss them in juvie for the summer and then put the situation behind you. These were idiot kids doing what they do best, and they were doing it to other willing idiot kids. I've done equally horrible things to my own buddies in the past and it was nothing but a good time for all and another story to tell. This whole thing is being blown way out of proportion. __________________ Activism is a way for useless people to feel important.

06-12-2003, 11:26 AM	#10 (permalink)
Minx Junkie Location: Up yonder	I wonder how the responses would vary if it were one of your own daughters who was the victim....then I would guess there would be a lot more outrage. But .... as long as it happens to someone elce....they were just kids acting up. Ya. Sure. __________________ You've been a naughty boy....go to my room!

06-11-2003, 04:50 PM	#3 (permalink)
Spungfoo Insane Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Expulsion is too good for these psychos. They should have been hit with attempted murder.

06-12-2003, 12:43 AM	#4 (permalink)
Double D Junkie Location: Chicagoland	Today's paper mentioned that the town that this took place in, is appointing a committee to study how to prevent future incidents like this. Sounds totally unneccesary and more like CYA gesture.

06-12-2003, 05:00 AM	#6 (permalink)
denim Banned Location: Massachusetts, USA	I have to agree.

06-13-2003, 10:38 AM	#12 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	put any and all adults who contributed in the helping of kids getting alcohol in jail. put the fucking hazers in detention camp for three or four years. i don't care if this happens in every city or only on the planet Pluto, there should be no tolerance for this kind of outrageous behavoire. sorry, if some kids are ganging up to haze another, the little fuckers deserve severe justice.