Social Experiment Forum

[Halx]

Shani, how does a rocket floating in space, with no mass surrounding it, boost itself forward? It needs to create thrust by pushing against some friction.

You were once on a board that had turned to crap. You pushed off from that board to here.

I continue to defend the mere existence of C:A.

[ShaniFaye]

what has that got to do with researching where your most active users initially came from so you can figure out the "hows" of getting more traffic?

my only point was you were pointed out to me in 2003 as being a non troll board where people actually talked about things, I still dont exactly know what the "titty" board is/was

[Halx]

Maybe I used your post to address someone else's point. It's all burring together right now.

[shesus]

I mentioned some of this again, but I feel it supports what Hal is saying.

The saying goes: it gets the darkest before the dawn. TFP is focused on evolution. The community has become stagnant for awhile now. An emergence of suburban housewives and people who are ready to cry when a negative truth is spoken has aided in this lack of evolution.

I have aided in this lack of development myself because I have censored myself. Not because of fear of moderation, but fear of rocking the happy loveboat.

Now that people are already saying 'I never knew she thought that!' I feel a weight lifted. I feel that I can now be balanced like I am in real-life. I already rocked the boat and maybe that's what this forum needs.

[mixedmedia]

Then why is it you posted on CA that you felt ashamed of yourself for the way you had been posting there, shesus?

The lady doth protest too much, methinks. You want everyone to be accepting of your "real self" (and don't try to deny it because otherwise you wouldn't be spending so much time here defending it) and at the same time tell everyone else that they're not being their real selves by being turned off by it? How very hypocritical. Why don't you try the most obvious answer: we don't like it because we don't find it funny or even amusing and, in fact, find it to be in many cases repulsive. That is real. You think that is a suburban attitude? Well, I don't know about you but I've never lived in the suburbs, ever, in my entire life. Just because one doesn't have a taste for your kind of "reality" doesn't mean they are censoring themselves or not being "real."

You know what I remember from high school? Tenth grade. Not being able to get the fuck out of there fast enough to get away from the same boring, egotistical, ugly, shallow, cliquish dreck that passed for human interaction as is going on over at CA. That's MY reality, shesus. I never looked back and sorry, babe, I have no respect or even tolerance for it among adults. Some of us are just different and real at the same time. And note, I have not been back to CA even to look and I don't intend to.

And just for the record, there's only been one time at TFP in which I felt the urge to get what you might call "real" on somebody. And I did it. With full knowledge that I was breaking the rules. Maybe it's just that some of us prefer to reserve our ugly sides for when it is truly useful and expedient. But I suppose maybe in your "reality" that is a character flaw.

[ngdawg]

Originally Posted by shesus

I mentioned some of this again, but I feel it supports what Hal is saying.

The saying goes: it gets the darkest before the dawn. TFP is focused on evolution. The community has become stagnant for awhile now. An emergence of suburban housewives and people who are ready to cry when a negative truth is spoken has aided in this lack of evolution.

I have aided in this lack of development myself because I have censored myself. Not because of fear of moderation, but fear of rocking the happy loveboat.

Now that people are already saying 'I never knew she thought that!' I feel a weight lifted. I feel that I can now be balanced like I am in real-life. I already rocked the boat and maybe that's what this forum needs.

Well, let;s see how evolutionary and real it all is....
"I am amazed at how people, when there are no real rules around, will attack others and feel that it is fair to take their aggression out for no reason."Soon after, your spouse went on a soliloque about my insecurities and no-talent need for attention....uh, this after you'd told me in a pm to 'don't take his bait, seek revenge!!' then joined into the fray
"Not the first time I guess that's been said. I try to not bring in my real-life friendships into TFP."
Uh, Honey...that's where your real friends all CAME from.....
"I think that people telling other people they suck is not a good way to build a positive reputation"
Yet...you got mod status...how's that work exactly? That part never was clear to me....
"And the fact that she continues to piss and moan about being bullied after insisting that she doesn't care...well that doesn't earn my respect."
Says the woman who dismissed respect a couple of posts ago? Something about it not being important in an internet setting because we 'only internet entities'?
"An outsider would think you are being overdramatic and over sensitive." It's 'overly'.(well, you did brag about the masters....) And that would mean.....you're an outsider? Again, I am perplexed here.
See, this is a problem with sibling forums. You can't hide behind one thing and expect it to not be noticed elsewhere.
Surprisingly enough, I'm really not cutting you down because it's a fun, evil thing. But the hypocrisy can't be so blatant when you're in places that the very things you say and do can and will be compared and called on.

And if you are going to apologize for something, it should at least be a sincere one; otherwise, you only look that much worse and lose...well, rep.
If you are going to stand behind what you say, you best make sure it's the truth because it can and WILL backfire on you. Word from an old, washed up, insecure body.
I think I'm done. Note, I said....'think'

[Ourcrazymodern?]

I've seen this place evolving even while I've been here, given that I'm new.
It's a wonderfully fluid space. Anarchy = watery

[shesus]

NG...don't call me honey...I'm not speaking about or to you. I never have apologized...so how can I be sincere? I regret nothing that I said and I have nothing to hide behind. I didn't delete my posts which is why you can bring them over here and disect them.

Get over it ng....oh wait, I thought you already were? Let's agree that you're a bitch (you say that yourself) and that I don't give a shit and call it a draw.

[ngdawg]

Eh, I pop in...lot of one liners, one-up-manship, random insults and no depth. I give it 64, no beat, can't dance to it.

[JumpinJesus]

The odd thing is, over at the evil forum, we've stopped talking about this. We've moved on.

When are you? This is the only place where it's still being discussed ad nauseum, and it's the same tired posts.

And just for the record, my talk of not being able to discuss things openly here wasn't directed at the staff here. It was and is directed at the small group of people who I feel are holding this place hostage and strangling the life out of it with their pedestrian antics and incessant caterwauling.

Halx, I appreciate that this was cleared up. Thank you for asking.

[Daoust]

The vitriol has spilled over I see. Is there a plan in place to deal with this? Or are we going to let evolution do its work?

[JumpinJesus]

Daoust,

In all honesty, it started the instant it started being discussed 5 pages ago.

[ngdawg]

Originally Posted by Daoust

The vitriol has spilled over I see. Is there a plan in place to deal with this? Or are we going to let evolution do its work?

Actually, I was just coming in to give this PSA:
Sperm


A little brevity is sometimes necessary..

[ubertuber]

Was there ever the slightest chance that one forum would not affect the other?

So far, the only thing I've noted from C:A is a prolonged confirmation that actions always have consequences, regardless of the rules. Thus, there are better reasons to control your behavior than because you'll get in trouble.

Of course, the people in the world who are not idiots knew this all along.

[ngdawg]

Originally Posted by shesus

NG...don't call me honey...I'm not speaking about or to you. I never have apologized...so how can I be sincere? I regret nothing that I said and I have nothing to hide behind. I didn't delete my posts which is why you can bring them over here and disect them.

Get over it ng....oh wait, I thought you already were? Let's agree that you're a bitch (you say that yourself) and that I don't give a shit and call it a draw.

Then please, stop defending yourself. Shades of what went on.....only, in reverse it would seem. And for the record, I didn't say you apologized, it was mentioned elsewhere.
Forum 4 requires a password. No regrets? Open it back up then.
I am curious why you skipped over another post though and got right to the inconsistencies.
Yes, I am a bitch. We agree on both fronts, I'm a bitch, you're not sincere. See how wonderful it is when people can come to a conclusion? (ok, I'll go to hell for that one....again)
Ironically, since Forum4 has been passworded, it's basically just lying there.
We remember two basic things...the good and the bad...yea, I'm over it but I won't forget it.
If you don't give a shit, stop wasting your time defending your actions and do something with or about the negatives you have about the forums.Just sayin...

Originally Posted by ubertuber

Was there ever the slightest chance that one forum would not affect the other?

So far, the only thing I've noted from C:A is a prolonged confirmation that actions always have consequences, regardless of the rules. Thus, there are better reasons to control your behavior than because you'll get in trouble.

Of course, the people in the world who are not idiots knew this all along.

Yea, Charlatan is even smarter than he is goodlooking. So is SuppleCow, MM, Abaya.... Shanifaye...me...
Everyone thinks they won't make a ripple in the pond, then can't figure out what the problem is when they toss pebbles...

[mixedmedia]

Originally Posted by ngdawg

Then please, stop defending yourself. Shades of what went on.....only, in reverse it would seem. And for the record, I didn't say you apologized, it was mentioned elsewhere.
Forum 4 requires a password. No regrets? Open it back up then.
I am curious why you skipped over another post though and got right to the inconsistencies.
Yes, I am a bitch. We agree on both fronts, I'm a bitch, you're not sincere. See how wonderful it is when people can come to a conclusion? (ok, I'll go to hell for that one....again)
Ironically, since Forum4 has been passworded, it's basically just lying there.
We remember two basic things...the good and the bad...yea, I'm over it but I won't forget it.
If you don't give a shit, stop wasting your time defending your actions and do something with or about the negatives you have about the forums.Just sayin...

I think you hit on a point that's been brewing in my mind, ng, and that is...if it's all about accepting every word that comes spewing forth from one's fingertips then why so much angst and resistance to the words been spewed forth on this thread? I would think the obvious reaction to it by those so accepting of full, free and "real" expression would be amusement or indifference. But that doesn't seem to be the case here.

[ngdawg]

Originally Posted by mixedmedia

I think you hit on a point that's been brewing in my mind, ng, and that is...if it's all about accepting every word that comes spewing forth from one's fingertips then why so much angst and resistance to the words been spewed forth on this thread? I would think the obvious reaction to it by those so accepting of full, free and "real" expression would be amusement or indifference. But that doesn't seem to be the case here.

Because we all want to 'look good' in others' eyes, no matter how much we protest otherwise.
I'm not buying the constant 'I don't give a shit' regarding getting respect or looking good. Ironically, when I said that about that point system, the very ones who are claiming I did (I really don't because I don't get it, number one and number two, my selfworth isn't based on a little icon in a forum saying how wonderful I am-that has to come from within) are now claiming over and over that they don't...give a shit.
What I say to them is the same thing they think they were telling me-stop defending your actions(in doing so, you know they weren't stellar). Either fix the problem and move along or STFU.
Sticking a password onto a forum comprised of slamming others tells me they are embarrassed and give a shit. Don't deny-repair.
We are all responsible for what we do. And, like it not, it affects others and reflects on us as human beings.

[Carno]

Actually, the reason there is a password on forum four is because some fellow named Caradoc put one on there for fun when he became a mod.

No other reason than that, certainly nothing as arcane as you seem to think.

[ngdawg]

Originally Posted by Carno

Actually, the reason there is a password on forum four is because some fellow named Caradoc put one on there for fun when he became a mod.

No other reason than that, certainly nothing as arcane as you seem to think.

That's cool...thanks
Coulda put it on any, but whatever....it's Anarchy, it can be taken off too now.

[JumpinJesus]

maybe I can shed some light on the whole Forum 4 locked gossip.

You see, the moderators change daily there, maybe even twice a day, I could be wrong. Either way, one of the moderators not in our clique locked the thread out of fun, he also went through and banned about 10 people and started giving out bad reps for liking the wrong muppet...anyways, tecoyah asked about why the forum was password protected and the mod at the time - I think caradoc - left a hint at what the password was, some of us figured it out and went in just to say we found it. The next moderator changed the password and left more hints that were a little bit harder. This time, when you get in, there's a congratulations thread for guessing the password. That's all that's in there.

If you're that interested, I'll even help you out, since it's not even a secret over there anymore: the password is "hope"

But I have to warn you, you'll be disappointed. The only activity over in the evil Forum 4 is the congratulations thread. One person thinks the idea of password protecting it is silly, even if it is just to see who can unlock it first, and chances are the next moderator will remove the password. It's really no big deal.

Of course, if anyone had bothered to ask, the answer would have been easily forthcoming. But instead, you're all a-twitter with conspiracies about how we're all sulking in there with feelings of guilt and shame. I hate to say it, but we're not.

It's odd, of everyone in here playing the critic (except for ngdawg and daoust, who were participants in the seemingly mythic slugfest that went on), only 2 people have bothered to ask any of us what it was all about. Those 2 people were aberkok and Halx. Well, shanifaye asked me in a PM but I didn't respond to it because I addressed it out in the open in the forum where it started. Instead, you stayed over here, criticizing from afar, content with the one-sided and dishonest accounting of what went on. You see, you can all see the surface for yourselves, but the PMs you can't see, and are relying solely on what you're being told about those PMs to base your opinions. If anyone playing the critics want to do the actual reading and follow the timeline of events, you might find a different picture than the one that's been painted here for you. Of course, since some of the posts have been deleted, I guess there will always be a certain amount of he said/she said involved.

But while you're feeling proud of yourselves for not delving in and patting yourselves on the backs for being more mature than us, keep in mind that none of you bothered to get both sides of the story. And also remember who among the mythic slugfest brought it here first. This thread is 6 pages long, but I'm sure if you're truly interested in what happened, you can go back to see who it was. I'm not talking about: who first started talking about it, but who first complained about it while still engaged in it. Hint, look for post #66

Of course, those of you whose minds are already made up won't bother and the point of discussing this any further becomes moot, but I think it makes a difference looking at who has spent the most energy complaining about it.

It's true that actions speak louder than words, and innumerable posts stating that it's unimportant, including journal entries and hiding their online status only to somehow "stumble" onto something the instant it's posted should do the speaking.

I never changed my name there, I never deleted my posts - they're all still there if you want to see every last one of them - hell, ask me for all my received and sent PMs, timestamps include; I'll quote them and send them to you if you're that titillated by all this, and I didn't bring the fight here. All you have to do is ask me.

You can argue that I'm being defensive if you want, but if you are that interested in what really went on, then you should know the truth, including both sides, even if you no longer wish to hear them.

[Menoman]

Shesus had pretty much nothing to do with the password on forum 4.

That was totally me, having fun. I figured hey, why the hell not right?

Menoman = Caradoc = Menoman = Cammie = Caradoc




The entire forum is a big game, and you guys are blowing it way out of proportion, I played the game for a few days, I easily obtained being a mod and did whatever I felt like doing. It was fun, though mods get less power to actually "Alter" the site than I feel should be placed.

Ever watch "Survivor" the show where people backstab people and form false truce and basically just become viscious winners?

That's what the forum is and it's alot of fun I think.





I actually thought alot of people enjoyed it when I was mod, thought it funny, off the wall, etc etc.

But the amount of negative rep and infractions I'm getting now, and the fact that 3 mods later I'm still not unbanned on my first two accounts, apparently not.



At least I can say I put a hell of alot of effort into making the site into what I wanted it to be (isnt that the idea? Steal this forum?) and now it's basically pointless, because people are too high strung and think they are so 'good' they are above saying what they really think. I'll be lucky to be unbanned judging from the negs I've gotten from people so far.



I didn't run away and cry when I got flamed, and this isn't the first time I got banned either, I didn't whine about that either. I gave it a hell of a shot. That's all i can say.

[Halx]

Originally Posted by ngdawg

Sticking a password onto a forum comprised of slamming others tells me they are embarrassed and give a shit. Don't deny-repair.

Aaaactually that was menoman just being a prankster.

[mixedmedia]

As one of the critics on this thread, I think it fair to say that I am not basing my observations on the conflict between ng and the "clique." I was there. I read all of the posts both on the ng thread and on the one that started it. I've no need to ask what was going on. My views have been directed toward the climate of the forum overall based on my own observation there.

And I am not patting myself on the back for recognizing that I am following my own nature. Maybe you just take it that way? hmm?

Funny thing about this anarchy business...take away the right leg and the wrong leg and all of a sudden you don't have a leg to stand on.

[ngdawg]

Yep, got it.(hal and all, thanks)

And JJ, everyone's seen what went on and they're adult enough to see the timeline and form their own opinions.
The fact of the matter is, you called us petty and only interested in getting that dumbass rep and when I called your assumptions insulting, the mud started flying. Then, as a lark, I went to see what this infraction thing does, since you found it necessary to continue your 'you're all jealous and blahblah monologues' and you all went nuts-how DARE I do that!!!! The final straw was your totally done-for-the-destruction essay. I gave back until that point You were hellbent on some 'she hates us' imaginary agenda, you all couldn't stop. One gets his nuts in a twist and everyone goes mob-mad. And I fed the bear. Daoust steps up, he gets it. And you think it's all great stuff? And continue to defend yourself...It didn't stop there, now it's, hey let's offend EVERYONE! which spills into totally innocuous threads....you shot down Paq, Shanifaye, attempt to shoot down Aberkok and God knows who else. But yea, let's hear both sides.
Gimme a break here....you just can't bring yourself to admit you crossed a line.
Since you seem to think that I have this 'victim-playing' act going on....let me ask this...how many threads were devoted to slamming Tex, who said the exact same things I had? Daoust for trying to get things back on track? That Demo guy for being such a one-line flamer? Yea....didn't think so....
If you're so innocent in all this, why do you keep coming back in here defending the same old crap? You cry 'it's old get over it' and keep going....sheesh...
Go back, do whatever it is you think it needs or whatever it is you want and move on. If we're not interested, we're not interested.

[pan6467]

Originally Posted by mixedmedia

And I am not patting myself on the back for recognizing that I am following my own nature. Maybe you just take it that way? hmm?

Ah but you should pat yourself on the back for it. Recognizing and staying true to one's own nature is very hard and few do it.

[Menoman]

I'm not going to get into this whole arguement right now (well... I probably will but not now hehe)

But I have to disagree with one thing you are saying NG. That is: "you just can't bring yourself to admit you crossed a line."


I feel there are no lines to cross on those forums. If someone wants to be a complete ass (Which I admit, I did for awhile, giving negs to people I didn't really think deserved them) that's cool, they are totally allowed.

[spectre]

Originally Posted by Menoman

I feel there are no lines to cross on those forums. If someone wants to be a complete ass (Which I admit, I did for awhile, giving negs to people I didn't really think deserved them) that's cool, they are totally allowed.

You gave me a negative rating for saying Animal was my favorite of all of the muppets! Which I thought was really funny, by the way.

I'm over there with only one expectation, to have fun the way I used to when I first joined up over here. It has gotten a little stuffy and there's a lot of ego stroking as well as a lot of posturing. I have enough stress in my life, I don't need to add unnecessary drama to it. I needed a release, and that board is providing it. Oddly enough, having that release is also increasing my interest here. I'm not forced to bite my tongue. I just say what I want and can act like the goofy bastard that I am.

And Menoman, I've been laughing most of the crazy shit you've done over there.

[pan6467]

Originally Posted by Menoman

I'm not going to get into this whole arguement right now (well... I probably will but not now hehe)

But I have to disagree with one thing you are saying NG. That is: "you just can't bring yourself to admit you crossed a line."


I feel there are no lines to cross on those forums. If someone wants to be a complete ass (Which I admit, I did for awhile, giving negs to people I didn't really think deserved them) that's cool, they are totally allowed.

Does that include the neg you gave me for "being a drug counselor and I (you, menoman) like drugs."

[Menoman]

lol oh I had forgotten about that one... that was a good one I guess lol

[pig]

I don't even know what to say about this thread, and the root issue behind it. From my perspective, its just internet forums. Some issues came up. It seems that if the parties involved chose, they could deal with those issues and be done with it. Or they could just say fuck it, and move on. Regardless, I hardly see why everyone one else cares so damn much.

I've been having fun over at C:A. No, its not tfp. Yes, the membership is highly overlapped. I thought about the point that C:A could essentially be called Tilted Trampoline 2, but the fact is that in order for it to function, it has to be separate. I think that will become more interesting as time passes. But its like saying that you'll have the same experience if you go to an upscale nightclub, or a hole in the wall. They might have the same beer on tap, but the experience will be totally different. You can go with the same people, but you'll have completely different conversations. And if you take too much of it too seriously, you'll get in some sort of stupid argument before the night is over.

I am concerned about the possibility / probability of issues leaking back from C:A to tfp, but in the long run I think that's for the best. If the only thing making people think they like each other is because they are limited by some veneer of civility here, I would think all parties interested would want to know that. Personally, I've never found tfp to be limiting at all, and I've said some pretty crude shit here. I think its all in the delivery, but nonetheless...

I agree with spectre: stop taking all this so seriously.

[Bill O'Rights]

Originally Posted by pan6467

Recognizing and staying true to one's own nature is very hard and few do it.

I disagree.

Staying true to one's own true nature isn't (or shouldn't be) hard at all. It should be second...no...it should be first nature.

Originally Posted by pigglet

its just internet forums.

This bears repeating.

It's...just...internet...forums.

Do I think that C:A was a bad idea? Yes. I do. I've already said that, and I still do. Know what? I haven't been back since I first took the "tour".
That said...in the end, it just doesn't matter whether or not I am respected by, or even liked by, anyone on here...or there, for that matter. I have a life (pathetic as it may be) outside the imaginary confines of these hallowed halls. I would prefer, of course, to be liked and respected. But I'm not naive enough to expect that that is always going to happen.

In short...get over it. Let's move on.

It has been said...by a little goofball that I have come to respect...that this place has become a PTA meeting with porn. I'm beginning to see what he meant by that.
Someone wanna pass the brownies?

[ngdawg]

Originally Posted by pigglet

I don't even know what to say about this thread, and the root issue behind it. From my perspective, its just internet forums. Some issues came up. It seems that if the parties involved chose, they could deal with those issues and be done with it. Or they could just say fuck it, and move on. Regardless, I hardly see why everyone one else cares so damn much.

I've been having fun over at C:A. No, its not tfp. Yes, the membership is highly overlapped. I thought about the point that C:A could essentially be called Tilted Trampoline 2, but the fact is that in order for it to function, it has to be separate. I think that will become more interesting as time passes. But its like saying that you'll have the same experience if you go to an upscale nightclub, or a hole in the wall. They might have the same beer on tap, but the experience will be totally different. You can go with the same people, but you'll have completely different conversations. And if you take too much of it too seriously, you'll get in some sort of stupid argument before the night is over.

I am concerned about the possibility / probability of issues leaking back from C:A to tfp, but in the long run I think that's for the best. If the only thing making people think they like each other is because they are limited by some veneer of civility here, I would think all parties interested would want to know that. Personally, I've never found tfp to be limiting at all, and I've said some pretty crude shit here. I think its all in the delivery, but nonetheless...

I agree with spectre: stop taking all this so seriously.

It's really hard to do when it starts out as a slugfest, then spills over with people playing this 'she/he started it-I always hated her/him-I'm just defending myself' bullshit.
I never took things seriously-life's a game and no one 'wins'-but when you start that crap and allow it to fester, 'seriously' takes over.
Both here and there, people I'd respected came out with "i always hated you and this is why' and I'm sitting here thinking 'wtf did I do to you???'
The cow is out of the barn-you can't just close the door.
I gave infractions as a joke and got slammed for it unmercifully and flooded with those stupid things.
Sorry, but that is not my idea of a fun time.
'Just the internet' is a copout. It doesn't give permission for people to treat others like shit. And if that's the fun everyone wants because it's 'just the internet', no thanks. I go in unregistered and it's fluff and high school lunchroom anyway.
Hal had mentioned that he wanted more action, more traffic, etc. I don't think that bringing hatred in is the way to go about it, nor is bringing in 'fluff'.
And if you have to constantly defend your actions and try to save face in something you called 'fun', then maybe you need to rethink your reasons for doing what you do and why you're here.
You can't sell people on something when it started out as crap.

[pig]

huh? i don't have jackshit against you ng, so i don't know if you're directly addressing me with the latter portion of that response or not. i would assume not, because otherwise it makes no sense.

i honestly don't know the full backstory to all the drama that is apparently surrounding this little feud, and i'll readily admit i have virtually no interest in trying to figure it out. i am saying that i don't think its viable to dismiss the possibility of the entire C:A forum because some bad blood came to the surface in its initial phases. i would predict that in 3 months, if C:A is still floating around this whole thing will be nothing, other than perhaps an inside joke.

i'm reminded of a thread that popped up several months ago. i can't remember exactly what it was, but i believe it was one of the umpteen "smoking/no smoking / polite to smokers / smokers should all eat shit and die" threads going on. king made some typical off-color, smartass king comment - that wouldn't have caused anyone to bat an eye around here a couple of years ago. however, almost everyone in the thread came jumping down, and i think it was politicophile in particular, about how horrible the comment was, and particularly from a moderator, and how could this behavior be tolerated, and won't someone think of the children?

i think that the atmosphere around here has become almost too high-brow, in some of the conversations, to allow for the levity that can also come with the internet communication format. i think C:A allows people to exhibit that playful side of their personalities. its probably not for everyone, but for some people its fun. i don't know - i told jj he was a bucket of puss or some such shit, and he's promised vengence on me several times.

i'm sure its because i have a different perspective being on the outside of it, but i've had people say some pretty rude things to me on these forums as well. in particular, i've had a few sparring matches with knifemissile about atheism - he's insinutated a few times that i'm a dumbass on the subject. hell, he may be right. i've told him to eat it a few times, not in so many words. but somehow i can still shoot the shit with him across threads too. i don't know, i just don't get the melodramatic element of it...maybe i'm just used to kicking shit at my friends as a way of keeping each other deflated.

regardless, that sort of interaction isn't encouraged or tolerated here at tfp, so if people want to indulge it somewhere else, i don't really see the harm. no one has to get involved. i can't speak for others, but i don't see it changing my perspective on anyone involved in it too much - people are too complex for me to have believed that they were limited by their portrayals in this tfp space to begin with - so i'm not too surprised when a different face appears elsewhere. i actually kind of like it, but i'm just whacky like that. i don't expect y'all to be perfect.

[ngdawg]

No...like the crap that started it, 'you' is a euphemism for 'anyone' (just less letters).
I've had go-rounds too, but they're mild compared to another forum I frequent.
I don't find intentional 'hate' essays and bashing threads to be an inside joke-once it's out, it's out.
If you haven't seen it, it's just as well, but it's all there if you're into that kind of perversity. Even there, while doing my own mudslinging, I never sunk to that 'I hate you and this is why'crap(why anyone hates is a mystery to me)...and that is the reason I will no longer post there. What's the point? To feed the bear again?
If you weren't a part of it or witnessed it, you're in with a clean slate and nothing to defend later-that's a good thing and it keeps you going back.
There are, however, quite a few of us who were knocked about and don't wish to get back into the ring. There's simply no point in it.
And yea, the final straw was hurtful-and it's still there for everyone to read, comment on, etc. Why on earth would I go back, besides the point that it was made abundantly clear by those who had their 'fun' that I am not welcome, regardless of the nick I use.
And for those who are rolling their eyes at this right now, Yea, what about it? I didn't make that bed and I won't sleep in it. If that's 'playing victim', so be it. It's self-preservation. I have no need for those that have no need for me and I don't go where I'm not invited.

So...who's gonna win the Daytona 500 opener in 3 weeks, eh?

[pig]

hey, i guess you gotta do what you gotta do. On one hand, I dislike the fact that you had that experience over at C:A; on the other hand, I think that perhaps the "airing of grievances" can be a good thing. Usually, there's a little bit of truth on both sides of those types of things, so after the hurt has eased some maybe there's something useful in it? Hell, maybe not. I think all that will settle down after a bit, but then again - I don't really have a horse in your particular race, so to speak.

It's kind of hard for me to take anything seriously right now...I'm sick and watching Groundhog Day...so it kind of negates all negativity. When Bill Murray is on, he's on.

For what its worth, as you know I hate NASCAR - but my uncle used to work in the pits for one of the big racers in the 80's. I think it was Darrel Waltrip...whoever he was, he raced out of Spartanburg SC. My uncle (and my cousins and their friends and their fiances and their trophy deer heads) would probably put me to the torch for it, but best of luck to whomever in the Daytona.

[Menoman]

You're still taking it way too seriously, whoopidy doo...

Someone didn't like you, some people jumped in, just to ge t in on the action. It's not that big of a deal.

Daytona suxx I go to Martinsville and bristol every year though.

[ngdawg]

Originally Posted by Menoman

You're still taking it way too seriously, whoopidy doo...

Someone didn't like you, some people jumped in, just to ge t in on the action. It's not that big of a deal.

Daytona suxx I go to Martinsville and bristol every year though.

Yea, doing BOTH bristol races this year!!

Eh, when someone says they 'hate' me(and throw in vitriolic venom to back it up) when I'd liked them all along, yea I tend to take it seriously *shrug*

[pan6467]

Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights

I disagree.

Staying true to one's own true nature isn't (or shouldn't be) hard at all. It should be second...no...it should be first nature.

Depends on how you define nature. Some think that being flip-floppy is a person's nature.... in 99% of cases it isn't it was a survival skill they learned at a young age.

If you desire to be approved of more than be who you are, you won't be true to your nature.

It is extremely hard for people to be true to themselves... hence we have a cause for: drug addiction, psychological issues, criminal actions, etc.

Believe it or not I have a feeling, being true to oneself is a rarity, and one of the hardest things to do.

This bears repeating.

It's...just...internet...forums

Yes, but lasting friendships and relationships can be started on forums. The only difference between say a forum and meeting these people at the corner pub is we're not face to face, so it can be hard to interpret tone, otherwise, it's pretty much the same. Except, I can't buy the house a drink......

[aberkok]

Originally Posted by pan6467

The only difference between say a forum and meeting these people at the corner pub is we're not face to face, so it can be hard to interpret tone, otherwise, it's pretty much the same. Except, I can't buy the house a drink......

Well, let's not be so hasty... I have a PayPal account...

[ngdawg]

Originally Posted by pan6467

Depends on how you define nature. Some think that being flip-floppy is a person's nature.... in 99% of cases it isn't it was a survival skill they learned at a young age.

If you desire to be approved of more than be who you are, you won't be true to your nature.

It is extremely hard for people to be true to themselves... hence we have a cause for: drug addiction, psychological issues, criminal actions, etc.

Believe it or not I have a feeling, being true to oneself is a rarity, and one of the hardest things to do.

I can 'amen' that-it took my first 45 years to see that trying to be the 'pleaser' wasn't working; it's a lot of work to constantly play eveyone else's games and not internalize. I internalized-an inner scream that finally came out because someone could hear it and forced it out.
My 'true nature' is simple and not too hard to do-'I come first'. If it displeases me, it's not for me. Life's short-there's no 'do-overs'.
I'd rather be selfish and happy than that wimp I was and miserable.(she still rears her ugly head once in a while, but I bat her down

Yes, but lasting friendships and relationships can be started on forums. The only difference between say a forum and meeting these people at the corner pub is we're not face to face, so it can be hard to interpret tone, otherwise, it's pretty much the same. Except, I can't buy the house a drink......

Sure ya can....it'd just cost an arm and a leg shipping all that beer(I'll take a wine cooler)
Everyone of the closest people to my heart(except family, of course) were friendships developed on-line and, interestingly enough, through an online club.
They're not 'entities'. My very best friend is the one I'll be going with to the races at BMS-she lives a mile away. We end every call with 'I love you'-it's not just the internet to some of us.

Originally Posted by aberkok

Well, let's not be so hasty... I have a PayPal account...

hmmm..so do I...do they take booze?