Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community  

Go Back   Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community > Chatter > General Discussion


 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 04-19-2003, 12:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
Psycho
 
Location: Sweden
Why start the week on sunday?

When I set up my user profile again there was this question if I wanted to start my week on Sunday or on Monday. If I understand things right the week starts on sundays in some countries, what is the reason for this? Isn't the the sunday the end of the week in the bible, something like "and on the last day he rested"?

Explain to me please...
Nad Adam is offline  
Old 04-19-2003, 12:16 AM   #2 (permalink)
who?
 
phredgreen's Avatar
 
Location: the phoenix metro
wow. i've never really considered that, but i'll venture a guess. because one is to put god first in all things (if one beleives in such a manner), perhaps they put god's day as the first day of the week in deference to their maker. just a thought.
__________________
My country is the world, and my religion is to do good.
- Thomas Paine
phredgreen is offline  
Old 04-19-2003, 12:20 AM   #3 (permalink)
Psycho
 
mokle's Avatar
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
It is a religious thing, Nad is correct.
__________________
Mokle
"Your hands can't hit what your eyes can't see" -Ali
mokle is offline  
Old 04-19-2003, 12:26 AM   #4 (permalink)
Crazy
 
Wyckd's Avatar
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
it is because God had finished building earth that day. and therefore was the First day of life.


its like.. if you build a computer on monday, you can use it that day you finished it. get it?
Wyckd is offline  
Old 04-19-2003, 12:28 AM   #5 (permalink)
big damn hero
 
guthmund's Avatar
 
I simply do it because my calendar tells me too.....
__________________
No signature. None. Seriously.
guthmund is offline  
Old 04-19-2003, 12:34 AM   #6 (permalink)
Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!!
 
Location: IN, USA
Personally I don't get it from a religous or NON-religous matter.

Religous:
As stated, God rested on the 7th day with is to be Sunday. I spose it COULD be Saturday (the seventh day). We're allowed to be wrong by a day right?

Non-Religous:
Well, No one hates Sunday, and no one LOVES Monday. Everyone HATE the beginning of the week, but again no one really hates Sunday, they just hate Monday. To evaluate this further, We call Saturday + Sunday the weekEND. Well if its the weekend, then why do start the week with it? (heh, I feel like George Carlin.)

Just some food for thought
__________________
RoboBlaster:
Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.
GakFace is offline  
Old 04-19-2003, 12:38 AM   #7 (permalink)
Crazy
 
Wyckd's Avatar
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
maybe saturday and sunday are called weekends, because if you look at a piece of rope..

A---------------------------------B

"A" and "B" are ends of the rope... so as to the week.. saturday and sunday, are the ends of the week..

and also, im a religoius person, and i practice my religion often and study its scriptures. and God possibly didnt create life in 7 HUMAN days, probably in a matter of seconds, the only reason the bible states the 7 days, is so he can set a guideline for us to live our lives daily. so as , to set an example on how to use the hours of those days... something like that.
Wyckd is offline  
Old 04-19-2003, 01:39 AM   #8 (permalink)
Psycho
 
Location: Drifting.
Monday seems the logical choice for now, as its the beginning of the "weekday" ...
Originally Sunday, then later Saturday were arbitrarily assigned as "week ends" a long time ago, and its stuck. why? well, its about as good as nameing any other days as weekends =)
Loki is offline  
Old 04-19-2003, 02:13 AM   #9 (permalink)
Delicious
 
Reese's Avatar
 
God built the earth in 6 days and rested the Seventh, which we've named sunday. So what the hell did he do the 8th day? Did he work on the 14th day? I'm so Confused!
/sarcasm

I was thinking that Sat/Sun were called "Week Ends" which was later shortened to Weekend so when its used plural and say "next weekend" on a saturday the person doesn't think tomorrow :P Hey its possible!
__________________
“It is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick” - Dave Barry
Reese is offline  
Old 04-19-2003, 03:58 AM   #10 (permalink)
Insane
 
ooo Wcykd (how do you say that? "Wissykaydid"? "Wickyaded")? I like the rope-ends analogy. And if you untwisted the strands what do you get? Fray-day. . .

I'm sorry, that was sooo bad. I apologize.
BubblegumTeflon is offline  
Old 04-19-2003, 04:11 AM   #11 (permalink)
Loser
 
Because the calendar industry decided to put the Last day first,
as a sign of respect.
rogue49 is offline  
Old 04-19-2003, 05:33 AM   #12 (permalink)
Watcher
 
billege's Avatar
 
Location: Ohio
I start my week Monday night at midnight. My "Friday" is Saturday morning. I never know what day it is. For me, this is just a non issue. Confusion reigns supreme.
__________________
I can sum up the clash of religion in one sentence:
"My Invisible Friend is better than your Invisible Friend."
billege is offline  
Old 04-19-2003, 05:37 AM   #13 (permalink)
Insane
 
Location: Boston
because it just does, but if you think of it, it really doesn't.

Work week starts saturdays, and many cultures start weeks on different days. Its all just a continuous circle, it don't matter.

but also there is a theory that they but sunday first because day comes before night

Sun-day before Moon-day (Monday)

Day before Night, yada yada yada .... study the ancient Celts, they're into all that stuff
Baricua2782 is offline  
Old 04-19-2003, 06:21 AM   #14 (permalink)
Addict
 
Location: Grey Britain
I think Baricua2782's onto it, although it may be more as a sign of greater respect to the Sun than the Moon, as it had greater impact on their lives.

That said, having been to Scotland, I'm suprised they even knew the Sun existed
__________________
"No one was behaving from very Buddhist motives. Then, thought Pigsy, he was hardly a Buddha, nor was he a monkey. Presently, he was a pig spirit changed into a little girl pretending to be a little boy to be offered to a water monster. It was all very simple to a pig spirit."
John Henry is offline  
Old 04-19-2003, 08:52 AM   #15 (permalink)
Psycho
 
Location: Where hockey pucks run rampant
If you're going to go by the religious thing, this is how it happened.

God made the Earth in 6 days and then rested on the 7th. Now the first day of Creation was Sunday and the last day, Saturday, was the day that He rested. This was why the Jews rested on Saturday (it was the day that God took off after doing His lil' project.........ya know, the whole universe).

The day of rest changed, however, when Jesus came around. We all just had Good Friday and Easter, right? Those are the reasons we now have our day of rest on Sunday. Christ died on Friday and then rose on Sunday. Just as He experienced His revieval on Sunday, it was thought that we should, too. What with our society holding its roots in Judeo-Chrisitainity, that is why we have Sunday as our day of rest.

Now, the debate still remains as to whether we should start the week with the day of rest or end it. Apparently, rest comes before work, so it's all good.
__________________
Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way!
duckduck is offline  
Old 04-20-2003, 05:52 PM   #16 (permalink)
COMPLETED and A TRAINER
 
Location: BEAN_TOWN
Because my work week reall does start on Sunday!
__________________
LEATHER, LATEX and LACE "SSC"
"Nothing That Gives Pleasure is Bad"

Quality is for those who know
what they want and are at peace with what they have.

"S/M is about emotion; the erotic tension between my impulse toward something and my resistance against it."-- Virginia Barker

i8one2 is offline  
Old 04-20-2003, 05:58 PM   #17 (permalink)
Junkie
 
greytone's Avatar
 
I did not realize that there were different conventions about this until I got my first Palm Pilot and had to choose. When we use shorthand for a date in the US we put the month first. In most of Europe, they use the date first. It can be a source of confusion. In some cultures they use a comma for a decimal and we use it to separate every three orders of magnitude. I guess software that is meant for worldwide release just has to be individualized with regards to these kind of things.

And, duckduck is right that Saturday was the 7th day in the old testement. That is why it remains the Sabbath for Jewish people.
__________________
I was there to see beautiful naked women. So was everybody else. It's a common failing.
Robert A Heinlein in "They Do It With Mirrors"
greytone is offline  
Old 04-20-2003, 06:00 PM   #18 (permalink)
comfortably numb...
 
uncle phil's Avatar
 
Super Moderator
Location: upstate
ahh, semantics...
__________________
"We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done."
- Robert S. McNamara
-----------------------------------------
"We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches...
We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles."
- Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message"
-----------------------------------------
never wrestle with a pig.
you both get dirty;
the pig likes it.
uncle phil is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 05:33 AM   #19 (permalink)
rolls good
 
Yes, the Jewish Sabbath was the 6th and final day of the week. The new week starts over on the day after Sabbath.

As stated, God rested on the 7th day and Jesus arose on Sunday (which the Bible refers to as "the first day of the week"). The early Christians (who were mostly of Jewish ancestry) began meeting together on Sunday to honor and remember Christ because the Sabbath was otherwise occupied with Jewish activities and rules, etc.

So the whole issue of Sunday being the "first" day simply means "the day after the Sabbath (which is also Saturday), when the new week begins".

But many people just think of Monday as the first day, because they also think of Sunday as being part of the "weekEND".
thirdsun is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 09:51 AM   #20 (permalink)
Human
 
SecretMethod70's Avatar
 
Administrator
Location: Chicago
I like Sunday as the beginning because then it feels like you can ease into the new week. The first day is still a day off, but one which you can use to plan the rest of the week. Saturday, on the other hand, is the day off to enjoy the break from the previous week.
__________________
Le temps détruit tout

"Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling
SecretMethod70 is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 09:59 AM   #21 (permalink)
follower of the child's crusade?
 
Ive no clue, it just *does*

I think the calendar we follow is originally Roman rather than Christian so I dont know thats its biblical, I dont really know... but I know that when my spreadsheets fuck up the date reverts to the "Julian" date sometimes.

You have to start the week on one day or another, and Sunday is just the day it is I guess.
_

Then again a lot of the days are named after much newer Gods (ie - Odin is "Mr Wednesday").. but maybe thats just in English... I guess in China they name the days after Chinese Gods, etc.
__________________
"Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate,
for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing
hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain
without being uncovered."

The Gospel of Thomas

Last edited by Strange Famous; 08-30-2009 at 10:01 AM..
Strange Famous is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 11:19 AM   #22 (permalink)
WHEEEE! Whee! Whee! WHEEEE!
 
FuglyStick's Avatar
 
Location: Southern Illinois
If they move Sunday, will the NFL follow? I need to know...
__________________
AZIZ! LIGHT!
FuglyStick is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 11:29 AM   #23 (permalink)
Evil Priest: The Devil Made Me Do It!
 
Daniel_'s Avatar
 
Location: Southern England
Does the bible actually name the days?

I thought it numbered them only in Genesis.
__________________
╔═════════════════════════════════════════╗
Overhead, the Albatross hangs motionless upon the air,
And deep beneath the rolling waves,
In labyrinths of Coral Caves,
The Echo of a distant time
Comes willowing across the sand;
And everthing is Green and Submarine

╚═════════════════════════════════════════╝
Daniel_ is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 12:09 PM   #24 (permalink)
Junkie
 
Location: My head.
My week starts on a Monday because I'm NORMAL!
Xerxys is offline  
Old 08-30-2009, 01:24 PM   #25 (permalink)
The Reforms
 
Jetée's Avatar
 
Location: Rarely, if ever, here or there, but always in transition
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel_ View Post
Does the bible actually name the days?

I thought it numbered them only in Genesis.
The official first day of the week, based on the Norse mythos (which later was adopted by the Romans and remolded slightly), as we now know and utilize them, always had Sunday as the first day of the week. It makes sense if you look at the logically in that the beginning of the week would be a celebration of the Sun, usually associated with beginnings, sunrises, etc.

Saturday, which was also known as the "Sabbath" or the "seventh day" for early Jews and Christians based on the teachings of the Torah, Qu'ran, and first millenia Christian Bible, was the universal religious day of rest for those that observed the laws of their Church, and the Bible story of creation.

Saturn's day was once referred to as Dies Saturni (the day of Saturn) in the Roman Catholic Empire that took hold in the majority of Europe. Alternatively, as it is more commonly known in Latin and Romantic languages, Saturday still, in a fair share of European countries, their language, and their influence (S. America, E. Asia) is in some confluence still referred to as the once-regarded Sabbath, or sabado (sabato, Σάββατο, etc.). Now, from the influence of what was the Roman Catholicism, there were some schisms and reforms to how the days of the week would be from hence forth allocated.

To keep it short, the Roman Catholic Church took it upon themselves to celebrate the day of Jesus's resurrection more fully; so, in that vein, the Church took the most prominent day of the week, Sunday (which is a celebration of the Sun that sustains us on Earth, and also as a play-on-words as the "Son of God") and incorporated it with the most prominent observation of the time, the day of rest known as the Sabbath. In essence, it was just a slight bump in the order and numeration of the days of the week; while the days remained unchanged in order, day #1 became day #7 (Sunday).

As for me, I still refer to Sunday as the first day of the week, Monday two, and onward. But from what was changed centuries ago by the Roman Catholic Empire regarding the progression of the days of the week, (and for that matter, the progression of months... September-December were always months #7-10 before new months July and August came into creation and significance) I "observe" the Sabbath as the midway point in between Saturday and Sunday. After all, in the Western world, most of us at least know that we can get both days of the weekend to rest, therefore what was once the singular seventh day of rest, is now a two-for-one deal.

I do know that in the Middle East still, the Sabbath begins at sundown on Friday and lasts until the twilight between Saturday/Sunday,
I provided this historical expalantion as a more topical reason as to was why Sunday and Monday, especially in North and South America, are confused sometimes and interchangeable as the recognized and "offical" first day of the week.
__________________
As human beings, our greatness lies not so much in being able to remake the world (that is the myth of the Atomic Age) as in being able to remake ourselves.
Mohandas K. Gandhi
Jetée is offline  
Old 08-31-2009, 04:44 AM   #26 (permalink)
rolls good
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel_ View Post
Does the bible actually name the days?

I thought it numbered them only in Genesis.
The Hebrews (i.e., the Jews referred to in the Bible) did have names for the other days of the week, but I don't know what they were off-hand.

But you're right. In the creation account in Genesis 1, there are no names assigned to the individual days, just numbers. The Old Testament eventually uses the word Sabbath for the seventh day, but not until the giving of the Law when God gave Moses all the rules and regulations for the Hebrew people.

The New Testament uses: "the first day of the week" (meaning the day after the Sabbath) but as stated elsewhere in the thread, the actual name of this day is a historical and extra-Biblical topic.
thirdsun is offline  
 

Tags
start, sunday, week

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:38 PM.

Tilted Forum Project

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
© 2002-2012 Tilted Forum Project

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360