Dog, the bounty hunter, arrested. - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

magictoy · 09-14-2006, 06:44 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/14/dog.bounty/index.html

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(CNN) -- Duane "Dog" Chapman, the self-proclaimed world's most-famous bounty hunter who achieved notoriety nabbing thousands of bail jumpers was arrested Thursday for allegedly jumping bail in Mexico.

U.S. marshals arrested the star of the A&E reality show "Dog the Bounty Hunter" at his home in Hawaii at the request of the Mexican government.

Chapman was wanted in connection with his highly publicized 2003 capture of Max Factor cosmetics heir Andrew Luster, who fled to Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, after skipping out on a $1 million bail.

Luster was later convicted in-absentia on 86 charges involving drugging three women with the date-rape drug, GHB, and raping them. Luster is serving a 124-year sentence. (Full story)

Chapman's son, Leland, also was arrested Thursday, as was colleague Tim Chapman, who is unrelated but considered a "blood brother" by Dog, according to the reality show's Web site.

Marshals knocked on the door of Chapman's home just after 6 a.m., and they entered the home after the unlatched door came open, said Deputy U.S. Marshal Jay Bieber.

Chapman was cooperative, Bieber said. He was handcuffed and placed in the back of a government vehicle.

Chapman's wife, Beth, told MSNBC her husband was being held in a federal detention center in Honolulu.

The arrest warrant is under seal, and charges are expected to be announced Friday when Chapman is scheduled to appear before a magistrate's court in Honolulu.

Larry Butrick, chief of the criminal division of the U.S. attorney's office in Hawaii, said Chapman was arrested by Mexican authorities in June 2003 on charges of illegal detention and conspiracy.

The magistrate will determine whether Chapman can be extradited to Mexico, and the final decision will be made by the U.S. secretary of state, according to the U.S. attorney's office in Hawaii.

Mexican police said that the three men subdued Luster outside a nightclub, put him in an SUV and drove off June 18, 2003. Police stopped the vehicles soon afterward and took the men into custody.

Chapman and his crew were not authorized to track Luster and take him into custody in Mexico, Mexican officials said at the time, adding that bounty hunting is illegal in Mexico.

Judge Jose de Jesus Pineda ordered the three men to stand trial on charges of unlawful detention and deprivation of freedom, charges which carry sentences of up to four years in prison.

Pineda granted the men bail -- $1,500 each -- but the three were supposed to check in regularly with police and get Pineda's permission before traveling outside the Mexican state of Jalisco, a prosecutor said.

The men did not, supervising prosecutor Marco Roberto Suarez said in July 2003, threatening to have the men arrested and returned to Mexico if they missed their scheduled appearance before Pineda.

The following month, Superior Court Judge Edward Brodie in Ventura County, California, ruled that Chapman was not entitled to any of the $1 million in bail money forfeited by Luster when he fled to Mexico. (Full story)

"I cannot do vigilante justice," Brodie said. "In my view, you violated state statutes and Mexican statutes. Therefore you are not entitled to any restitution."

Chapman later said he was proud that he had captured Luster, but regretted doing it "in the wrong way."

"Dog the Bounty Hunter," in which Chapman and his family chase down bail jumpers and other fugitives, is one of A&E's most popular series. It is in its third season.

CNN's Deborah Feyerick contributed to this report.

So Dog got arrested for arresting someone in Mexico, where arresting people is illegal.

Yeah, yeah, I know. If Mexico is so desperate to catch criminals, why don't they hang around the border, and catch all of the people breaking OUR laws?

politicophile · 09-14-2006, 06:56 PM

I bet he's praying really hard that he doesn't know his future cellmate...

ASU2003 · 09-14-2006, 07:09 PM

Interpol should hire him as a really part-time employee. Then he could go anywhere Interpol operates and say he is working for them, if he isn't in the US.

feelgood · 09-14-2006, 08:00 PM

It seems on the show he really respect the law of the state regarding bounty hunting but when he went to Mexico to pick up this Max Factor guy, he completely ignored Mexico's law. It's entirely a different side from what we normally see of him.

Then again, television is never what it seems to be

ASU2003 · 09-14-2006, 08:26 PM

What ever happened to that Max Factor guy? Is he in jail still in the US?

I think part of the problem was that Dog didn't turn the guy over to Mexican authorities after he caught him. They probably wanted an extridition hearing and such.

I know I don't have a problem with someone tracking down a serial rapist where ever they are. Mexico should be glad that they got him off the street, but then again, the guy probably had a huge house on the beach, a fancy car and didn't need to rape the women down there. He was probably spending a lot of money and helping the local economy. But the rapist guy should do the time in US jail if he did the crime.

Anyway, I wouldn't think very much will come of this arrest. I bet he just gets a fine.

feelgood · 09-14-2006, 09:49 PM

Actually no, bounty hunting is illegal in Mexico and they were arrested for it and released on bail on condition that they report to a judge periodically. Oh, the irony...

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Chapman and his crew were not authorized to track Luster and take him into custody in Mexico, Mexican officials said at the time, adding that bounty hunting is illegal in Mexico.

Judge Jose de Jesus Pineda ordered the three men to stand trial on charges of unlawful detention and deprivation of freedom, charges which carry sentences of up to four years in prison.

Infinite_Loser · 09-14-2006, 10:26 PM

If I were the US government I would have laughed at the Mexican government and told them that if they wanted him so bad that they should hire a bounty hunter to get him.

lindalove · 09-15-2006, 01:09 AM

How will this affect Andrew Luster? Please tell me that he's still in jail and will remain there.

filtherton · 09-15-2006, 05:21 AM

Luster is serving somewhere around 128 years in prison. He was convicted in absentia and nothing dog did will change that.

FoolThemAll · 09-15-2006, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Infinite_Loser

If I were the US government I would have laughed at the Mexican government and told them that if they wanted him so bad that they should hire a bounty hunter to get him.

Ditto.

Considering its extradition policy, Mexico's law against bounty hunting deserves no respect from Dog or from this country. I'm disappointed that he may actually be returned to Mexico. That judge seriously needs some perspective.

That show bored the hell out of me, though.

Smooth23 · 09-16-2006, 06:19 PM

I was never impressed by 'dog'. Not sad to see him go, really.

lindalove · 09-21-2006, 06:20 AM

I saw the special. It did give out the info and facts straight-out. I kinda feel bad for Dog and his posse, since they thought it was all behind them, and then out of the blue, it's HI, MARSHALS!

It might take them a long time to get this matter resolved, and at the moment, they have an extremely strict curfew. Can't go more than 130 ft. from where the tracker is from 11:00 P.M. to 5:00 A.M. or it will go off and alert their parole officers.

I'm kinda wondering how that will affect Dog's job in capturing fugitives, since it seems like they do a lot of night work.

He actually reconsidered bounty hunting for a moment or two in jail. He's said that he won't quit, though, so we'll see what happens.

What's kinda weird is that the statue of limitations expires for them this year (three years). Makes me wonder why they waited this long to get Dog and the crew. Would they have NOT gone after them if they didn't have a T.V. show? Or do they just not care about them, until they need something?

MSD · 09-21-2006, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth23

I was never impressed by 'dog'. Not sad to see him go, really.

I don't particularly like him, but he did the right thing by bringing in a rapist and another country's asinine laws are forcing us to hand him over. Considering the Mexican government displays almost complete disregard for our laws when they publish books on how to get across the border illegally or allow their military to provide covering fire to sneak drug runners and illegals across our border, I don't think it would be out of line to give their government the finger and refuse to extradite.

kate jack · 06-06-2007, 07:31 AM

Looks like the only new thing is that the Utah Attny General is petitioning for a pardon on the extradition proceedings.

source: http://www.tvgrapevine.com/index.php....msg31399.html

lt1s10 · 06-07-2007, 12:57 AM

I dunno how I feel about him really. There's too much showboating and posturing for the camera for me to take him seriously. I know he has to be entertaining or they would cancel the show but it's way over the top for me. And it seems kind of conflicting when then pray for God to help them before the bounty. But while they're chasing the fugitive it's "you better call me motherf*****", "motherf***** get on the ground now", "you're a pussy, you better keep running cause I'm gonna get you", etc.

tenniels · 06-07-2007, 01:29 AM

I don't watch his show or feel one way or the other about him, but the whole thing seems a bit stupid in my opinion. Didn't get apprehend a bad dude? I think that's a good thing. Just my opinion though.

Luciian · 06-07-2007, 01:43 PM

He did and it is, but you still have to honor the laws of the country or state you are working withing. Otherwise all we have is chaos.

jorgelito · 06-07-2007, 08:36 PM

But the irony is, that country doesn't give a flying fuck about our laws.

FoolThemAll · 06-08-2007, 05:05 AM

Plus, it seems likely that this one instance of defying a country's laws brought order and not chaos. Ignoring the laws all the time, sure, that'd bring some chaos. But once in a while, it's possible for the right course of action to include a little lawbreaking. Laws don't always and automatically deserve 100% respect.

hulk · 06-08-2007, 06:21 PM

Ah - but where do you draw the line? If you think things are bad now, imagine how much worse they could get with a little vindication for Mexico's behaviour.

EaseUp · 06-10-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by hulk

Ah - but where do you draw the line? If you think things are bad now, imagine how much worse they could get with a little vindication for Mexico's behaviour.

I don't see how things could get a lot worse in regard to Mexico's trying to dictate our laws, but whining like a jet engine when we don't follow theirs.

09-14-2006, 06:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
politicophile Addict	I bet he's praying really hard that he doesn't know his future cellmate... __________________ The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error. ~John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

09-14-2006, 08:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
feelgood Free Mars! Location: I dunno, there's white people around me saying "eh" all the time	It seems on the show he really respect the law of the state regarding bounty hunting but when he went to Mexico to pick up this Max Factor guy, he completely ignored Mexico's law. It's entirely a different side from what we normally see of him. Then again, television is never what it seems to be __________________ Looking out the window, that's an act of war. Staring at my shoes, that's an act of war. Committing an act of war? Oh you better believe that's an act of war

09-14-2006, 09:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
feelgood Free Mars! Location: I dunno, there's white people around me saying "eh" all the time	Actually no, bounty hunting is illegal in Mexico and they were arrested for it and released on bail on condition that they report to a judge periodically. Oh, the irony... [quote] Chapman and his crew were not authorized to track Luster and take him into custody in Mexico, Mexican officials said at the time, adding that bounty hunting is illegal in Mexico. Judge Jose de Jesus Pineda ordered the three men to stand trial on charges of unlawful detention and deprivation of freedom, charges which carry sentences of up to four years in prison. __________________ Looking out the window, that's an act of war. Staring at my shoes, that's an act of war. Committing an act of war? Oh you better believe that's an act of war

09-14-2006, 10:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
Infinite_Loser Junkie Location: Lake Mary, FL	If I were the US government I would have laughed at the Mexican government and told them that if they wanted him so bad that they should hire a bounty hunter to get him. __________________ I believe in equality; Everyone is equally inferior to me.

06-07-2007, 01:29 AM	#16 (permalink)
tenniels Insane Location: Oh Canada!!	I don't watch his show or feel one way or the other about him, but the whole thing seems a bit stupid in my opinion. Didn't get apprehend a bad dude? I think that's a good thing. Just my opinion though. __________________ I like things. And stuff. But I prefer to have things over stuff.

09-14-2006, 07:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
ASU2003 immoral minority Location: Back in Ohio	Interpol should hire him as a really part-time employee. Then he could go anywhere Interpol operates and say he is working for them, if he isn't in the US.

09-14-2006, 08:26 PM	#5 (permalink)
ASU2003 immoral minority Location: Back in Ohio	What ever happened to that Max Factor guy? Is he in jail still in the US? I think part of the problem was that Dog didn't turn the guy over to Mexican authorities after he caught him. They probably wanted an extridition hearing and such. I know I don't have a problem with someone tracking down a serial rapist where ever they are. Mexico should be glad that they got him off the street, but then again, the guy probably had a huge house on the beach, a fancy car and didn't need to rape the women down there. He was probably spending a lot of money and helping the local economy. But the rapist guy should do the time in US jail if he did the crime. Anyway, I wouldn't think very much will come of this arrest. I bet he just gets a fine.

09-15-2006, 01:09 AM	#8 (permalink)
lindalove Registered User	How will this affect Andrew Luster? Please tell me that he's still in jail and will remain there.

09-15-2006, 05:21 AM	#9 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	Luster is serving somewhere around 128 years in prison. He was convicted in absentia and nothing dog did will change that.

09-16-2006, 06:19 PM	#11 (permalink)
Smooth23 Tilted	I was never impressed by 'dog'. Not sad to see him go, really.

09-21-2006, 06:20 AM	#12 (permalink)
lindalove Registered User	I saw the special. It did give out the info and facts straight-out. I kinda feel bad for Dog and his posse, since they thought it was all behind them, and then out of the blue, it's HI, MARSHALS! It might take them a long time to get this matter resolved, and at the moment, they have an extremely strict curfew. Can't go more than 130 ft. from where the tracker is from 11:00 P.M. to 5:00 A.M. or it will go off and alert their parole officers. I'm kinda wondering how that will affect Dog's job in capturing fugitives, since it seems like they do a lot of night work. He actually reconsidered bounty hunting for a moment or two in jail. He's said that he won't quit, though, so we'll see what happens. What's kinda weird is that the statue of limitations expires for them this year (three years). Makes me wonder why they waited this long to get Dog and the crew. Would they have NOT gone after them if they didn't have a T.V. show? Or do they just not care about them, until they need something?

06-06-2007, 07:31 AM	#14 (permalink)
kate jack Tilted	Looks like the only new thing is that the Utah Attny General is petitioning for a pardon on the extradition proceedings. source: http://www.tvgrapevine.com/index.php....msg31399.html

06-07-2007, 12:57 AM	#15 (permalink)
lt1s10 Crazy	I dunno how I feel about him really. There's too much showboating and posturing for the camera for me to take him seriously. I know he has to be entertaining or they would cancel the show but it's way over the top for me. And it seems kind of conflicting when then pray for God to help them before the bounty. But while they're chasing the fugitive it's "you better call me motherf***", "motherf*** get on the ground now", "you're a pussy, you better keep running cause I'm gonna get you", etc.

06-07-2007, 01:43 PM	#17 (permalink)
Luciian Upright Location: south florida	He did and it is, but you still have to honor the laws of the country or state you are working withing. Otherwise all we have is chaos. __________________ i am ninja "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind dont matter, and those who matter dont mind." -Dr Seuss

06-07-2007, 08:36 PM	#18 (permalink)
jorgelito All important elusive independent swing voter... Location: People's Republic of KKKalifornia	But the irony is, that country doesn't give a flying fuck about our laws.

06-08-2007, 05:05 AM	#19 (permalink)
FoolThemAll Walking is Still Honest Location: Seattle, WA	Plus, it seems likely that this one instance of defying a country's laws brought order and not chaos. Ignoring the laws all the time, sure, that'd bring some chaos. But once in a while, it's possible for the right course of action to include a little lawbreaking. Laws don't always and automatically deserve 100% respect. __________________ I wonder if we're stuck in Rome.

06-08-2007, 06:21 PM	#20 (permalink)
hulk C'mon, just blow it. Location: Perth, Australia	Ah - but where do you draw the line? If you think things are bad now, imagine how much worse they could get with a little vindication for Mexico's behaviour. __________________ "'There's a tendency among the press to attribute the creation of a game to a single person,' says Warren Spector, creator of Thief and Deus Ex." -- From an IGN game review.