ShaniFaye

well the police have it.....I wouldnt say its *safe* from being pirated, I would not be surprised to see it surface somewhere

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RIP. He was a good man

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Amen. Shame on all of you who feel the need to turn this into a post of "who's to blame" and "why he deserved it."

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His show captivated kids who would not otherwise have watched educational shows about animals. I don't believe he was as respectful of the power of animals but he did more good than otherwise. It's sad to hear that his life was cut short so quickly and unexpectedly.
All I could think of when I heard this early this morning was, "His poor children."

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How are the parents on here whose children watch this going to explain his death to your kids?

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analog

No, a responsible person (in a medical profession or otherwise) doesn't make shit up. There are a myriad of other ways to comfort the bereaved without blatantly falsifying things. If I found out a family member was stabbed a bunch of times all over his body but not in any fatal places, and basically bled to death, I would punch a person in the face for patronizing me if they blatantly lied to me and said there was no pain, trying to "comfort" me. A responsible person does not make things up.

Good luck reviving a person who sustains a puncture wound to the heart. The blood pressure would be plummeting and he'd either be developing pulmonary edema and drowning in his own blood, or dependent edema where his blood starts building up in his body instead of circulating- either way, you have a few minutes at best, not an hour.

Bedside manner is about helping people in their time of crisis- this does not include blatant lying.

I didn't mean to make a big deal of it, I was simply pointing out that he had no right to say what he said, and it could do more harm than good.

Paq

unless i read wrong, didn't he say something to the effect of "I don't THINK he felt much pain" which is probably true after the initial shock of being pierced through the abdomen and into the heart. Pretty sure shock sets in quickly and the pain probably took a while. They also said he was barely conscious. Then again, the same report said he died instantly.

I dont' know what to believe, but i've been seriously hurt before and the pain took quite a while to set in when it's something like being stabbed or cutting off a finger, so i really can buy the guy's story of "I don't think he felt much pain"

Again, though, not wanting to argue it, just that i can see how the person could say it.

It really doesn't matter now, though, sadly. I'd rather have heard stories of excrutiating pain and he's in critical condition but is expected to make a full recovery.

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Ch'i

The barb of a stingray is also tipped with poison. If you do some research you'll find that being stabbed by one is extreemly painful. Never the less...

alpha66

ok, i was really shocked at what happened yesterday, and you are right he wasn't all about thrill seeking, the vast majority of the money he earnt was put back in the the environment. he spent millions on large areas of wilderness so that he could preserve it for many future generations, he used his fame to further the cause of conservation.
the guy was indeed selfless, and a "real" person, much more than i can say about basicaly everyone in the entertainment industry.
RIP steve, the world has just become a colder place.

shakran

to all the people saying he was selfish to do this because he has a family, sorry, but bullshit. Statistically animal trainers have a much lower fatality rate than many (probably most) professions. Should cops refrain from having children because they might get hurt? If so, keep in mind that garbage men get killed more frequently than cops do, so they'd better not have kids either. Factory workers are constantly working with large machines and fast moving forklifts. Better not have kids there either. And just driving to work puts you in more statistical danger than being an animal trainer/wrangler, so if you go outside at all you're taking on too much risk to have kids. Pretty soon the only people who can have kids without being selfish will be agoraphobic insurance underwriters and computer programmers who telecommute from home.

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bluelou

My understanding is he was to get some footage for his daughters show, as the weather wasn't letting him film for his show. And for those that say he wasn't well liked in Australia...wrong....they love him!

filtherton

Now how am i going to use the fluke-accident death of a celebrity to make me feel like i'm better than someone else?

Lwang9276

I am actually pretty saddened with his death too, I read that he used his wealth to buy land just to give animals a natural habitat, and I just felt he was one of the few good people who actually did what he sought to do and did it. He in my opinion somehow made the world a somewhat brighter place because of his energy and the way he seemed to get people interested in his beliefs. I hope his family the best and when I read the news last night I could not believe it, and now hearing the way he died.. .. the man after getting pierced in the heart removed the barb from his chest.. all I can say is wow

RIP Steve Irwin

ShaniFaye

I've been following it on the Aussie site, cause the american sites arent SLOW in updating stuff....I read this this morning and it broke my heart


Im heartbroken over this.....just heartbroken

I've been following the aussie news sites because they are updating faster than ours here

This was just posted a little while ago and it breaks my heart

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20361481-2,00.html

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My heart goes out to his family

I've been thinking about this, tho... for me, it would be easier if my husband died in a freak accident like this. That way, I wouldn't feel like there was something I could have done to prevent the accident. I hope his wife is doing well... I'm sure she was always aware that something like this could happen. I do feel sad that he hadn't seen his family in such a long time before the accident.

I also hope that his wife and family see all the stuff on the internet about everyone saying what a great guy he was. YTMND.com is even saying he's greater than Chuck Norris, and anyone who knows internet fads knows that's saying a LOT.

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He took bigger risks than the average 'animal trainer', people have been making jokes for years about him being killed fliming one of his shows, and it just happened to happen.

He may have been an expert on croc's and knew how to handle them well, but from watching his show for many years it was obvious he wasn't really at home as a diver, and I'm not surprised he died diving.

He seemed like a hell of a guy, and I feel as bad as anyone who didn't know him personally would about this.

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Agreed!! I am sad to hear this news, and he will definately be missed.

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John Stainton is going to be on Larry King tonite at 9

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Good article from USA TODAY:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/...it-irwin_x.htm

It covers many of the topics discussed in this thread.


RAYS' TAILS RARELY DEADLY

There are many of species of stingray, at least 35 in the area where adventurer Steve Irwin was killed Monday.

Though the one responsible for his death is not yet known, some experts suspect the bull ray.

Such a species "can grow up to 7 feet across, 100 to 200 pounds, with a tail about 3 to 4 feet long," says Ray Davis of the Georgia Aquarium in Atlanta. "The spine or spines are near the base of the tail in a shallow groove. They can whip that tail, swing it or slash with it to fend off a predator."

Since 1860, 17 people have been killed by stingrays worldwide, says Mike Brittsan, curator at the Columbus Zoo and Aquarium in Ohio. "Most are to the trunk area when a stinger hits a vital organ. Steve Irwin got hit in the wrong place."

-- Cathy Lynn Grossman and Karen Thomas

From staff and wire reports

Steve Irwin's deadly encounter with a stingray was captured on dramatic videotape and shows TV's "Crocodile Hunter" pulling out the animal's poisonous barb that had pierced his heart moments before he died, officials said today.
The beloved naturalist was being videotaped snorkeling above the beast for Ocean's Deadliest, a new TV documentary. Queensland Police Superintendent Michael Keating said the footage showed nothing suspicious about Irwin's death nor evidence that he provoked the animal. Police held the tape as evidence for a coroner's inquiry, a standard procedure in high-profile deaths or those caused by other than natural causes.

News of Irwin's death shocked his native Australia, and fans around the world poured out their grief and condolences.

Parliament interrupted its normal schedule so lawmakers could pay tribute to Irwin, whose body was flown home to Beerwah today from Cairns. State Premier Peter Beattie said Irwin would be afforded a state funeral if his family agreed.

"He was a genuine, one-off, remarkable Australian individual, and I am distressed at his death," Prime Minister John Howard said.

The colorful 44-year-old Irwin, who made a career out of getting dangerously close to deadly beasts, was killed while swimming in shallow water on Australia's Great Barrier Reef.

John Stainton, Irwin's manager who was among the crew on the reef and later also watched the videotape of the attack, described the "terrible" experience of watching a friend die.

"It shows that Steve came over the top of the ray and the tail came up, and spiked him here (in the chest), and he pulled it out and the next minute he's gone," Stainton told reporters in the Queensland state city of Cairns, where Irwin's body had been taken after the accident for an autopsy.

Human deaths caused by stingrays are extremely rare.

Stainton said that Irwin was in his element in the Outback, but that he and Irwin had talked about the sea posing threats the star wasn't used to.

"If ever he was going to go, we always said it was going to be the ocean," Stainton said. "On land he was agile, quick-thinking (and) quick-moving, and the ocean puts another element there that you have no control over."

Immediately after the attack, Irwin was rushed to his nearby research vessel, the Croc One.

A doctor aboard the ship was unable to resuscitate Irwin, who was dead by the time a rescue helicopter arrived. "He died doing what he loved best and left this world in a happy and peaceful state of mind," Stainton said.

Irwin's American wife, Terri, and children returned late Monday from a trekking vacation in Tasmania to Australia Zoo, the wildlife park in Beerwah where the family lived. The couple, who met at Irwin's wildlife park in the Australian state of Queensland, have two children, Bindi Sue, 8, and Bob, 2.

Australia Zoo was open today — staff said it was what he would have wanted — but the mood was somber and most visitors were to a makeshift shrine of bouquets and handwritten condolence messages that emerged at the gate.

"Mate, you made the world a better place," read one poster left at the gate. "Steve, our hero, our legend, our wildlife warrior," read another. Khaki shirts — a trademark of Irwin — were laid out for people to sign.

Sue Neilen, Beerwah's only florist, said she has a "huge pile of orders" for flowers from conservation groups and the general public all over the world.

"Some people are telling us they've never bought flowers before to do this sort of thing, but they feel compelled to do it for Steve," Neilen said. "It's like when Lady Diana died."

Irwin — an adventurer famous for leaping onto untethered crocodiles and for his catchphrase "Crikey!" — rose to prominence when his 1992 Australian TV show was picked up by the Discovery Channel in 1996. He made his big-screen splash with 2002's The Crocodile Hunter: Collision Course. The TV show went into reruns in 2004 but remained one of the network's most popular programs, airing in 130 countries. Discovery announced plans for a marathon screening of Irwin's work and a wildlife fund in his name.

"Steve was beloved by millions of fans and animal lovers around the world and was one of our planet's most passionate conservationists," Billy Campbell, president of Discovery Networks, said in a statement.

The company said it would rename the garden space in front of its world headquarters building in Silver Spring, Md., to honor Irwin. Animal Planet also is planning a marathon of Crocodile Hunter shows, but the day has not been decided.

Irwin's daring encounters and on-camera exuberance not only brought him worldwide celebrity, but they also created a cottage industry of guerrilla-style conservationists whose close calls made wildlife shows a TV staple, particularly among children.

"I never pictured a croc killing him, but I never pictured a stingray doing it, either," says Jack Hanna, director emeritus of the Columbus Zoo and Aquarium in Ohio. "It's like me getting killed by a poodle."

"Steve might have been a showman, but he was a great conservationist," Hanna says. He notes that 14 years ago, before Irwin's international success, there were two nationally televised wildlife shows. Now there are 29.

"We can agree or disagree on how he taught conservationism," Hanna says. "I couldn't do what he did. But he did have a way of teaching. And in the end I remember him as a conservationist, because he really believed in what he did."

Irwin's exuberant style occasionally irked wildlife officials. In 2004, he caused an uproar by holding his infant son in one arm while feeding large crocodiles inside a zoo pen. Irwin said at the time there was no danger to the child, and authorities declined to charge Irwin with violating safety regulations.

Later that year, he was accused of getting too close to penguins, a seal and humpback whales in Antarctica while making a documentary. Irwin denied any wrongdoing, and an Australian government investigation recommended that no action be taken.

"I think (the criticism) was from misunderstanding him and how he grew up around these animals," says Maureen Smith, executive vice president and general manager of Animal Planet. "He was the real deal. He had a love of family and animals that transcended his show. He became a part of pop culture."

Stainton, fighting back tears in a televised news conference, called Irwin "a passionate conservationist and one of the proudest dads on the planet. " He would have said, "Crocs rule!"

Contributing: Scott Bowles from Los Angeles; Karen Thomas, Cathy Lynn Grossman and Douglas Stanglin from McLean, Va.; Lindsey Arkley from Melbourne, Australia; and the Associated Press.

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Point, but consider this: Since 1860 17 people have been killed by stingrays. 18+ people have been killed in spacecraft (Challenger crew, Columbia crew, Apollo 1 crew, and Gagarin. . There are more but I can't think of them ATM). So by the selfish argument, astronauts are selfish and should not have children.

Also, what would be a risk to you or me, was not so much of a risk to Irwin. He knew what he was doing when he grabbed the cobra by the tail - something that would get us killed the first time we did it. In the same way that hanging out the side of a helicopter with a 35 pound camera on my shoulder is much less risky for me, since I know what I'm doing, than it would have been for Irwin, who would not have known what he was doing.

That I can agree with fully, although this was still a freak accident. Rays generally do not pose a threat to people. I'd have always guessed a croc or a snake would've gotten him.

h.n. cheerios

looking at the previous post with all the statistics of it all....it makes me even sadder. almost like it was meant to be.

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streak_56

I'm in utter shock... I loved his shows and they will be truly missed. I heard the Australian gov't is planning a huge public funeral for him if his family wishes to. I could hardly meet a person who said that they didn't like him, seriously... though a little annoying at times... he was good at what he did, and it took a 'freak' accident to bring him down.

analog

I just found out he pulled the barb out of his own heart. Holy shit.

PS- stingray venom causes extreme pain and swelling, it would not "numb" the area as some have guessed while attempting to back up that douchebag manager's claim of Steve feeling no pain.

I feel bad for his family, but at least he went out doing what he loved, and not rotting at home of old age.

ratbastid

Yeah. I was blown away when I heard that. And evidently he was in cardiac arrest within seconds of that.

ShaniFaye

I really think you need to lay off the manager....he's had to do several interviews with not only the police but with the WORLD since this happened. The man is so distraught its not funny....have you bothered to watch any of the interviews where he said he wanted to THINK Steve felt no pain, or are you just going by the first one that came out on right after the accident?

Do you think its POSSIBLE, that you might ever be so distraught that you MIGHT put your words together wrong?

Try pulling one of your best friends who's dead out of the ocean and having to speed on a boat for 30 minutes to get to help and then come tell me you'd be perfect in any speech you gave for the media.

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shani's right.. give the guy a break analog. people make mistakes. besides.. he's had a chance to see the video now, so lets see what becomes of the next few weeks when things settle down.

i hear that his family may refuse a state sponsored funderal because 'he was just an ordinary bloke and wouldnt want one'...

you gotta admire the Irwins.

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I was wondering, would it have been better for him if he hadn't pulled the barb out of his heart? I had always thought that if one was stabbed in the heart with anything, one should leave it in, because it's more damaging to try to remove it and deal with the resulting blood loss ouside of an emergency situation.

What a crazy way to go. People swim with rays all the time, it's like getting kicked to death by a deer or something. Yeah, they're big enough and strong enough to damage/kill a person, but no one ever expects that to happen.

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According to whats been reported on the aussie news site (gave up on CNN, dont know if its there or not) two men (a marine and a venom specialist) say

but an actual Doctor says


whole article is here http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...008780,00.html

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Thanks a ton for the heads up. We were able to watch it last night.

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So, the Irwins officially turned down a state funeral. also, the site www.ripsteve.com opened up wtih a nice forums section for anyone wishing to give gratitude/condolences.

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oh thanks for that link!!! **edit** crap its not working


where did you see they officially turned it down? I dont see anything on the aussie site yet

two cartoons I found

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Shani I don't think that Steve had any time to analyze what was actually happening. He probably felt the jab and instantly reacted by putting his hand there and yanking out the foreign object. It's a natural instinct.

Why anybody would feel the need to assault Steve's manager's integrity with a "douchebag" label is utterly beyond me. That doesn't seem like a natural instinct.

ShaniFaye

oh I know lol I was answering the question Sultana asked

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Also to dlishsguy and eribrav:

If someone close to me had died, I would not be talking to the media. I would be mourning. He chose to speak to the media.

You're telling me I should care about the choice of words of a man whose priorities are 1. media, then 2. grieving?

Anyone with the media, until I was done and I decided it was time to talk, would be invited to fuck off and leave me alone.

People need to grieve, and the press needs to take a back seat to that. Poor Steve was still warm when this guy stepped in front of cameras.

Let me be plain: NO ONE (outside of necessary law enforcement, which wasn't an issue, and the family) has any "right" to your side of the story, your retelling of the events, or any info at all on what happened from your point of view or personally known by you. The press can wait until you're able to say what happened, after mourning. I don't care if that means the whole world goes two days just knowing he died without details.

I'm supposed to care about a guy whose response to the death of a person he calls a friend is to do interviews and press conferences and schedule guest appearances on TV shows? Fuck him. That's not a friend. Friends mourn first. Those are fucked up priorities.

Respect for the dead means letting those people who need to, grieve. We are so hung up on instant news of everything and have some odd thought in our minds that we have a right to get every last detail the very second it happens, that no one even cares that he chose press over grieving. He should have waited. Who's going to argue that?

Cynthetiq

It's easy for any of us to look at it and deconstruct and parse every statement and situation. We all want to be able to pick apart what we think someone else should have done without ever just accepting the fact that sometimes people make mistakes and have to live with the burden.

From the single interview I have seen he apologized for his lack of ability to recall exactly what he said, what words he chose etc. The guy was his manager and his friend he had two responsibilities, one to his friend and one to the media.

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**** edit because this is one of those times I really cant say what I want to say because I refuse to sugar coat my opinion of what has been recently posted

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YOu know, it's a sad thing, but I can't help but find it just a touch funny that after watching him take on just about every deadly criter out there, he get's taken out by a freakin fish. I'm not really what you would call a fan, but I had a lot of respect for the guy. My heart goes out to his friends and family. RIP Steve.

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Steve Irwin was a public figure, as his manager, it's his responsibility to talk w/ the media. That comes w/ the job. I'd imagine if nobody was talking to the press, we'd all be saying that there must be some conspiracy....oh wait we already are, aren't we.