slushi123

Hello All,

Im interested is anyone has outsourced any of there homework/term paper overseas. Ive heard of this service being available and if so please provide URL websites to make contact to find more info on it and how to get started.

I currenly have a 15 page paper I dont have time to do and willing to pay someone to do it for me and will provide the objectives, scope and requirements.

Thanks!

ShaniFaye

I've been out of school for many moons....but isnt that still considered cheating?

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Ample

Is a 15 page paper really worth getting tossed out of school. Some school will run your paper through some type of program that looks for just that.

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Sultana

I have to say it's pretty funny that you don't even want to do the homework to find someone to do your homework for you.

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cyrnel

Isn't this a bit like farm subsidies?

It might be cheaper to buy a diploma outright than to pay a school and then pay someone else to satisfy the resulting workload.

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slushi123

Well the thing is, I work a 40 hour work week. I under stand the topic very well and know how to write papers well, but Time is a issue at this point. Theres only one more session and I got to study for a final exam. Thanks for your understnading.

Ample

Lot of busy people here that went/going through the same situation as you did. Don't thing you are going to get to much sympathy.

It's the weekend, put down the beer and burn the midnight oil.

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highthief

I work a 40 hours week, raise a family, stay fit and play sports, and still find time to go to school and write my papers. Have an exam tomorrow. I know what I signed up for.

Having said that, sure, use a canned term paper that's going to be detected by the software most schools have in palce now to detect such acts. One less grad on the market is one less bit of competition for a job down the road.

Ask for an extension if you are seriously fucked.

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JStrider

if you really know it well you should be able to crank it out real fast...

if you want i'll proof read it for ya, but I wont do it for you


and a lot of the time if you talk to the professors and have a good case they'll give you a couple days extra. A friend of mine even had a professor give him the whole christmas break to do it.

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snowy

Doesn't your school have a honor code you have to stick to?

Ask for an extension; the price you will pay for getting caught is not worth the risk.

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Siege

I'm not so sure I want some random person in some random country writing a paper for me on anything.

But hey, maybe that's just me.

However, truth be told, i've written my share of papers that weren't mine.

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shakran

I would be willing to bet that the majority of us TFPers who went to college got through it without cheating. As such, we're not going to be overly interested in helping someone cheat their way to competing with us in the market place. If you want to work in the real world, now's as good a time as any to start living in it.

Carno

Cheating is lame, and so is helping others cheat.

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Lady Sage

If all the time researching "outsourcing" had been spent typing the paper, I am willing to wager the paper would be finished or darn close by now.

Thats all I have to say about that.

djtestudo

Talk to the professor.

Any decent one will listen and try to help if you have a legitamite issue.

Hell, most were helpful to me when I DIDN'T have "legitamite" issues

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Siege

Yeah, I hear all kinds of ridiculous stories of people getting extensions for "personal" reasons.

I've even heard of a student getting an entire year taken off her transcript citing personal reasons. I'm sure not going to class and not doing work had nothing to do with it.

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la petite moi

Cheater.

Sage

As to your original post, I'm sure google would help you out. I've definitely heard of these services, but I know they cost a lot and haven't known anyone personally who's used them. I would be wary of anyone that I don't know writing a paper for me- you really don't know what you're going to get when you fork over that however many hundred dollars.

As for the rest of you, you're a buch of hypocrites. That's right, I went there. No, cheating is not the most morally upstanding course of action in a situation like slushi's, but it's the course he's chosen to take. So, if he doesn't cheat, he's supposed to lie to his professor and make up "personal reasons" why he can't do the paper? Either be 100% honest to your professor, your school, and yourself, or just forget the whole thing. Yes, going to school while working full time is hard, and puts you in a terrible crunch when finals come up and you have papers due, and right now you're finding that you haven't budgeted your time well at all and are feeling the squeeze. Perhaps next time you'll not make the same mistake- but isn't that what mistakes are for? Learning from?

Talk to your professor, let him know what's going on. The worst he can do is not grant an extension and then you're in the same boat you started in.

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shakran

Glad you went there. Next time you should modify your statement - not ALL of us suggested other ways to lie/cheat/steal one's way out of finishing the paper on time. In fact I don't believe ANY of the responses suggested that he invent personal reasons for an extension.

Your statement would make a lot more sense if there was a shred of truth to it.

Zar

Although I've been sorely tempted to try out some unsavory methods of getting my work done in time for a couple classes, I've really found that talking to the professor to be a much easier, less anxiety-ridden solution. You don't even have to invent personal reasons, at least in my experience. They've been in college, they know the drill. College teaches you time management at least as much as it teaches anything else, and lots of students discover that, at first, they're not very good at it.

In any case, yeah, I'd suggest just talking to the prof. It helps if you've been an active student who already has some sort of relationship with the professor (ie. stopping by their office for help and/or a chat). I know that, for me, I was very daunted by all those black and white deadlines on my various syllabi during crunch time at first. It took me a little bit to find out that those can be more flexible than you'd think at first.

I'm not saying that one should constantly do this, but as a one (or possibly two ) time thing, it's not a big deal. Hopefully you'll learn to manage your time better in the future from this ordeal.

Sultana

I'm confused...no one here has suggested anything but not cheating, and some have suggested talking to the professor, just like you did here.

I'm guessing Sage misread/misunderstood the posts, is all.

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CSflim

"Outsourcing Homework"? I think we've got a contender for euphemism of the year!

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Carno

What? What are you talking about?

Are you trying to berate us because you cheated a shit load in school and we're making you feel ashamed after the fact?

So what if it's the course he's chosen to take? That would be like me showing my exam to the guy next to me, just because cheating is "the course he's chosen to take." Fuck no. I wouldn't let some douchebag cheat off me any more than I would cheat off of someone else.

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CSflim

Nobody is suggesting that he lie to his professor. The thread starter is claiming that he doesn't have time to do the paper due to his heavy workload. Many professors would be willing to take this into account and give an extention.

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Dilbert1234567

Do your own damn work. Just ask your professor for an extension, most are happy to give it. The professor can give you an incomplete in the class and you can finish after the term is over.

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roachboy

"outsourcing a paper"?

1. getting extensions is fairly easy. all it requires is that you take time out from your busy busy schedule to talk to the professor. getting an extension is not an index of anything, really--it is not some Victory over the Man--they are not a big deal in principle (though obviously whether you will get one is a function of the ground rules for the course, for example)
in the end all they do is knock the work you have to do out of the schedule and ultimately it is on you to finish it.

2. "outsourced" papers are pretty easy to catch.
for example, if you have turned in ANY writing in the context of this class, i really would not even consider buying a paper.
because if you are caught, you are wholly fucked.
and lots of academics take catching folk like you as a kind of petty mission.
the way in which you are fucked varies with the honor code at the school you attend--but generally speaking, if you are caught, you face expulsion.

i have caught a few students doing this kind of thing.
for some reason, i had no pity for them.
but i am not particularly obsessed with the matter--i figure that if you dont want to learn, and do not want to do the work, you probably shouldnt be where you are anyway.
but i know many other academics who are REALLY fixated on this,
problem for you is that you cannot tell who is and is not fixated in this way.

anyway, if you are caught, you are well and truly fucked


3. if you are really willing to consider buying a paper from a papermill, the problem may not in fact be poor scheduling or a lack of time on your part--it could well be that you really do not know why you are in university and because you are not there for any particular reason of your own, you still view university like a child views authority.

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Sage

In re-reading the posts, I realize that what I said last night sounded harsh in a way that I didn't mean to. What I meant was, it seems some people were taking the "moral high ground" and bereating the course of action slushi was taking, when there's plenty of people in the world who have found themselves in a bind and chosen to take a more morally unsavory approach to fixing their problems. I didn't mean to offend anyone, just to point out that almost everyone has been in a situation like this at some point in their lives, and not everyone chooses the "right" thing to do.

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Ace_O_Spades

I personally know someone who was expelled from my university for plagarism

It's not worth it... plus writing a good paper is so much more rewarding.

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CSflim

I don't follow your line of reasoning. The fact that sometimes people choose to do immoral things somehow excuses immoral behavior?

Of course everyone is going to accept the fact that sometimes some people choose to do the wrong thing. But given this fact, why should we not discourage others from doing the wrong thing?

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longbough

Slushi123, I hope you knew what kind of responses you might get. Still it's good you didn't start into a defensive debate.

To answer your queston I don't have any references that would help you cheat. I'm just here to add my $.02 to the ethical discussion that seems to have taken over.

I've done the work/school thing, too and have been backed into a corner with deadlines - but I never considered cheating. I agree with the folks who said to talk to the professor because I've seen other students get such leniency in that situation.

A few years ago I was helping to support my fiancee (now ex-fiancee) and her daughter while working and attending school. Lucky for me she was very supportive - so at times of "crisis" (major exams or research papers) we made an arrangement: I would move out of the house for 2 weeks to a motel room (or stay at a friend's guest room) so I can intensively do my work/studies without interruption. The phonecalls were restricted to, either once per day or not at all, and there were no visits (unless there was an Emergency, of course). It took a lot of discipline and was tough as hell for the both of us.

What prompted the 2 week breaks was when I failed 2 major exams which pushed my professional career plans back by a full year. Since she was making the sacrifice for me as well I was inspired to excel in my classes. I'd be really pissed if I ever discovered that a classmate was getting by on outsourced papers instead of making the requisite plans and sacrifices.

If you don't mind my asking - how did "time" become an issue? With all due respect, this sounds like procrastination might be a good part of the equation. If you bit off more than you could chew then consider taking fewer units next time.

I know nothing I said helps you at all with your situation but I had to comment.


And a clarification: It's not a question of "morality" when criticizing cheating. It's a question of "ethics." "Morality" is a subjective, personal determination of right/wrong, good/evil. Cheating doesn't make you a "bad person." It's not "evil" to cheat - it's just "unethical."

rofgilead

slushi,

What program are you in? Business school, possibly?

Gilda

If I find that a student has plaigarized, that student has failed my course, and I report the incident to their academic advisor and the proper dean, depending on their major. Penalties may include expulsion from their major program, academic probation, and possible loss of scholarship or grant money. Outright expulsion from the university is unlikely but the penalties are such that many choose to leave.

If I catch a student cheating after the fact, I don't listen to sob stories.

If, however, a student comes to me with a reasonable explanation for why a paper might be late, I'm generally willing to grant an extension with a lowered grade or, in dire circumstances, give the student an incomplete.

You may think you know the material, but you'll find that the process of organizing, composing, and presenting it in the form of a formal paper will increase the depth of your understanding and will improve your writing ability. Writing the paper is just as important as doing the research that goes into it. Knowledge does you no good if you cannot apply it.

I'd much rather have a hastily written paper that the student did herself than one that was bought from a paper mill.

Gilda

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Infinite_Loser

It's only cheating if you get caught (Yes, I have very little moral fiber).

With that being said, what is the topic of the paper?

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Say, I'm maxed out on my credit cards.

Does someone know of a good city nearby where I can rob a few liquor stores? I already work a 40 hour week. Time is an issue at this point because I've already got a collection agency on me. Thanks for your understanding.
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guthmund

So...a little academic dishonesty is now on par with armed robbery?

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Oops, forgot to add my thoughts to the OP.

I had this whole bit about how 'life gets in the way' (I know...how cliche is that?) and as much as I might abhor it personally, sometimes taking the short-cut is the only way to get yourself down the road, but it didn't really pan out, so, I'll take the more practical approach.

If this instructor is worth his or her salt, they are going to know you're cheating. Depending on the class and how much you've already written for them already will certainly factor in, but, in the end, I don't think it really matters. Comparable to bomb makers, your writing has a signature. Now, it isn't unique like a fingerprint or DNA, but it's usually different enough to stand out when compared with the whole. Not to mention all the anti-plagiarism programs and websites that are available. There's a pretty good chance they will catch you and with the recent crackdown, there's a pretty good chance you'll face some serious trouble. Cheat if you must, but it's an avenue I'd travel only if all other roads were closed.

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warrrreagl

As a college professor, I've enjoyed the hell out of this thread.

BTW, it normally takes me less than 90 seconds to search the internet and discover if a student's paper has been purchased. It's the old "live by the sword" routine.

Unfortunately, I see this type of student more and more. They struggle because they see themselves as VICTIMS and they believe that what happens to them is determined by external forces. They can't sustain any motivation and they feed off of frustration and resent about their own lack of direction. They reject offers of assistance, they live at the mercy of their own strong emotions, they only seem to respond to instant gratification, and they suffer strong doubts about their own competencies.

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Dilbert1234567

i've never heard my proffessors say they enjoyed the hell out of anything

as a proff, do you give extensions, and how often do you?

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warrrreagl

I do not give extensions. All due dates are in the syllabus on the first day of class, and it's up to the students to budget their own time to make the deadlines.

I also do not listen to excuses. I'm not a cop, so I don't care what their stories are. I explain it to them this way - "Once you miss a plane, you don't get a second chance to catch the same plane. You must find an alternative way of getting to your destination. That's what adults should do."

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Gilda

I give extensions as per my class policies, but with a penalty of 10% per day late on the assignment. Conflict with work schedules isn't one of the valid reasons.

Gilda

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The_Jazz

I have no sympathy for someone who cheats, especially in the manner described. If you were my classmate and I knew that you were "outsourcing" papers, I would turn you in myself with absolutely no qualms. It doesn't matter the professor is grading on a curve or not - you're cheating, and that should not be tolerated ever. There is no excuse.

As for your sob story about 40 hours of work, I ran track and cross country competively in college and averaged between 80 and 100 miles a week at some points in my training cycle. That's about 13-16 hours a week just out on the road running without the 5 hours a week in the weight room, 10-15 hours a week in the training room rehabbing my ankle, another 5 hours stretching and doing mobility stuff and 10 hours of speed work. That's 45 hours a week plus the fact that my body was constantly stressed. I graduated with a 3.2 in a reading-intensive major with at least 200 pages of reading and another 15 of writing due every week.

Do your own work or take the incomplete. If you cheat, I hope you don't tell anyone.

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