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Gov't wants to legislate for stupidity again
Now, I'm not saying that a one-foot gap is safe. No, of course not. They should obviously fix that, and it shouldn't take them a huge study to do that. HOWEVER, this is a Darwin Award candidate. Yes, it's a tragedy that she died, and so young. Doesn't mean she's not stupid.
What do you think? Is there liability on the state's part for unsafe conditions? Am I an insensitive jerk? Discuss. Metro Article from AP Quote:
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Handrails and ramps. There, now pay me for the study.
How does it take 6 months to study something like this? Why do we spend so frivelously on things like this, but we can't afford textbooks that are younger than 20 years old? |
Well, god knows I've been clumsier than that, and fortunately have not had nearly as serious consequenses (would make it difficult to post this, heh). I certainly hope that slipping or falling or misstepping doesn't automatically mean one is stupid, or deservng of "withdrawl" from the gene pool.
'Cause then I'd fall into that one, too, I guess. Overall, I concur with willravel's assessment. Now pay the man. :D |
Sad. But I'm thinking rather than her just being a below marginal human, maybe she was having a bad day and was not focused at the moment. I think it does take a lapse of normal consciousness to fall like that, but on the other hand, I recall quite a few times over the years noticing how large that gap between train and platform could be and then being extra cautious, I sort of even recall very slight "vertigo" looking down into that hole as the train was pulling into the station ...and I'm not even a vertigo type of guy, I climb up anything available and will go out on the roofs of any building even thru doors that have to be "persuaded" to cooperate.
Does my spin on it suggest that there is liability for this, I don't know since that's splitting the legal hairs finer than I can do. I'll ask my buddy who works for Metro North what they think. |
All tourists just need to wear bigger shoes. Bigger shoes means they won't slip into holes.
Problem solved. Of course, we know the real solution is to abolish all train travel completely. More private cars! |
If there's a gap large enough for somebody to fall thru, it should be fixed. As far as the state having any liability, probably not, since people should watch where they are walking, especially in unfamiliar places.
When I was in London subways, there were constant reminders over the PA to 'mind the gap'. Maybe that's what's needed here. |
How do you fall through a one-foot-deep gap? That's one skinny person.
How about making all cars unable to go faster than 25mph? That would cut down on accident fatalities. And stairs? Forget about it! They're so jagged and their corners are so harsh! Padding for the lot of them! And no flights higher than 3 steps! |
Gotta say I'm with JustJess on this one. I've been falling down drunk and still managed to navigate the gap on train platforms. What a waste of money.
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I'm not seeing how this is even possible. The gap I can see--I think I could probably fit through a one foot gap. What I don't understand is how she gets hit by a train going the other way. Was there a train going the ohter direction between the train and the platform?
I can also see someone just having a bad day, or walking and talking, or just clumsy falling into a gap that size. I don't think it's necessarily stupidity. Gilda |
I'm thinking along the same lines as Gilda. Anyone can have a bad day and take a mis-step.
A death is a valid reason to investigate train lines and look into streamlining our system. |
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Padding! Do you really think thats enough? All stairs should immediately be removed and replaced with safety ramps! :D |
Accidents are mostly caused by human error and human activity can never be legislated into being idiot proof. This only leads to people who stop thinking for themselves, which in turn causes more accidents.
No regulation can cover every possible eventuality. |
Why is trying to make sure a horrible accident doesn't happen again a bad idea? Nobody is 100% aware of their surroundings 100% of the time. All it takes is a bit of bad luck at one of those times.
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No bull. After 6 months people forget, and the Govt can get back on to doing nada.
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Not being a train rider, I have trouble visualizing this "gap" that is somehow positioned above speeding trains. But, guide rails do sound like they may help. I absolutely agree that a six month study is far stupider than the actual accident was. That's going to be a very expensive rail.
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For all the naysayers, I have a question - at what point does spending the money to find a workable solution become attractive? Is it a question of money? Is there a dollar amount you have in mind? A range?
Personally, I'm all for safer products and safer conditions, and I can point to a lot of things that have been knowingly left unresolved because folks just aren't willing to spend the money at the time. Then the lawsuit hits because someone was legitimately hurt. As far as the OP goes, I don't think that the dead girl was necessarily stupid or a "Darwin Award Winner". It could have been wet and she slipped or she may have been reading while getting on the train. Both have happened to me in Chicago, but our gaps are much narrower. This is the reason that folks that own large parking lots watch for potholes. They are trip hazards and having a dangerous condition on your property where you've invited the public opens you up to litigation. |
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I've ridden Metro North hundreds of times, and as clumsy and careless as I am (I once ran over my own foot while driving a car,) I never had a problem wtih the gap. There are big yellow decals that say "WATCH THE GAP" on the doors, and the edge of each platform is painted bright yellow to draw your attention downward. I've also never seen a gap wider than 6 or 8 inches.
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While I'm most often a fan of Darwin and his work. I'm not sure this is all to his credit. A one foot gap is quite the hop for some I suppose.
And this comprehensive study that is expected to take more than six months... I bet dollars to doughnuts it isn't going to be worth a fart in a whirlwind. |
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Ahhh...much more to the story than was first reported.
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I'd also point out the obvious fact that the legal drinking age in the US is 21, not 18. "This certainly was a tragic and terrible accident and our heartfelt condolences go out to Ms. Smead's family..." Madison (Thomas Madison Jr., board chairman and commissioner of the state Department of Transportation) said. "We can do everything in our power to make sure that a system is safe and reliable, but there is always that variable of personal responsibility that's involved in these circumstances." YES!!! I'm so glad he articulated that point. There is that variable of personal responsibility- very well put. |
Holy shit, at .23% she must have been close to dieing from alcohol poisoning anyways.
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Death usually doesn't result until about .50. Most people pass out at about .30. That's one of natures little ways of protecting dumbasses. Of course, if you are drinking at a rate that is faster than it is absorbed into the bloodstream, then you can easily bypass this nifty little defense mechanism, slip into a coma and die. In reality, at .23, she would've been obviously imebriated. Slurred speech, stumbling, what have you. It's sad, really. Completely, and totally, preventable. And not by the LIRR. |
I once took a woman to the hospital for a psych evaluation, and she was walking, talking, and seemed just a slight bit intoxicated. (alcohol had nothing to do with the reason that I was taking her to the hospital. Threatening to hang herself the minute she was alone did...)
.44 BAC. Hardcore alcoholic... |
I agree they should install rails on any exposed areas of the tracks. I've been on many trains and subways and find them terrifying. While we're at it we should install rails along roadsides. Those cars are close, and they aren't even constrained by tracks!
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Wow. .23 on a kid that skinny... and that dumb...
I am going straight to hell. |
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They want to have the study so more idoits don't fall into the gap and can then reproduce to have more idiots. Then the newborn idiots can grow up and hurt them selves which will lead to further studies. It's all a racket really.
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Most safety things happen because someone dies and they then retrofit a solution to prevent that death the next time.
Ever wonder why airplanes are safe? Lots of deaths, each one of which resulted in a procedure to make that death not happen. Personally, I don't think they should rest until subways are safer than airplanes! Or, at least, the marginal cost of preventing one death is, say, 5 million 2005 dollars. |
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On top of that, she then CRAWLED into the path of an oncoming train. That is not a public safety issue. You cannot safeguard reality from every possible permutation of unknown stupidity, like was shown here. While safety is a good aim to have, this is an asinine application of "precaution". This person's stupidity and drunkenness lead to a series of missteps that cost her life. What I want to know is, who got her underage ass drunk? |
That's besides the point. Trains are already safer than planes. Not much safer, but they are. America's full of litigious bastards it seems.
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Yeah - if her family wants to sue anyone, I'd say it's the idiot who got her/let her get so drunk she was insensible. If it was all her... well... I'd say that's natural selection for modern times. It's a shame she had to die due to being stupid, but that's exactly what happened. No one to blame here, really. Just her.
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1 billion rail passanger-km on rail kills 4.1 people on average. That places Railways at 41 times more dangerous, per passanger-KM, than Airplanes. |
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No. The obvious solution is fatter people. Anyone not fatter than the gap will not be allowed to board the train. |
A one foot gap seems huge... That's fairly rough design isn't it? Even accounting for express trains needing to speed by and needing room in case they're rocking slightly.
I would think that they could improve this slightly. If only for the elderly passengers and young kids. |
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