08-16-2006, 02:35 PM | #1 (permalink) | |
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Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey case
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/16/ra...est/index.html
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If this is true....then I apologize for 10 years of bad mouthing that poor woman I cant wait for the press conference tomorrow
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08-16-2006, 02:58 PM | #3 (permalink) |
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This is really wild stuff. It will sure be interesting to see who this person really is. Even more interesting would be/will be learning how they figured it out after all this time!! And way over there, to boot!!!
I must confess, I did bad mouth the family as well.
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08-16-2006, 03:30 PM | #6 (permalink) | |
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This is an interesting turn of events, and I also feel very bad for the parents if this comes to be true.
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08-16-2006, 10:56 PM | #10 (permalink) |
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I always thought a member of the family was involved. But perhaps the media slanted it that way? I never really feel like I get the whole story about anything. I hope John Ramsey had a good day, today.
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08-17-2006, 12:17 AM | #11 (permalink) |
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I generally didn't think the family were involved.
However, and I'm probably in the minority here, I did bad-mouth the family and will continue to consider them poor parents. I think it's almost perverted the way they used that beautiful little girl as a toy doll. What is WRONG with these people? And by "these people", I mean all those parents who push their kids into unnatural situations like children's (so-called) beauty/talent shows So, never thought they killed her and I felt terrible for them and the hurt they must have experienced. But on the other hand, I had no respect for them as people or parents. Mr Mephisto |
08-17-2006, 12:26 AM | #12 (permalink) |
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It didn't take long to get this accused man on wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mark_Karr And the Smoking Gun. (which shows a picture of him) http://www.thesmokinggun.com/jonbene..._casefile.html Last edited by lindalove; 08-17-2006 at 03:38 AM.. |
08-17-2006, 04:35 AM | #13 (permalink) |
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I saw on the news that he has confessed to killing another child in San Diego I think. That just gives me a suspicion that this guy is full of shit.
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08-17-2006, 04:45 AM | #14 (permalink) | |
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Either way, it will all come out very soon. If he is the murderer, then he will know certain details about the killing that the public does not. Plus, his DNA may well match that found on Jonbenet's underwear. If he is the killer, then I hope they put him away for a very very long time. Mr Mephisto |
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08-17-2006, 04:55 AM | #15 (permalink) |
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Just listened to Michael Baden on the news, and he's not buying it. He believes the guy would confess to ANYTHING to avoid jail time in Thailand on sex charges. He also questions why the ransom note was still left there if she died on him at the scene.
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08-17-2006, 05:41 AM | #16 (permalink) |
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There are so many disparate and hidden details about this case. This new arrest just adds another one. Through the media its turned into a botched treasure hunt. There are so many holes dug in the ground that we may never find what's down there.
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08-17-2006, 09:03 AM | #17 (permalink) | |
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08-17-2006, 09:26 AM | #18 (permalink) | |
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it will be most interest to see what happens.
from one of the articles i have read, it said that he had been in contact with someone in colorado about it. he was "very interested" in the investigateion... hrm... let me see if i can find it... Quote:
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08-17-2006, 09:36 AM | #19 (permalink) | |
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Whatever comes up, or out...I have a feeling will smell to high heaven. This ain't over by a long shot.
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08-17-2006, 09:46 AM | #20 (permalink) |
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I saw him on the tv last night. It's always interesting to me that these guys never look like they are portrayed in the movies, they usually look a lot like me, but instead, look like the most unasuming of next door neighbors. He's just a small, timid, meek looking guy.
Bastards, may they rot in hell! Sorry, but I just hate, (maybe not the right word but you get the idea), anyone who would injure or kill a child. To me that is the epitome of cowardice. I also hope that he, or someone, can be proven beyond doubt to be the killer. I would hate to think he is still out there somewhere.
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08-17-2006, 10:06 AM | #21 (permalink) | |
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08-17-2006, 11:17 AM | #22 (permalink) |
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Slightly off topic for a second... even max security prisoners have a code. child molestors and rapists are not very well liked in prison. if he is the guy, and he does go to jail, he probably won't be alive for to long. unless he gets the death penalty, then he'll be there for 15 more years... but that's a discussion for another board.
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08-17-2006, 11:50 AM | #23 (permalink) |
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This guy seems to me like he's full of shit. I guess the DNA test will be conclusive, but if that doesn't match, I will continue to think her crazy perv of a dad "accidentally" killed her in the midst of some filthy incestuous activity. That family has reeked since the news went public and they did little, if anything, to encourage otherwise.
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08-17-2006, 12:10 PM | #25 (permalink) |
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With all the stuff Matt Drudge has been posting today on his site about what's now coming out about this guy, I'm having a hard time believing that he did it. The ex-wife has already alibied him, and he's not even back in the country yet. Then there's the fact that this professor that apparently tipped off the police about the guy has fallen off the face of the planet. And that the guy apparently has an obsession with little girls being killed (Polly Klass, which he absolutely had nothing to with) and may or may not be writing a book on the subject.
He's a weird looking dude, but it's way to early to throw the book at him.
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08-17-2006, 01:15 PM | #26 (permalink) |
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I don't know...I hope this is the right guy but there are an awful lot of unexplained details.
-The suspect said he picked her up at school? But they were home that night since it was Christmas. How did he have a relationship with a 6 year old? My nephew is 6 and there isn't a time in the day where my sister or another adult is with him. -There weren't any footprints in the snow by the basement window, so how did he get in the front door? (I read the Ramseys gave out over a dozen keys to the house!) -The suspect's ex-wife says he was with her in California that night. -Why did he ask for $118,000 in ransom since that was the amount of John Ramsey's bonus? -The Ramseys moved from GA to CO when JonBenet was a baby, so why is that considered a connection to the family? -The suspect was obsessed with the case. Isn't it possible that he learned some of the details not made public through his research? If this guy did it, I'm thinking he had some connection to the family through some friend or relative of theirs. Otherwise I just don't see how he would have known anything about JonBenet and gained access to the house. |
08-17-2006, 03:03 PM | #27 (permalink) |
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This case just gets stranger and stranger. Like others have pointed out his ex-wife said he was with her in Alabama (I think) over the Christmas when it happened, he said he drugged her but none showed up on her blood screens and he said he had sex with her which also did also doesn't jive with the findings. He said her death was an accident but she was banged on the head and strangled.
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08-17-2006, 04:02 PM | #28 (permalink) |
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Sheesh, there's an awful lot of conspiracy freaks out there.
Some of you really want to believe he's not involved? Well, time will tell. It's not as if the guy just blurted out a confession to avoid time in a Bangkok jail. He was being trailed for months. The FBI were liaising with Thai authorities on him for months. He was "tipped" as a suspect by a journalism professor, after writing to him about the case, for months. And he seems to know things about the case that a normal, regular "I don't want to go to jail" kind of guy would not know. Oh, and he's already a convicted child-sex offender. Time will tell. He is being extradicted and will face trial. And there's always that pesky DNA evidence... But don't let that stop you guys from your conspiracy theories. Maybe he, Bush and Bin Laden cooked up this event after sharing a cup of coffee at the secret under-ground bunker, whilst discussing the missile they dropped on the Pentagon and laughing over the lost NASA tapes of the faked moon landing... :-) Mr Mephisto PS - BTW, of course he's innocent until proved guilty. |
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08-17-2006, 07:51 PM | #30 (permalink) | |
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Child Pornography & Murder? Ramsey Case
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Do you think he did it? Has anyone found some decent news articles that describe the incident he has been accused of in better detail? I don't see how he could have been a part of this, honestly... I look at this article and I think that this child's parents must be seeking some sort of closure after all of these years, and they're blaming it on some guy with a shady past who has a history of getting too close to children. But... the article says that this man claims he did do it. Was he somehow coerced into speaking up? I don't get it. Yes, child porn is horrible. Yes, it's pretty nasty that this fella has been working closely with children all of these years and hasn't gotten some sort of help. I think it's horrible that his wife didn't realize until their kids were about the age where his influence could be harmful to their development. It's a disturbing article, mainly because sounds like this guy is boarderline insane - not guilty. I'd be interested in hearing some differing perspectives on this one.
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08-17-2006, 08:40 PM | #32 (permalink) |
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How did I miss this? Thanks!!
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14399340/ It sounds like he was obsessed with the case, and perhaps is just disturbed enough to confess, or even to believe he really did it. We'll see when the DNA comes back.
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08-18-2006, 05:20 AM | #34 (permalink) | |
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I don't think that there's a conspiracy here, just potentially a false confession by someone looking for attention. He may have done it, along with the murder in Alabama that's now being discussed, but he may not have. There's nothing in his criminal record to indicate a violent history, and he even seems to have gone so far as to marry some of his victims.
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08-18-2006, 05:43 AM | #35 (permalink) |
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Ugh, what a mess. I was hoping this arrest would help simplify things and clear away the murky doubts and suspicions in the case. No death deserves such a circus.
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08-18-2006, 07:20 AM | #36 (permalink) | |
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08-18-2006, 07:28 AM | #37 (permalink) |
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Based on what I've read I think it's a little suspicious. I'm not usually one for conspiracies, and in this case I don't particularly believe this guy had anything to do with the murder. Wasn't there, says he drugged her when she wasn't drugged... It doesn't seem to add up to me. I guess there could be more to the crime then we know, though.
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08-18-2006, 07:52 AM | #38 (permalink) |
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you know... i'm beginning to think the same thing.
the biggest thing to me is why on earth would his exwife give him an alibi? that just makes no sense at all. it seems that they divorced after his child porn convition in california, so why come to his defense now? the whole thing is just a bit fishy.
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08-18-2006, 08:53 AM | #39 (permalink) | |
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So...let's just speculate for a moment. Let's say, for the sake of argument (and my amusement), that the DNA doesn't match...what then? Does this cast an even larger, and darker, cloud of suspicion over the Ramsey's? Human nature tells me that it does. What a clown show.
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08-18-2006, 08:59 AM | #40 (permalink) | |
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this is the beginning of the current writing on cnn about this
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I've read the autopsy report that was made public in 1997. (found here if you're interested in reading it http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jonbenet1.html ) I read every word of that report...arent those supposed to be official reports? Can they leave something out? I mean this thing is detailed from what was on her underwear to where her hyman was located.... and anyone could have read it in the last 9 years.... and known details....could there really be things left out of it and it be an official report?
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