Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey case
 

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/16/ra...est/index.html



If this is true....then I apologize for 10 years of bad mouthing that poor woman

I cant wait for the press conference tomorrow

If thats true, I think alot of people need to apologize for more than just bad mouthing that poor family.

This is really wild stuff. It will sure be interesting to see who this person really is. Even more interesting would be/will be learning how they figured it out after all this time!! And way over there, to boot!!!

I must confess, I did bad mouth the family as well.

I always felt the parents were involved. For that, I also owe an apology for presuming guilt rather than innocence.

It will be interesting to learn how they finally narrowed this down after ten years.

So did most people at the time feel that the parents did the killing? I wasn't in the US back then so I've never heard of this case before..

It has generally been thought the parents were responsible. There have been countless jokes/parodies/etc on the whole scenario.

This is an interesting turn of events, and I also feel very bad for the parents if this comes to be true.

I NEVER thought the parents were guilty. They were enjoying dressing her up too much.

Nice to see that Patsy was aware an arrest was imminent.

Wow, I am floored!

I'm definitely surprised! It's nice to know that even after 10 years, they were still on the case.

I always thought a member of the family was involved. But perhaps the media slanted it that way? I never really feel like I get the whole story about anything. I hope John Ramsey had a good day, today.

I generally didn't think the family were involved.

However, and I'm probably in the minority here, I did bad-mouth the family and will continue to consider them poor parents. I think it's almost perverted the way they used that beautiful little girl as a toy doll.

What is WRONG with these people? And by "these people", I mean all those parents who push their kids into unnatural situations like children's (so-called) beauty/talent shows

So, never thought they killed her and I felt terrible for them and the hurt they must have experienced. But on the other hand, I had no respect for them as people or parents.


Mr Mephisto

It didn't take long to get this accused man on wikipedia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mark_Karr

And the Smoking Gun. (which shows a picture of him)

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/jonbene..._casefile.html

I saw on the news that he has confessed to killing another child in San Diego I think. That just gives me a suspicion that this guy is full of shit.

He's a registered sex offender, apparently.

Either way, it will all come out very soon. If he is the murderer, then he will know certain details about the killing that the public does not. Plus, his DNA may well match that found on Jonbenet's underwear.

If he is the killer, then I hope they put him away for a very very long time.

Mr Mephisto

Just listened to Michael Baden on the news, and he's not buying it. He believes the guy would confess to ANYTHING to avoid jail time in Thailand on sex charges. He also questions why the ransom note was still left there if she died on him at the scene.

There are so many disparate and hidden details about this case. This new arrest just adds another one. Through the media its turned into a botched treasure hunt. There are so many holes dug in the ground that we may never find what's down there.

parents or the brother... there was a lot of suspicious behavior going on -- plus they weren't willing any awards as good parents for parading their child around on stage in beauty contests... she was 6 going on 22.

it will be most interest to see what happens.

from one of the articles i have read, it said that he had been in contact with someone in colorado about it. he was "very interested" in the investigateion... hrm... let me see if i can find it...

dunno... sounds funny to me. can anyone say "child porn ring"?

Maybe. But, I'm not ready to go there yet. It's just to big of a jump. Let's wait and see what direction the stepping stones, that will inevitably surface, take us.

Whatever comes up, or out...I have a feeling will smell to high heaven. This ain't over by a long shot.

I saw him on the tv last night. It's always interesting to me that these guys never look like they are portrayed in the movies, they usually look a lot like me, but instead, look like the most unasuming of next door neighbors. He's just a small, timid, meek looking guy.

Bastards, may they rot in hell! Sorry, but I just hate, (maybe not the right word but you get the idea), anyone who would injure or kill a child. To me that is the epitome of cowardice.

I also hope that he, or someone, can be proven beyond doubt to be the killer. I would hate to think he is still out there somewhere.

I'm paraphrasing Dennis Miller here, but no matter what kind of arguments you make for or against capital punishment, these are people who do not deserve to be rehabilitated. If you hurt, molest, or kill a child, then you need to die. You just need to lean in and take one for the team.

Slightly off topic for a second... even max security prisoners have a code. child molestors and rapists are not very well liked in prison. if he is the guy, and he does go to jail, he probably won't be alive for to long. unless he gets the death penalty, then he'll be there for 15 more years... but that's a discussion for another board.

-back on topic-

This guy seems to me like he's full of shit. I guess the DNA test will be conclusive, but if that doesn't match, I will continue to think her crazy perv of a dad "accidentally" killed her in the midst of some filthy incestuous activity. That family has reeked since the news went public and they did little, if anything, to encourage otherwise.

I think it's sick that the public convicted the parents without having them ever spend a day in court. We have courts for a reason. Hopefully, this guy did it and will be convicted. If so, the world owes the family a huge apology.

With all the stuff Matt Drudge has been posting today on his site about what's now coming out about this guy, I'm having a hard time believing that he did it. The ex-wife has already alibied him, and he's not even back in the country yet. Then there's the fact that this professor that apparently tipped off the police about the guy has fallen off the face of the planet. And that the guy apparently has an obsession with little girls being killed (Polly Klass, which he absolutely had nothing to with) and may or may not be writing a book on the subject.

He's a weird looking dude, but it's way to early to throw the book at him.

I don't know...I hope this is the right guy but there are an awful lot of unexplained details.

-The suspect said he picked her up at school? But they were home that night since it was Christmas. How did he have a relationship with a 6 year old? My nephew is 6 and there isn't a time in the day where my sister or another adult is with him.

-There weren't any footprints in the snow by the basement window, so how did he get in the front door? (I read the Ramseys gave out over a dozen keys to the house!)

-The suspect's ex-wife says he was with her in California that night.

-Why did he ask for $118,000 in ransom since that was the amount of John Ramsey's bonus?

-The Ramseys moved from GA to CO when JonBenet was a baby, so why is that considered a connection to the family?

-The suspect was obsessed with the case. Isn't it possible that he learned some of the details not made public through his research?


If this guy did it, I'm thinking he had some connection to the family through some friend or relative of theirs. Otherwise I just don't see how he would have known anything about JonBenet and gained access to the house.

This case just gets stranger and stranger. Like others have pointed out his ex-wife said he was with her in Alabama (I think) over the Christmas when it happened, he said he drugged her but none showed up on her blood screens and he said he had sex with her which also did also doesn't jive with the findings. He said her death was an accident but she was banged on the head and strangled.

I would like to give the prosecutor the benefit of the doubt assuming that she has compelling evidence. I guess a confession is hard to ignore. With what is going on in the Duke case I think we should take what prosecutors say with a grain of salt.

Sheesh, there's an awful lot of conspiracy freaks out there.

Some of you really want to believe he's not involved? Well, time will tell.

It's not as if the guy just blurted out a confession to avoid time in a Bangkok jail. He was being trailed for months. The FBI were liaising with Thai authorities on him for months. He was "tipped" as a suspect by a journalism professor, after writing to him about the case, for months. And he seems to know things about the case that a normal, regular "I don't want to go to jail" kind of guy would not know. Oh, and he's already a convicted child-sex offender.

Time will tell.

He is being extradicted and will face trial. And there's always that pesky DNA evidence...

But don't let that stop you guys from your conspiracy theories. Maybe he, Bush and Bin Laden cooked up this event after sharing a cup of coffee at the secret under-ground bunker, whilst discussing the missile they dropped on the Pentagon and laughing over the lost NASA tapes of the faked moon landing...

:-)


Mr Mephisto

PS - BTW, of course he's innocent until proved guilty.

They haven't charged him with anything yet. He also apparently said he drove JonBenet home from school the day she was murdered. I think most schools are closed on Christmas. I don't have a conspiracy theory just questioning what I read and see on the news. This case has been very strange from the beginning.

Child Pornography & Murder? Ramsey Case
 

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/17/ra....ap/index.html
This arrest is all over the news out here in the San Francisco area. Is it getting as much media attention elsewhere?

Do you think he did it?

Has anyone found some decent news articles that describe the incident he has been accused of in better detail?


I don't see how he could have been a part of this, honestly... I look at this article and I think that this child's parents must be seeking some sort of closure after all of these years, and they're blaming it on some guy with a shady past who has a history of getting too close to children. But... the article says that this man claims he did do it. Was he somehow coerced into speaking up? I don't get it. Yes, child porn is horrible. Yes, it's pretty nasty that this fella has been working closely with children all of these years and hasn't gotten some sort of help. I think it's horrible that his wife didn't realize until their kids were about the age where his influence could be harmful to their development.

It's a disturbing article, mainly because sounds like this guy is boarderline insane - not guilty. I'd be interested in hearing some differing perspectives on this one.

hmm. i'll wait and see if he's full of shit or if the DNA matches up.

How did I miss this? Thanks!!

OK, now it's not just random conspiracy theorists:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14399340/

It sounds like he was obsessed with the case, and perhaps is just disturbed enough to confess, or even to believe he really did it.

We'll see when the DNA comes back.

Umm, what DNA evidence? No one's announced anything of the sort that I've seen.

I don't think that there's a conspiracy here, just potentially a false confession by someone looking for attention. He may have done it, along with the murder in Alabama that's now being discussed, but he may not have. There's nothing in his criminal record to indicate a violent history, and he even seems to have gone so far as to marry some of his victims.

Ugh, what a mess. I was hoping this arrest would help simplify things and clear away the murky doubts and suspicions in the case. No death deserves such a circus.

They recovered male DNA from the kid's underwear a couple of years ago - they compared the DNA to a national registry of sex offenders from whom DNA had been obtained previously and apparently there was no match.

Based on what I've read I think it's a little suspicious. I'm not usually one for conspiracies, and in this case I don't particularly believe this guy had anything to do with the murder. Wasn't there, says he drugged her when she wasn't drugged... It doesn't seem to add up to me. I guess there could be more to the crime then we know, though.

you know... i'm beginning to think the same thing.

the biggest thing to me is why on earth would his exwife give him an alibi? that just makes no sense at all. it seems that they divorced after his child porn convition in california, so why come to his defense now? the whole thing is just a bit fishy.

Well..it seems that the "If this is true" part of that statement, and those made by several others, is key.

So...let's just speculate for a moment.
Let's say, for the sake of argument (and my amusement), that the DNA doesn't match...what then? Does this cast an even larger, and darker, cloud of suspicion over the Ramsey's? Human nature tells me that it does.

What a clown show. :rolleyes:

this is the beginning of the current writing on cnn about this

now can someone please help me out here

I've read the autopsy report that was made public in 1997. (found here if you're interested in reading it http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jonbenet1.html )

I read every word of that report...arent those supposed to be official reports? Can they leave something out? I mean this thing is detailed from what was on her underwear to where her hyman was located.... and anyone could have read it in the last 9 years.... and known details....could there really be things left out of it and it be an official report?

About a million things are not said in that report - everything from position of the body to the implement used to strangle her to what she was wearing. I don't recall excatly what has and has not made it into the media, but the police will keep many such details private until such time as someone is brought to trial. The autopsy report deals strictly with the gross cause of death.

okay... correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't the murder take place in the basement? if that is the case, then the body had been moved by the time the medical examiner got there. as stated in the autopsy report, the body was on the floor in the living room when the examiner arrived. perhaps, the conditions that had been kept secret are relating to this. dunno... *shrugs*

are you meaning the position of her body in the basement? (I would assume so because by the time the medical examiner got there the father had carried her upstairs and the report DOES state that position)

and it does state about the rope that was still wrapped around her neck

and it also states exactly what she was wearing, including her jewelry so Im a tad confused about what you mean?

what she was wearing

how she was strangled

that report is 9 pages long and ranges from exactly how she was at the house (in the living room) to the weights and measures of organs to every bruise and scratch on her body as well as "fluids" and blood found on her

what could it be missing?

see... the whole living room thing is suspect. if she was killed in the basement, but moved to the living room before the medical examiner got there, then there would be evidence that the cops would know that never made it into the report.

sure the postion of the body was described as the examiner found her, but perhaps when they found her in the basement she was sitting up flipping them off. you never know.

regardless, it shall be very interesting to see how this whole thing develops.

but my question still stand in regards to the part of the article I quoted...it says

graphic details about the condition of JonBenet Ramsey's body

I guess I was hoping somebody could look at that autopsy report and tell me whats missing

i don't think you missed anything from the autopsy report. i haven't read the whole 9 pages, but those things are extreamly detailed.

what i'm trying to say and no disrespect is intended here, but the autopsy report doesn't paint the whole scene as far as the entire crime. i'm sure they have left out parts from the story. they do it all the time.

but yes, it does seem a bit contradictory.

All I saw on the page you linked to was the cause of death and other marks and signs found on her body as written by the coroner or pathologist. I see there are subsequent pages available, now, but I guess that's why providing direct quotes, as you did subsequently, rather than just links works better in conversation.

At any rate, even in such extensive reports, details will be kept back until suspects are brought to trial, details that only the killer should really know. What exactly was kept back? Who knows? Maybe he left a Death's Head moth in her throat ...

if you go to the bottom of that page you could click to see the 8 other pages, the links are on the bottom left hand side of the page numbered 1-9 or you can click the "next" next to his signature on the right hand side to from page to page

**sorry I *assumed* since I said it was 9 pages that you'd notice the links to the next ones

There is lots of evidence besides the body that might have not been released.

The ones that I can think of are:

Items near the body
DNA profile of the rapist
Items found throughout the house
Blood or bodily fluids found elsewhere
Possible murder weapons

That's 15 seconds of thought for me. I'm sure that there are others. An autopsy is not and never was intended to be a comprehensive murder file.

It looks like the guy is turning out to be an innocent nut job that turned himself in. His story isn't matching up with the details of the case.

-He claims he picked her up from school, through it was Xmas break. SHe wasn't in school.
-He claims he drugged her, though the autopsy states she hadn't been drugged.
-His ex-wife claims he was with her when in happened

Being a teacher, I don't see how he could have goofed up on the Xmas break part. Maybe he needed to get out of Thailand in a hurry?

Perhaps you're assuming intentional omissions. They noted something, but didn't deem it applicable to the investigation or simply didn't think of it?

I'm entirely unconvinced he did it at this point. I had an otherwise sane friend create a story of how she was raped in the parking lot outside of our school, and somehow managed to believe it so strongly that it became true. After almost 6 months of police investigations and other things, she "realized" that she hadn't been raped after-all.

When the DNA matches, maybe.. just MAYBE.. then.

Can I ask why anyone cares about JonBenet Ramsey? Perhaps I simply don't like the media circus that's setting up in town (again), but even when I didn't live in/near Boulder, Colorado, I thought all the attention on this case was a little absurd given that lots of strange murders happen every day all over the world...

its very sad that some one has to ask why we care about the senseless murder of a little girl

What about all the other little girls that get murdered all the time? Does anyone pay attention to them? Of course not. Let's be honest here: this girl was unfortunate, but if all the others don't deserve attention neither does she.

actually....yes I do....but on another board thats specifically for true crime. Somehow I think I'd get in trouble if I started making true crime threads about all the cases that interest me.

I think it's noble that you have an interest in such cases. But guess what? Unless you're directly involved in the case, your opinions/discussions about the information regarding the case that has been released, "fact-finding", etc. are completely useless for the purpose of actually solving the cases. I'm sure there are a few cases where somebody completely unrelated to the case found some crucial evidence etc. but they are few and far in between.

Now then, if we were to discuss something we might actually have an impact on, such as how to prevent murders, I'd be all ears.

Including an episode of family guy where Peter vows to the Ramsey's that he will find and avenge the childs death. The Ramsey's reply with a shakey "no Peter, that's quite fine...:eek:"

Never was invested in the case that much but it is really refreshing to see justice at it's best. It must be something that makes even the biggest police pecismests nod in approval.

EDIT: Oberon? If anything is pointless about this discussion it is arguing wether or not it is news worthy. Like it or not this was a huge case, for whatever reason, and continues to be. And Shani's intrest doesn't need to be motivated by bring others to justice, but simply by being stimulated by the cases and the way they drawout. There are hundreds of topics discussed in the forum that are simply just to hear others opinions; not to literally further anyone in anyway other then to talk about their hobbies and intrests.

You could always begin a thread on the prevention of crime. If you don't want to post, then wait until a discussion that intrests you comes up. Until that day, don't rain on other's parades. Dig?

Okay then. I guess this particular thread tickled something in me and I had to ask... carry on.

Considering that it's a 10 year old case, and everyone involved is dead now, I don't understand the big deal anymore. It's just another case for the media to beef up out of nothing.

They don't make a big deal about this happening to other people (IE the chick from IU that disappeared on her bike). It's because of the pagent crap involved and the fact that her parents were filthy rich.

From what I've seen on TV, she wasn't happy about giving him an alibi. No matter what she has against the guy, she still has to look herself in the face in the mirror every day. Riding the karma train is better than being ran over by it.

As I understand it the only law this guy has broken is to have 5 images on his computer that were determined to be illegal. These were supposedly mixed in with all the child murder case information he was investigating. If he was in Alabama when JonBenet was murdered why shouldn't his ex-wife say so?

If the DNA doesn't match then I guess the prosecutor will probably have to have some proof he was in Boulder in spite of what his ex-wife says. From what I have read the reporters digging into this case have not been able to find evidence that he was ever in Colorado. Of course we don't know what the prosecutor has on him so maybe she can prove otherwise.

This guy is certainly troubled. It was reported on the news tonight that he was seeing a sex change doctor in Thailand.

Well it looks like the DNA didn't match.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/0....x7comug8.html

Shocker.

As an aside, a cop friend of mine told me this weekend that he and his buddies on the job all think that this guy is just looking for his 15 minutes of fame. Not that he's really in the know or anything, but it's worth something.

i think that either 1 of 3 things happened:

1.) he wants his 15 minutes of fame. i would tend to agree with this, but just by looking at the guy, he is 1000x more disturbed than your normal "i want some fame" person.

the other two ideas go hand and hand. this guy spent SO MUCH TIME reading about this case that he was almost obsessed. i believe that he either:

2.) convinced himself that he must have killed her. psychologically, it takes a fucked up mind to feed yourself with the idea of doing something so horrible.

3.) wanted to much to be the perverted lowlife who did this, that he had to confess to doing the crime even though he knew that he didnt.

either way....just by looking into his eyes you can see how fucked up the guy is. it takes a fucked up person to commit such a disgusting crime, but it takes mind that is just as fucked up (or even more so), to have wanted so much to be the man commited this crime.

He could have seen the writing on the wall as far as the child porn goes and decided to show himself as a total whackjob to get put in a hospital instead of a PITA prison.

Just a side note here...why would he want to confess to this, knowing that he would be proven innocent? Think of this, his is about to be brought up on child porn charges in Californina I believe. So if you have grandstanded yourself as a mentally disturbed person who claims to have comitted the crime of the century; what would be your defense on the child porn charges?...How about TEMPORARY INSANITY...which would get him commited to a mental institute, instead of general population risk in prison. I.E. He wouldn't have to worry about being ass-raped and then killed in prison. Personally I think he is brilliant in his idea, if not just a little sick.

I bet if he doesnt say another word to the press he could get a million dollar book deal of it.

Sex offenders are kept separate 100% of the time from the general prison population, right or wrong....Nobody will lay a hand on him

So does this mean all the people that hated the parents, and then felt bad for thinking bad things about said parents in light of the 'confession' will now go back to thinking bad things about the parents?

I'm not sure how much the child porn insanity theory holds water. He was not going to be charged with the child porn crime until after this happened. From what i've heard (unconfirmed) the pictures he had wern't exactly your typical child porn and the case probably would have been thrown out. I heard that the pictures were pictures from some of the child crime cases that he was interested in and the pictures were mostly a technicality because he could have claimed he was doing research for a book. Also what is the punishment for a first time offence of child porn?

I hope not, for a long time I've thought that it's really fucked up that people always blamed the parents. If the evidence was there, they would have charged them. It doesn't mean that there is no way they actually did it, just that they don't have enough to even charge them on it.

Free trip home...

The amount of money that was spent bringing this guy home is ridiculous... he didn't have to leave taiwan to do the dna test...

Yeah, I'm sure he did that so that he could get a free trip home.

Actually, he did. He wasn't arrested until he got to Los Angeles, which is why he was able to drink alcohol and eat well on the plane. The officers sent to get him had no power to arrest him in Thailand since their police powers don't extend outside the borders of the US. They asked him to submit to a DNA test there, and he refused. They had no way to force him to do it, so they had to wait until he got back in the country to get a court order. The Thai's deported him for falsifying his passport documentation.

He is charged in California with a misdemenor. No big deal.

Did anyone see this article from PEOPLE magazine?? He is distrubed and SHOULD NOT be allowed out and around children...

People magazine:

http://people.aol.com/people/article...449009,00.html

excerpts from John Mark Karr's e-mails and phone calls to University of Colorado, Boulder journalism professor Michael Tracey were posted Monday on the Boulder County District Attorney's Web site after the case against Karr in the 1996 slaying of JonBenet Ramsey was dropped.

The e-mails to Tracey, who has produced several documentaries about the Ramsey case supporting the theory that the 6-year-old was killed by an intruder, come from Karr's arrest affidavit. Karr was released Monday and promptly rearrested for 2001 child pornography charges.

At various points in the e-mails, Karr uses the alias "Daxis." Some excerpts:

April 2, 2006
Karr talks about his fascination with young girls: "The end of 9 years old is usually the stopping point for me due to the physical height and development of the child. In some parts of the world however I have been highly attracted to girls who were 12 though they were the size of the girls who were 8 in the U.S. I cannot say I was actually attracted to the 12-year-olds but it was a little more tempting. I am attracted to dolls. When they get past the doll stage I am no longer physically attracted."

April 19, 2006
He claims he accidentally strangled JonBenet during sex and then hit her on the head with a flashlight in case she was still suffering: "This was when the tragedy began. Seconds easily turned into minutes in the heat of passion. The deliverer, deriving unreal pleasure both emotionally and sexually, can lose track of that critical time especially with a little girl who is small and more fragile, it is easier to lose her. JonBenet was lost, or so it was believed. ... But the trauma to her head haunts me – so horrible."

May 9, 2006
"(JonBenet's parents) need to know that she had a lover named Daxis, that a dashing prince was with her when she died; that she was not viciously murdered; that I cared for her and tried to revive her when I though she was dead. I loved her so much and I am so sorry that she died in my arms. But it is important that they know WHO she was with and how she died. For instance, she did not suffer."

Sound clips of phone calls between Karr and Tracey were also released. In a July 29, 2006, phone call Tracey placed to Karr, who claimed to be speaking from his Jaguar in the driveway of the Ramsey home in Atlanta, Karr said he wanted Johnny Depp to play him in a movie and that it would make a billion dollars.

He also said of JonBenet, "I loved her so much and I am so sorry that she died in my arms." He claimed that when she died he said, " 'Oh, babydoll, please come back to me.' " Karr also told Tracey, "If it is ever revealed that JonBenet died by my hand, I would be one of the most wanted killers in history."

It will be remarkable if this guy goes from a life of relative poverty to one of wealth because of the last few weeks publicity. I wonder how many people will be waiting in line to get their copy of his new book with the infamous signature John Mark Karr?

Murderabilia is a booming business. People buy hair and toenail clippings of mass murderers. :confused:

How about just not allowed out...period?
If ever a man needed to be thrown in jail, just on general principle, and forgotten about...then we have, I believe, a candidate.
"The end of 9 years old is usually the stopping point for me..."
"I am attracted to dolls."
"(JonBenet's parents) need to know that she had a lover named Daxis."
"a dashing prince"

What...a...freak!

sooooo....what do you think about the news out today? that the entire Ramsey family has been cleared and the DNA on Jon Benet was a completely unknown male?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/09/...dna/index.html

link to the letter

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/09/...l#cnnSTCOther1

Very sad. Too bad her mom never got to know this before she died. I always thought the family was innocent.

How sad that they'll never know. Aren't the parent divorced as a result of the stress and accusations?

jewels, patsy died 2 years ago of ovarian cancer

Hi SF! I remember that, but did they have problem prior? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Hey :) they were still married when she died, to my knowledge they had no problems (between themselves)

So I guess that's why it made headlines today: the media was trying to make up for all of the suspicions and negative publicity cast on the family. Perhaps they were trying to make amends?

It's pretty sad, too. I took a look at the headline and literally thought, "that case is still going on??"

I saw him on the news last night. How awful an ordeal it must have been for them. :no:

BTW, John Mark Carr is now engaged to a 23 year old, the first time he's ever pledged to marry someone of legal age.

I wonder what she sees in him?

Jewels, I dont know how "in your face" it was elsewhere (besides Colorado) but since they lived here (and JB was buried here) everything that family did was on the news here, I wont say that I never thought they did it, I think a lot of people were doubtful but with the Susan Smith case, it proved anything is possible, but that poor family had more than their fair share of shit to put up with.

I heard Mr. Ramsey on some show last night. He sounded like "well, i'm just glad there's progress and I'm hopeful a suspect, the responsible person, can now be found." He didn't sound bitter at all, least not to me. I got to tell you I think I'd be one bitter old man by this point. I think I be on the news saying "I fucking told you so, all you fucking reporters and most of the LE folks had us convicted in the court of public opinion years ago. Well, fuck you. My wife went to her grave with many folks thinking she killed a person she loved dearly."

I have to admit I thought they probably were good for it. I remember talking to other officers about this at the time and the main consensus seemed to be "yeah, they did it but the crime scene guys screwed it up so bad they'll never get a conviction."

I think of all the news reports I saw only one made it sound like "you know there's a real possibility some unknown person did enter the house and kill the child." All the rest seemed to say "seriously, what are the odds?" Of course I'm no expert on the case and didn't really follow it that closely, there may have been a ton of reports that made it sound like they might not have done it.

If I remember correctly, she has a 3 year old daughter. I would assume that is what he sees in her.... ugh!

Bingo!

Wish I didn't think you were dead on here. I don't understand these people that get involved with known fuck wads. I think I read somewhere that Richard Ramirez, the serial killer, was married in prison.

I don't get it.

Uh-huh.

And, that's a good thing.

The whole case is just sad.

I remember seeing a documentary about the Carr guy maybe a year or more ago and that he confessed to some journalist?

I know every famous crime gets a lot of fake confessions... but if there if it is known that this guy IS the killer, and its one of those cases when they know but they just dont have the proof to bring it to court... is there any real reason not to simply shoot him in the street like a dog?

I mean, I understand police state and pretty dangerous precedents and all... but if a guy who raped and killed a 6 year old kid is killed, who actually is going to care or seek "justice"?

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Like when the police found that girl who got kidnapped (Elizabeth something?) for over a year and was constantly abused and raped... if I was one of the people who came to the scene with the guy who did that shit to her I'd have shot him dead where he stood. Who is ever gonna prosecute you for it? And why should that girl always live with the nightmare that he might get out one day and might come back for her? If it is that big of a deal you could just put him in the back of a car, drive him back to the jailhouse and throttle him, then say "oops he hanged himself" I suppose.