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highthief · 08-18-2006, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

this is the beginning of the current writing on cnn about this

now can someone please help me out here

I've read the autopsy report that was made public in 1997. (found here if you're interested in reading it http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jonbenet1.html )

I read every word of that report...arent those supposed to be official reports? Can they leave something out? I mean this thing is detailed from what was on her underwear to where her hyman was located.... and anyone could have read it in the last 9 years.... and known details....could there really be things left out of it and it be an official report?

About a million things are not said in that report - everything from position of the body to the implement used to strangle her to what she was wearing. I don't recall excatly what has and has not made it into the media, but the police will keep many such details private until such time as someone is brought to trial. The autopsy report deals strictly with the gross cause of death.

Dane Bramage · 08-18-2006, 09:20 AM

okay... correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't the murder take place in the basement? if that is the case, then the body had been moved by the time the medical examiner got there. as stated in the autopsy report, the body was on the floor in the living room when the examiner arrived. perhaps, the conditions that had been kept secret are relating to this. dunno... *shrugs*

ShaniFaye · 08-18-2006, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by highthief

About a million things are not said in that report - everything from position of the body to the implement used to strangle her to what she was wearing. I don't recall excatly what has and has not made it into the media, but the police will keep many such details private until such time as someone is brought to trial. The autopsy report deals strictly with the gross cause of death.

are you meaning the position of her body in the basement? (I would assume so because by the time the medical examiner got there the father had carried her upstairs and the report DOES state that position)

and it does state about the rope that was still wrapped around her neck

and it also states exactly what she was wearing, including her jewelry so Im a tad confused about what you mean?

what she was wearing

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The decedent is clothed in a long sleeved white knit collarless shirt, the mid anterior chest area of which contains an embroidered silver star decorated with silver sequins. Tied loosely around the right wrist, overlying the sleeve of the shirt is a white cord. At the knot there is one tail end which measures 5.5 inches in length with a frayed end. The other tail of the knot measures 15.5 inches in length and ends in a double loop knot. This end of the cord is also frayed. There are no defects noted in the shirt but the upper anterior right sleeve contains a dried brown-tan stain measuring 2.5 x 1.5 inches, consistent with mucous from the nose or mouth. There are long white underwear with an elastic waist band containing a red and blue stripe. The long underwear are urine stained anteriorly over the crotch area and anterior legs. No defects are identified. Beneath the long underwear are white panties with printed rose buds and the words "Wednesday" on the elastic waist band. The underwear is urine stained and in the inner aspect of the crotch are several red areas of staining measuring up to 0.5 inch in maximum dimension.

how she was strangled

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Wrapped around the neck with a double knot in the midline of the posterior neck is a length of white cord similar to that described as being tied around the right wrist. This ligature cord is cut on the right side of the neck and removed. A single black ink mark is placed on the left side of the cut and a double black ink mark on the right side of the cut. The posterior knot is left intact. Extending from the knot on the posterior aspect of the neck are two tails of the knot, one measuring 4 inches in length and having a frayed end, and the other measuring 17 inches in length with the end tied in multiple loops around a length of a round tan-brown wooden stick which measures 4.5 inches in length. This wooden stick is irregularly broken at both ends and there are several colors of paint and apparent glistening varnish on the surface. Printed in gold letters on one end of the wooden stick is the work "Korea". The tail end of another word extends from beneath the loops of the cord tied around the stick and is not able to be interpreted. Blonde hair is entwined in the knot on the posterior aspect of the neck as well as in the cord wrapped around the wooden stick. The white cord is flattened and measures approximately 1/4 inch in width. It appears to be made of a white synthetic material. Also secured around the neck is a gold chain with a single charm in the form of a cross.

that report is 9 pages long and ranges from exactly how she was at the house (in the living room) to the weights and measures of organs to every bruise and scratch on her body as well as "fluids" and blood found on her

what could it be missing?

Dane Bramage · 08-18-2006, 09:40 AM

see... the whole living room thing is suspect. if she was killed in the basement, but moved to the living room before the medical examiner got there, then there would be evidence that the cops would know that never made it into the report.

sure the postion of the body was described as the examiner found her, but perhaps when they found her in the basement she was sitting up flipping them off. you never know.

regardless, it shall be very interesting to see how this whole thing develops.

ShaniFaye · 08-18-2006, 09:43 AM

but my question still stand in regards to the part of the article I quoted...it says

graphic details about the condition of JonBenet Ramsey's body

I guess I was hoping somebody could look at that autopsy report and tell me whats missing

Dane Bramage · 08-18-2006, 10:21 AM

i don't think you missed anything from the autopsy report. i haven't read the whole 9 pages, but those things are extreamly detailed.

what i'm trying to say and no disrespect is intended here, but the autopsy report doesn't paint the whole scene as far as the entire crime. i'm sure they have left out parts from the story. they do it all the time.

but yes, it does seem a bit contradictory.

highthief · 08-18-2006, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

are you meaning the position of her body in the basement? (I would assume so because by the time the medical examiner got there the father had carried her upstairs and the report DOES state that position)

and it does state about the rope that was still wrapped around her neck

and it also states exactly what she was wearing, including her jewelry so Im a tad confused about what you mean?

what she was wearing

how she was strangled

that report is 9 pages long and ranges from exactly how she was at the house (in the living room) to the weights and measures of organs to every bruise and scratch on her body as well as "fluids" and blood found on her

what could it be missing?

All I saw on the page you linked to was the cause of death and other marks and signs found on her body as written by the coroner or pathologist. I see there are subsequent pages available, now, but I guess that's why providing direct quotes, as you did subsequently, rather than just links works better in conversation.

At any rate, even in such extensive reports, details will be kept back until suspects are brought to trial, details that only the killer should really know. What exactly was kept back? Who knows? Maybe he left a Death's Head moth in her throat ...

ShaniFaye · 08-18-2006, 10:36 AM

if you go to the bottom of that page you could click to see the 8 other pages, the links are on the bottom left hand side of the page numbered 1-9 or you can click the "next" next to his signature on the right hand side to from page to page

**sorry I *assumed* since I said it was 9 pages that you'd notice the links to the next ones

The_Jazz · 08-18-2006, 03:12 PM

There is lots of evidence besides the body that might have not been released.

The ones that I can think of are:

Items near the body
DNA profile of the rapist
Items found throughout the house
Blood or bodily fluids found elsewhere
Possible murder weapons

That's 15 seconds of thought for me. I'm sure that there are others. An autopsy is not and never was intended to be a comprehensive murder file.

Val_1 · 08-18-2006, 03:33 PM

It looks like the guy is turning out to be an innocent nut job that turned himself in. His story isn't matching up with the details of the case.

-He claims he picked her up from school, through it was Xmas break. SHe wasn't in school.
-He claims he drugged her, though the autopsy states she hadn't been drugged.
-His ex-wife claims he was with her when in happened

Being a teacher, I don't see how he could have goofed up on the Xmas break part. Maybe he needed to get out of Thailand in a hurry?

Jinn · 08-19-2006, 08:42 AM

Perhaps you're assuming intentional omissions. They noted something, but didn't deem it applicable to the investigation or simply didn't think of it?

I'm entirely unconvinced he did it at this point. I had an otherwise sane friend create a story of how she was raped in the parking lot outside of our school, and somehow managed to believe it so strongly that it became true. After almost 6 months of police investigations and other things, she "realized" that she hadn't been raped after-all.

When the DNA matches, maybe.. just MAYBE.. then.

oberon · 08-20-2006, 12:59 PM

Can I ask why anyone cares about JonBenet Ramsey? Perhaps I simply don't like the media circus that's setting up in town (again), but even when I didn't live in/near Boulder, Colorado, I thought all the attention on this case was a little absurd given that lots of strange murders happen every day all over the world...

ShaniFaye · 08-20-2006, 01:26 PM

its very sad that some one has to ask why we care about the senseless murder of a little girl

oberon · 08-20-2006, 01:36 PM

What about all the other little girls that get murdered all the time? Does anyone pay attention to them? Of course not. Let's be honest here: this girl was unfortunate, but if all the others don't deserve attention neither does she.

ShaniFaye · 08-20-2006, 01:49 PM

actually....yes I do....but on another board thats specifically for true crime. Somehow I think I'd get in trouble if I started making true crime threads about all the cases that interest me.

oberon · 08-20-2006, 02:12 PM

I think it's noble that you have an interest in such cases. But guess what? Unless you're directly involved in the case, your opinions/discussions about the information regarding the case that has been released, "fact-finding", etc. are completely useless for the purpose of actually solving the cases. I'm sure there are a few cases where somebody completely unrelated to the case found some crucial evidence etc. but they are few and far in between.

Now then, if we were to discuss something we might actually have an impact on, such as how to prevent murders, I'd be all ears.

thespian86 · 08-20-2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hambone

It has generally been thought the parents were responsible. There have been countless jokes/parodies/etc on the whole scenario.

Including an episode of family guy where Peter vows to the Ramsey's that he will find and avenge the childs death. The Ramsey's reply with a shakey "no Peter, that's quite fine...

"

Never was invested in the case that much but it is really refreshing to see justice at it's best. It must be something that makes even the biggest police pecismests nod in approval.

EDIT: Oberon? If anything is pointless about this discussion it is arguing wether or not it is news worthy. Like it or not this was a huge case, for whatever reason, and continues to be. And Shani's intrest doesn't need to be motivated by bring others to justice, but simply by being stimulated by the cases and the way they drawout. There are hundreds of topics discussed in the forum that are simply just to hear others opinions; not to literally further anyone in anyway other then to talk about their hobbies and intrests.

You could always begin a thread on the prevention of crime. If you don't want to post, then wait until a discussion that intrests you comes up. Until that day, don't rain on other's parades. Dig?

oberon · 08-20-2006, 02:41 PM

Okay then. I guess this particular thread tickled something in me and I had to ask... carry on.

iamabanana · 08-20-2006, 02:51 PM

Considering that it's a 10 year old case, and everyone involved is dead now, I don't understand the big deal anymore. It's just another case for the media to beef up out of nothing.

They don't make a big deal about this happening to other people (IE the chick from IU that disappeared on her bike). It's because of the pagent crap involved and the fact that her parents were filthy rich.

Psycho Dad · 08-20-2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dane Bramage

the biggest thing to me is why on earth would his exwife give him an alibi? that just makes no sense at all. it seems that they divorced after his child porn convition in california, so why come to his defense now? the whole thing is just a bit fishy.

From what I've seen on TV, she wasn't happy about giving him an alibi. No matter what she has against the guy, she still has to look herself in the face in the mirror every day. Riding the karma train is better than being ran over by it.

flstf · 08-20-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Dad

From what I've seen on TV, she wasn't happy about giving him an alibi. No matter what she has against the guy, she still has to look herself in the face in the mirror every day. Riding the karma train is better than being ran over by it.

As I understand it the only law this guy has broken is to have 5 images on his computer that were determined to be illegal. These were supposedly mixed in with all the child murder case information he was investigating. If he was in Alabama when JonBenet was murdered why shouldn't his ex-wife say so?

If the DNA doesn't match then I guess the prosecutor will probably have to have some proof he was in Boulder in spite of what his ex-wife says. From what I have read the reporters digging into this case have not been able to find evidence that he was ever in Colorado. Of course we don't know what the prosecutor has on him so maybe she can prove otherwise.

This guy is certainly troubled. It was reported on the news tonight that he was seeing a sex change doctor in Thailand.

The_Jazz · 08-28-2006, 01:30 PM

Well it looks like the DNA didn't match.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/0....x7comug8.html

Shocker.

As an aside, a cop friend of mine told me this weekend that he and his buddies on the job all think that this guy is just looking for his 15 minutes of fame. Not that he's really in the know or anything, but it's worth something.

asudevil83 · 08-28-2006, 09:56 PM

i think that either 1 of 3 things happened:

1.) he wants his 15 minutes of fame. i would tend to agree with this, but just by looking at the guy, he is 1000x more disturbed than your normal "i want some fame" person.

the other two ideas go hand and hand. this guy spent SO MUCH TIME reading about this case that he was almost obsessed. i believe that he either:

2.) convinced himself that he must have killed her. psychologically, it takes a fucked up mind to feed yourself with the idea of doing something so horrible.

3.) wanted to much to be the perverted lowlife who did this, that he had to confess to doing the crime even though he knew that he didnt.

either way....just by looking into his eyes you can see how fucked up the guy is. it takes a fucked up person to commit such a disgusting crime, but it takes mind that is just as fucked up (or even more so), to have wanted so much to be the man commited this crime.

Psycho Dad · 08-29-2006, 04:32 AM

He could have seen the writing on the wall as far as the child porn goes and decided to show himself as a total whackjob to get put in a hospital instead of a PITA prison.

Deltona Couple · 08-29-2006, 08:13 AM

Just a side note here...why would he want to confess to this, knowing that he would be proven innocent? Think of this, his is about to be brought up on child porn charges in Californina I believe. So if you have grandstanded yourself as a mentally disturbed person who claims to have comitted the crime of the century; what would be your defense on the child porn charges?...How about TEMPORARY INSANITY...which would get him commited to a mental institute, instead of general population risk in prison. I.E. He wouldn't have to worry about being ass-raped and then killed in prison. Personally I think he is brilliant in his idea, if not just a little sick.

Ample · 08-29-2006, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Deltona Couple

Just a side note here...why would he want to confess to this, knowing that he would be proven innocent?

I bet if he doesnt say another word to the press he could get a million dollar book deal of it.

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Originally Posted by Deltona Couple

He wouldn't have to worry about being ass-raped and then killed in prison. Personally I think he is brilliant in his idea, if not just a little sick.

Sex offenders are kept separate 100% of the time from the general prison population, right or wrong....Nobody will lay a hand on him

Ustwo · 08-29-2006, 08:24 AM

So does this mean all the people that hated the parents, and then felt bad for thinking bad things about said parents in light of the 'confession' will now go back to thinking bad things about the parents?

Rekna · 08-29-2006, 08:35 AM

I'm not sure how much the child porn insanity theory holds water. He was not going to be charged with the child porn crime until after this happened. From what i've heard (unconfirmed) the pictures he had wern't exactly your typical child porn and the case probably would have been thrown out. I heard that the pictures were pictures from some of the child crime cases that he was interested in and the pictures were mostly a technicality because he could have claimed he was doing research for a book. Also what is the punishment for a first time offence of child porn?

kutulu · 08-29-2006, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

So does this mean all the people that hated the parents, and then felt bad for thinking bad things about said parents in light of the 'confession' will now go back to thinking bad things about the parents?

I hope not, for a long time I've thought that it's really fucked up that people always blamed the parents. If the evidence was there, they would have charged them. It doesn't mean that there is no way they actually did it, just that they don't have enough to even charge them on it.

maleficent · 08-29-2006, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Deltona Couple

Just a side note here...why would he want to confess to this, knowing that he would be proven innocent? .

Free trip home...

The amount of money that was spent bringing this guy home is ridiculous... he didn't have to leave taiwan to do the dna test...

kutulu · 08-29-2006, 11:49 AM

Yeah, I'm sure he did that so that he could get a free trip home.

The_Jazz · 08-29-2006, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by maleficent

he didn't have to leave taiwan to do the dna test...

Actually, he did. He wasn't arrested until he got to Los Angeles, which is why he was able to drink alcohol and eat well on the plane. The officers sent to get him had no power to arrest him in Thailand since their police powers don't extend outside the borders of the US. They asked him to submit to a DNA test there, and he refused. They had no way to force him to do it, so they had to wait until he got back in the country to get a court order. The Thai's deported him for falsifying his passport documentation.

Elphaba · 08-29-2006, 12:28 PM

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Also what is the punishment for a first time offence of child porn?

He is charged in California with a misdemenor. No big deal.

lindalove · 08-29-2006, 06:20 PM

Did anyone see this article from PEOPLE magazine?? He is distrubed and SHOULD NOT be allowed out and around children...

People magazine:

http://people.aol.com/people/article...449009,00.html

excerpts from John Mark Karr's e-mails and phone calls to University of Colorado, Boulder journalism professor Michael Tracey were posted Monday on the Boulder County District Attorney's Web site after the case against Karr in the 1996 slaying of JonBenet Ramsey was dropped.

The e-mails to Tracey, who has produced several documentaries about the Ramsey case supporting the theory that the 6-year-old was killed by an intruder, come from Karr's arrest affidavit. Karr was released Monday and promptly rearrested for 2001 child pornography charges.

At various points in the e-mails, Karr uses the alias "Daxis." Some excerpts:

April 2, 2006
Karr talks about his fascination with young girls: "The end of 9 years old is usually the stopping point for me due to the physical height and development of the child. In some parts of the world however I have been highly attracted to girls who were 12 though they were the size of the girls who were 8 in the U.S. I cannot say I was actually attracted to the 12-year-olds but it was a little more tempting. I am attracted to dolls. When they get past the doll stage I am no longer physically attracted."

April 19, 2006
He claims he accidentally strangled JonBenet during sex and then hit her on the head with a flashlight in case she was still suffering: "This was when the tragedy began. Seconds easily turned into minutes in the heat of passion. The deliverer, deriving unreal pleasure both emotionally and sexually, can lose track of that critical time especially with a little girl who is small and more fragile, it is easier to lose her. JonBenet was lost, or so it was believed. ... But the trauma to her head haunts me – so horrible."

May 9, 2006
"(JonBenet's parents) need to know that she had a lover named Daxis, that a dashing prince was with her when she died; that she was not viciously murdered; that I cared for her and tried to revive her when I though she was dead. I loved her so much and I am so sorry that she died in my arms. But it is important that they know WHO she was with and how she died. For instance, she did not suffer."

Sound clips of phone calls between Karr and Tracey were also released. In a July 29, 2006, phone call Tracey placed to Karr, who claimed to be speaking from his Jaguar in the driveway of the Ramsey home in Atlanta, Karr said he wanted Johnny Depp to play him in a movie and that it would make a billion dollars.

He also said of JonBenet, "I loved her so much and I am so sorry that she died in my arms." He claimed that when she died he said, " 'Oh, babydoll, please come back to me.' " Karr also told Tracey, "If it is ever revealed that JonBenet died by my hand, I would be one of the most wanted killers in history."

flstf · 08-29-2006, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ample

I bet if he doesnt say another word to the press he could get a million dollar book deal of it.

It will be remarkable if this guy goes from a life of relative poverty to one of wealth because of the last few weeks publicity. I wonder how many people will be waiting in line to get their copy of his new book with the infamous signature John Mark Karr?

magictoy · 08-29-2006, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by flstf

It will be remarkable if this guy goes from a life of relative poverty to one of wealth because of the last few weeks publicity. I wonder how many people will be waiting in line to get their copy of his new book with the infamous signature John Mark Karr?

Murderabilia is a booming business. People buy hair and toenail clippings of mass murderers.

Bill O'Rights · 08-30-2006, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by lindalove

He is distrubed and SHOULD NOT be allowed out and around children...

How about just not allowed out...period?
If ever a man needed to be thrown in jail, just on general principle, and forgotten about...then we have, I believe, a candidate.
"The end of 9 years old is usually the stopping point for me..."
"I am attracted to dolls."
"(JonBenet's parents) need to know that she had a lover named Daxis."
"a dashing prince"

What...a...freak!

ShaniFaye · 07-09-2008, 01:02 PM

sooooo....what do you think about the news out today? that the entire Ramsey family has been cleared and the DNA on Jon Benet was a completely unknown male?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/09/...dna/index.html

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(CNN) -- Recently developed "touch DNA" technology has cleared all members of JonBenet Ramsey's family of her slaying, authorities said Wednesday.

Boulder County District Attorney Mary Lacy said no one in the Ramsey family is considered a suspect and formally apologized in a letter to John Ramsey for the cloud of suspicion his family has lived under for nearly 12 years.

"To the extent that we may have contributed in any way to the public perception that you might have been involved in this crime, I am deeply sorry," Lacy wrote.

Instead, DNA tests conducted earlier this year point to an "unknown male," in the 6-year-old child beauty pageant contestant's December 1996 slaying.

John Ramsey found his daughter's body in the basement of the family's Boulder, Colorado, home on December 26, 1996. She had been strangled and beaten. Testing in 1998 showed that DNA evidence found in the girl's underwear and beneath her fingernails was from an unidentified man and did not match anyone in the Ramsey family.

Tests conducted in March revealed that new DNA collected from a pair of long johns matched a sample previously taken from the child's panties.

Genetic material was scraped from the waistband of the long johns, which JonBenet was wearing over her underwear when her body was found. Lacey said in her statement that authorities believe the long johns were either replaced or removed by her killer.

Additional tests were conducted to ensure that the genetic material did not come from law enforcement of medical examiner's personnel, the statement said.

"The unexplained third-party DNA on the clothing of the victim is very significant and powerful evidence," Lacey's statement said. "It is therefore the position of the Boulder District Attorney's Office that this profile belongs to the perpetrator of the homicide."

Lacey took pains to state that her office does not consider JonBenet's father, her mother -- now deceased -- or older brother to be suspects. She said she released the findings in the interest of justice.

"Local, national and even international publicity has focused on the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. Many members of the public came to believe that one or more of the Ramseys, including her mother or her father or even her brother, were responsible for this brutal homicide. Those suspicions were not based on evidence that had been tested in court; rather, they were based on evidence reported by the media."

Patsy Ramsey died of ovarian cancer in June 2006 in Atlanta, Georgia. The family moved there from Boulder, Colorado, after JonBenet's death

link to the letter

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/09/...l#cnnSTCOther1

*Nikki* · 07-09-2008, 01:38 PM

Very sad. Too bad her mom never got to know this before she died. I always thought the family was innocent.

jewels · 07-09-2008, 02:35 PM

How sad that they'll never know. Aren't the parent divorced as a result of the stress and accusations?

08-18-2006, 09:20 AM	#42 (permalink)
Dane Bramage Insane Location: Charlotte, NC	okay... correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't the murder take place in the basement? if that is the case, then the body had been moved by the time the medical examiner got there. as stated in the autopsy report, the body was on the floor in the living room when the examiner arrived. perhaps, the conditions that had been kept secret are relating to this. dunno... shrugs __________________ Every passing hour brings the Solar System forty-three thousand miles closer to Globular Cluster M13 in Hercules — and still there are some misfits who insist that there is no such thing as progress. Kurt Vonnegut - Sirens of Titan

08-18-2006, 09:40 AM	#44 (permalink)
Dane Bramage Insane Location: Charlotte, NC	see... the whole living room thing is suspect. if she was killed in the basement, but moved to the living room before the medical examiner got there, then there would be evidence that the cops would know that never made it into the report. sure the postion of the body was described as the examiner found her, but perhaps when they found her in the basement she was sitting up flipping them off. you never know. regardless, it shall be very interesting to see how this whole thing develops. __________________ Every passing hour brings the Solar System forty-three thousand miles closer to Globular Cluster M13 in Hercules — and still there are some misfits who insist that there is no such thing as progress. Kurt Vonnegut - Sirens of Titan

08-18-2006, 09:43 AM	#45 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	but my question still stand in regards to the part of the article I quoted...it says graphic details about the condition of JonBenet Ramsey's body I guess I was hoping somebody could look at that autopsy report and tell me whats missing __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

08-18-2006, 10:21 AM	#46 (permalink)
Dane Bramage Insane Location: Charlotte, NC	i don't think you missed anything from the autopsy report. i haven't read the whole 9 pages, but those things are extreamly detailed. what i'm trying to say and no disrespect is intended here, but the autopsy report doesn't paint the whole scene as far as the entire crime. i'm sure they have left out parts from the story. they do it all the time. but yes, it does seem a bit contradictory. __________________ Every passing hour brings the Solar System forty-three thousand miles closer to Globular Cluster M13 in Hercules — and still there are some misfits who insist that there is no such thing as progress. Kurt Vonnegut - Sirens of Titan

08-18-2006, 10:36 AM	#48 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	if you go to the bottom of that page you could click to see the 8 other pages, the links are on the bottom left hand side of the page numbered 1-9 or you can click the "next" next to his signature on the right hand side to from page to page *sorry I assumed* since I said it was 9 pages that you'd notice the links to the next ones __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!* Last edited by ShaniFaye; 08-18-2006 at 10:39 AM..

08-18-2006, 03:12 PM	#49 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	There is lots of evidence besides the body that might have not been released. The ones that I can think of are: Items near the body DNA profile of the rapist Items found throughout the house Blood or bodily fluids found elsewhere Possible murder weapons That's 15 seconds of thought for me. I'm sure that there are others. An autopsy is not and never was intended to be a comprehensive murder file. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

08-18-2006, 03:33 PM	#50 (permalink)
Val_1 Addict Location: In a State of Denial	It looks like the guy is turning out to be an innocent nut job that turned himself in. His story isn't matching up with the details of the case. -He claims he picked her up from school, through it was Xmas break. SHe wasn't in school. -He claims he drugged her, though the autopsy states she hadn't been drugged. -His ex-wife claims he was with her when in happened Being a teacher, I don't see how he could have goofed up on the Xmas break part. Maybe he needed to get out of Thailand in a hurry? __________________ I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. -Frank Sinatra

08-19-2006, 08:42 AM	#51 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	Perhaps you're assuming intentional omissions. They noted something, but didn't deem it applicable to the investigation or simply didn't think of it? I'm entirely unconvinced he did it at this point. I had an otherwise sane friend create a story of how she was raped in the parking lot outside of our school, and somehow managed to believe it so strongly that it became true. After almost 6 months of police investigations and other things, she "realized" that she hadn't been raped after-all. When the DNA matches, maybe.. just MAYBE.. then. __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

08-20-2006, 12:59 PM	#52 (permalink)
oberon Quadrature Amplitude Modulator Location: Denver	Can I ask why anyone cares about JonBenet Ramsey? Perhaps I simply don't like the media circus that's setting up in town (again), but even when I didn't live in/near Boulder, Colorado, I thought all the attention on this case was a little absurd given that lots of strange murders happen every day all over the world... __________________ "There are finer fish in the sea than have ever been caught." -- Irish proverb

08-20-2006, 01:26 PM	#53 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	its very sad that some one has to ask why we care about the senseless murder of a little girl __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

08-20-2006, 01:36 PM	#54 (permalink)
oberon Quadrature Amplitude Modulator Location: Denver	What about all the other little girls that get murdered all the time? Does anyone pay attention to them? Of course not. Let's be honest here: this girl was unfortunate, but if all the others don't deserve attention neither does she. __________________ "There are finer fish in the sea than have ever been caught." -- Irish proverb

08-20-2006, 01:49 PM	#55 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	actually....yes I do....but on another board thats specifically for true crime. Somehow I think I'd get in trouble if I started making true crime threads about all the cases that interest me. __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

08-20-2006, 02:12 PM	#56 (permalink)
oberon Quadrature Amplitude Modulator Location: Denver	I think it's noble that you have an interest in such cases. But guess what? Unless you're directly involved in the case, your opinions/discussions about the information regarding the case that has been released, "fact-finding", etc. are completely useless for the purpose of actually solving the cases. I'm sure there are a few cases where somebody completely unrelated to the case found some crucial evidence etc. but they are few and far in between. Now then, if we were to discuss something we might actually have an impact on, such as how to prevent murders, I'd be all ears. __________________ "There are finer fish in the sea than have ever been caught." -- Irish proverb

08-20-2006, 02:41 PM	#58 (permalink)
oberon Quadrature Amplitude Modulator Location: Denver	Okay then. I guess this particular thread tickled something in me and I had to ask... carry on. __________________ "There are finer fish in the sea than have ever been caught." -- Irish proverb

08-20-2006, 02:51 PM	#59 (permalink)
iamabanana Upright Location: Behind you.	Considering that it's a 10 year old case, and everyone involved is dead now, I don't understand the big deal anymore. It's just another case for the media to beef up out of nothing. They don't make a big deal about this happening to other people (IE the chick from IU that disappeared on her bike). It's because of the pagent crap involved and the fact that her parents were filthy rich.

08-28-2006, 01:30 PM	#62 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	Well it looks like the DNA didn't match. http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/0....x7comug8.html Shocker. As an aside, a cop friend of mine told me this weekend that he and his buddies on the job all think that this guy is just looking for his 15 minutes of fame. Not that he's really in the know or anything, but it's worth something. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

08-28-2006, 09:56 PM	#63 (permalink)
asudevil83 Psycho Location: Scottsdale, AZ	i think that either 1 of 3 things happened: 1.) he wants his 15 minutes of fame. i would tend to agree with this, but just by looking at the guy, he is 1000x more disturbed than your normal "i want some fame" person. the other two ideas go hand and hand. this guy spent SO MUCH TIME reading about this case that he was almost obsessed. i believe that he either: 2.) convinced himself that he must have killed her. psychologically, it takes a fucked up mind to feed yourself with the idea of doing something so horrible. 3.) wanted to much to be the perverted lowlife who did this, that he had to confess to doing the crime even though he knew that he didnt. either way....just by looking into his eyes you can see how fucked up the guy is. it takes a fucked up person to commit such a disgusting crime, but it takes mind that is just as fucked up (or even more so), to have wanted so much to be the man commited this crime.

08-29-2006, 04:32 AM	#64 (permalink)
Psycho Dad Mulletproof Location: Some nucking fut house.	He could have seen the writing on the wall as far as the child porn goes and decided to show himself as a total whackjob to get put in a hospital instead of a PITA prison. __________________ Don't always trust the opinions of experts.

08-29-2006, 08:13 AM	#65 (permalink)
Deltona Couple Addict Location: Spring, Texas	Just a side note here...why would he want to confess to this, knowing that he would be proven innocent? Think of this, his is about to be brought up on child porn charges in Californina I believe. So if you have grandstanded yourself as a mentally disturbed person who claims to have comitted the crime of the century; what would be your defense on the child porn charges?...How about TEMPORARY INSANITY...which would get him commited to a mental institute, instead of general population risk in prison. I.E. He wouldn't have to worry about being ass-raped and then killed in prison. Personally I think he is brilliant in his idea, if not just a little sick. __________________ "It is not that I have failed, but that I have found 10,000 ways that it DOESN'T work!" --Thomas Edison

08-29-2006, 08:24 AM	#67 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	So does this mean all the people that hated the parents, and then felt bad for thinking bad things about said parents in light of the 'confession' will now go back to thinking bad things about the parents? __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

08-29-2006, 08:35 AM	#68 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	I'm not sure how much the child porn insanity theory holds water. He was not going to be charged with the child porn crime until after this happened. From what i've heard (unconfirmed) the pictures he had wern't exactly your typical child porn and the case probably would have been thrown out. I heard that the pictures were pictures from some of the child crime cases that he was interested in and the pictures were mostly a technicality because he could have claimed he was doing research for a book. Also what is the punishment for a first time offence of child porn?

08-29-2006, 11:49 AM	#71 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	Yeah, I'm sure he did that so that he could get a free trip home.

08-29-2006, 06:20 PM	#74 (permalink)
lindalove Registered User	Did anyone see this article from PEOPLE magazine?? He is distrubed and SHOULD NOT be allowed out and around children... People magazine: http://people.aol.com/people/article...449009,00.html excerpts from John Mark Karr's e-mails and phone calls to University of Colorado, Boulder journalism professor Michael Tracey were posted Monday on the Boulder County District Attorney's Web site after the case against Karr in the 1996 slaying of JonBenet Ramsey was dropped. The e-mails to Tracey, who has produced several documentaries about the Ramsey case supporting the theory that the 6-year-old was killed by an intruder, come from Karr's arrest affidavit. Karr was released Monday and promptly rearrested for 2001 child pornography charges. At various points in the e-mails, Karr uses the alias "Daxis." Some excerpts: April 2, 2006 Karr talks about his fascination with young girls: "The end of 9 years old is usually the stopping point for me due to the physical height and development of the child. In some parts of the world however I have been highly attracted to girls who were 12 though they were the size of the girls who were 8 in the U.S. I cannot say I was actually attracted to the 12-year-olds but it was a little more tempting. I am attracted to dolls. When they get past the doll stage I am no longer physically attracted." April 19, 2006 He claims he accidentally strangled JonBenet during sex and then hit her on the head with a flashlight in case she was still suffering: "This was when the tragedy began. Seconds easily turned into minutes in the heat of passion. The deliverer, deriving unreal pleasure both emotionally and sexually, can lose track of that critical time especially with a little girl who is small and more fragile, it is easier to lose her. JonBenet was lost, or so it was believed. ... But the trauma to her head haunts me – so horrible." May 9, 2006 "(JonBenet's parents) need to know that she had a lover named Daxis, that a dashing prince was with her when she died; that she was not viciously murdered; that I cared for her and tried to revive her when I though she was dead. I loved her so much and I am so sorry that she died in my arms. But it is important that they know WHO she was with and how she died. For instance, she did not suffer." Sound clips of phone calls between Karr and Tracey were also released. In a July 29, 2006, phone call Tracey placed to Karr, who claimed to be speaking from his Jaguar in the driveway of the Ramsey home in Atlanta, Karr said he wanted Johnny Depp to play him in a movie and that it would make a billion dollars. He also said of JonBenet, "I loved her so much and I am so sorry that she died in my arms." He claimed that when she died he said, " 'Oh, babydoll, please come back to me.' " Karr also told Tracey, "If it is ever revealed that JonBenet died by my hand, I would be one of the most wanted killers in history."

07-09-2008, 01:38 PM	#79 (permalink)
Nikki ~~~~~~~ Location: Charleston, SC	Very sad. Too bad her mom never got to know this before she died. I always thought the family was innocent.

07-09-2008, 02:35 PM	#80 (permalink)
jewels Eponymous Location: Central Central Florida	How sad that they'll never know. Aren't the parent divorced as a result of the stress and accusations? __________________ We are always more anxious to be distinguished for a talent which we do not possess, than to be praised for the fifteen which we do possess. Mark Twain