Mel Gibson apologises for anti-semitic abuse
I know there are examples of different newspapers reporting the same events with vast discrepancies, but this one cried out to me today. The first is from Toronto's Metro - the free paper on the subway:
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Does the Guardian have an ulterior motive for printing Mel's remarks and having him painted as an anti-semite (which he obviously is on some level)? I can't see a reason why one paper did and the other didn't. Can you? |
See, the weird thing here is that it's being characterized as apologizing for the anti-Semitic remarks, but if you read the actual statment, it's a very generic apology to the deputies for "despicable behavior" and words. I'm not sure if he has apologized for the anti-semitism. It's certainly possible that hea meant it in that way, but the words there are awfully ambiguous.
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Alcohol does two things: It enhances the asshole effect and it allows the truth to come up. That's all I'm sayin....
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At least he's apologizing for his behavior. How many celebrities actually apologize the next day after they do something stupid like this?
As for the cover up? I doubt the police are concerned with his opinions as racist or contraversial as they may be. They're concerned with the laws he broke and enforcing those laws. Doesn't matter to me if it's covered up or not. |
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Thanks for the reminder not to believe things just because I read them.
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"A drunken man speaks a sober mind", or so the saying goes, I think there is a whole lot of truth to it.
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But maybe the jewish controlled media wants us to read it that way, so Mel gets no sympathy or forgiveness. Cunning, eh? [/sarcasm] |
OK, I wrote this all once and cleared it out accidentally.
I hope I got it all down properly the second time. Here read the whole thing on TMZ (http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/28/gibson...ged-cover-up/). You have to see some of the stuff he said about Jews and women. Quote:
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I think it is really bad the the Police, in this case, lied (held back the whole story). If we can't count on the Police to be truthful and straightforward, then who can we count on. This probably happend more than we would like to believe. I think that this is another case (good intentioned maybe) of shorsighted decisions that kill the credibility of the authorities. I am sure that the L.A. police do not need any more of these types of situations. Quote:
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This is not the first time that Gibson has been accused of being an anti-semite and unfortunately it won't be the last. First it was, "His father is an anti-semite, he is not". Then it was, "no, he is just re-telling the story". And now it is "he just drank a bit too much, besides, he appologized". Quote:
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This is translated as - by one's pocket, by one's cup, by one's anger. The interpretation is that there are three ways to tell the true nature of a man (person). - by one's pocket - by how a person deals with money matters - by one's cup - by how a person handles himself with alcohol - by one's anger - by how a person handles his anger |
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1. Drove drunk, endangering the lives of other people 2. Resisted arrest, making the job of the officers harder and raising tension 3. Make some stupid drunken remarks including anti-semitic ones. Instead the popular opinion seems to order his actions this way: 1. Talked bad about Jews 2. Drove drunk, endangering the lives of other people 3. Blamed Jews for his woes 4. Resisted arrest, making the job of the officers harder and raising tension 5. Make some stupid drunken remarks including anti-semitic ones. 6. Did we mention his dad didn't think the holocaust happened? 7. Mel badmouthed the Jews |
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That said, I don't think choosing one aspect of an issue to focus on means that others are not important or are less important. It just means that a different area has been chosen for that particular discussion. You're not going to find me arguing that the drunk driving was the worst thing he did. I think he should be spending the next month in jail rather than rehab. That just wasn't the subject of this discussion. Gilda |
This of course will be used as an excuse to destroy Mel yet oddly I bet the same people support Roman Polanski.
Hell, Mel's comments sound like anything you hear comming out of the U.N. these days anyways. |
I like drunk mel better than sobre mel. he's more entertaining.
btw, his BAC was only .12 - what a lightweight. it sure don't take much to make ol' mel go nuts. "I'm gonna fuck you" - nice. did he mean that in a sexual way? we can only assume. In the past few days 2 things already assumed by me were confirmed: Lance Bass is gay and Mel Gibson is an anti-semite. |
It was a BS, canned apology written by a publicist. BFD.
His comments got the attention over the DUI because DUI's are boring. Lots and lots of people get DUIs. I know at least 10 people who got DUIs at some point in their lives. We are always hearing about celebs, athletes, politicians, etc. getting DUIs. What we don't usually hear is one of those people making racist remarks. Another thing we don't hear about is a police department that sanitizes the arrest report so that the person's image can be kept clean. With his past history, it's blatantly obvious that he's a full-blown anti-semite. I think he probably has good self control and a good publicist so that is usually kept under wraps. A good publicist know how to do damage control. Seriously, what non-anti-Semite starts saying shit like "fucking jews" or "the Jews caused all of the wars"? It's like Tom Cruise. We all knew that he was a Scientologist and therefore a little nutty. Last year, he went and fired his publicist and replaced her with his sister (another Scientologist). All of a sudden, Tom becomes Tomcat. He goes on rants and raves and starts looking like a lunatic. Eventually, he fires his sister and replaces her with a real publicist and he's not looking so crazy anymore. USTWO, I'm *shocked* that you are trying to blame this on the liberal media. |
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Mel was on thin Hollywood ice for the whole POTC thing, so this will be used to make sure he is blackballed. Mel's problem is that he is not a liberal, liberals are not held accountable in Hollywood, but you assume to much since I never mentioned the media. |
So, if I understand correctly, if Mel Gibson were liberal and made anti-Semitic comments everything would be copasetic and no one would care? Because...I'm not inclined to believe that's the case.
I'm pretty sure when you're a celebrity and you say the kind of stuff he said, you're going to get negative publicity for it. I don't think his politics (liberal vs. conservative) make very much difference. POTC put him under the spotlight on the Jew issue (I had no interest in watching it so I can neither confirm nor deny that that movie is in any way anti-Semitic). And once you've put that kind of attention on yourself, if you follow it up by getting roaring drunk and spewing epithets at police officers that are related to the same negative attention, your reputation is going to suffer. How the US feels about Israel and Jews and how the media portrays those issues aside, celebrities who make blatantly racist remarks are going to feel some heat, no matter who they are. That Gibson happened to already be in the hot seat about Jews only exacerbates how much attention people are going to pay, but I doubt there'd be much difference if the arresting office were black and he blamed poverty on a bunch of n******. |
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Last fall former NASCAR champion Kurt Busch was pulled over after running a stop sign. He started berating the officer, yelling 'Don't you know who I am?? I could have your badge!', etc.etc.....Now, he's a total asshole around the NASCAR scene, so that didn't surprise me. And these reports that Gibson went off about Jews doesn't either. Bill Cosby has an old bit about his asking Richard Pryor why he did cocaine. Pryor answered that it 'enhanced certain aspects of your personality'. Cosby then replie, 'Yea, but, what if you're an asshole?' Same thing with booze....it causes tongue slippage coupled with the don'tgiveafuck syndrome. |
mel obviously has an alcohol problem.
mel really should not drink. mel drives when he is drunk. mel says stupid things when he is drunk. mel puts his agent in an awkward spot when he is drunk. personally, i hope he dries out somewhere and gets treatment to help him stay off the sauce. i dont really understand what roman polanski has to do with any of this: is this the non sequitor of the moment that the limbaugh crowd is throwing about? |
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I don't CARE if Mel Gibson is anti-semetic or not, hes just an actor, I do care that the president of Iran wants to destroy Israel and has stated so publicly, or that many people in the world think Israel should just accept being bombed as a way of life and not fight back. Of all the people saying obnoxious comments about the Jews these days, Mel Gibson should be VERY low on the list of who matters. |
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point is, there are poeple who get nicer the more they drink, however few there are. |
Now the drunk hijack is interesting.
For me I tend to get more of what my mood is when I get drunk. If I'm happy, I'm a happy nice drunk, if I'm pissed off I'm the pissed off mean drunk. There are times when a drink can make me more mellow, but from personal experiance I avoid drinking when I'm pissed/sad. |
Yeah, never get drunk if you're in the mood to hijack something.
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Gibson's statement is for damage control.
He may go to court. 140m/h on what road? Sounds very dangerous to me. Fuk him, I say. |
I think the reason why the free metro paper printed less infomation might simply be space consideration. The free papers I've picked up in the past tend to only be pretty short and mainly focused on local issues where as larger papers can focus more on stories intended for blatant sensationalism.
I honestly fail to see the point in news agencies reporting anything thats happened with Mel Gibson besides their attempt to attract viewers. Yes, he was drunk driving. Yes, he spat out anti semitic remarks. Yes, he really should apologize. If you took Mel Gibson out and replaced him with a random person off the street, we'd never have heard a whisper. I'm sure things like this happen with disapointing regularity and we never hear about it simply because no one in the public eye is involved. I'm not condoning his behavior, just saying that it's not even real news. |
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Gibson's latest appology:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movi...ent/index.html |
I think you will find that Metro used an Associated Press story and that the Guardian used either one of their own writers or a stringer on the ground in LA.
A syndicated AP story is generally going to favour being the dry side. |
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Now THAT'S an apology. *applause* Hope he sticks to it, and actually means it.
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A much 'better' apology but what is the difference really? Words are just words. Besides, I doubt he was the one who wrote it anyways.
I personally don't care if he's a bigot or not, personal viewpoints won't keep me from watching his movies. I support everyone's right to be an ignorant bigot, as long as you aren't acting out your viewpoints on others. Sgoilear: Yes it is 'not news' but so is most of the 'news' the media corps throw at us. All that really matters is whether people want to hear about it. Back to the apology. I think its funny how people place such importance on apologies and saying the right things. People are so stupid. They are easily manipulated by statements prepared by professional writers. I guess it's a lot easier to listen to what a person says than it is to watch what they do. |
Mel Gibson is an actor.. And a good one at that in my opinion. I know a lot of anti-semites... But they aren't actors, so they don't get shit for spouting off at the mouth.
My personal opinion is thus: So what? It's not like he went out and shot a jew. Shooting off at the mouth is never a good thing, but beliefs are beliefs, and nothing is going to change how he thinks. So... Let him keep acting, and directing, and anything else he does. If he's discriminating about working with jewish people, or in any other way harming jews, then we have an issue. But as it stands, I really don't see any issue here, past driving 140 while a wee bit tipsy. |
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To me, the biggest issue here is the cops attempting to cover up his behavior. I don't agree with Mel's viewpoints. I've always felt that he was a sexist and a bigot, in this case he just proves it. But, since he isn't in any way my friend or neighbor there's nothing I can do to change that. But, when an official police document was about to be changed to remove all the evidence from a public record .... THAT is wrong!
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I hear he (or his publicist) came out with a more to the point apology. Nevertheless, in vino veritas. Hardly surprising from the guy who wrote and directed "How the Jews Killed Jesus", better known as "The Jesus Chainsaw Massacre", sold as "Passion of the Christ".
Hey Mel! Jesus was a Jewish liberal. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. |
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I can't believe this crap.
There are people here crucifying the man for a drunken (free speech) tirade, and yet they argue and say they will fight for censorship. Hypocrites! Either Gibson had the right to say what he said and should face no retribution and thus free speech OR he should be condemned for the rantings of a drunken man and thus we all need watch what we say and Heaven forbid we ever get drunk and say something we regret. As for the Sheriff cover-up, the only reason anyone cares about what happened is he is a celebrity and people like to see famous people get into trouble and have problems..... it somehow allows us to feel better.... it's why soap operas are so big. He is being investigated for drunk driving and probably will be found guilty.... NOT for what he said. I cannot believe how quick we are to want to see blood and someone's carerr and life be destroyed because they made a mistake. There is also someone above who said something to the effect ".12 what a lightweight". Alcohol affects people differently. If you have drank long enough you experience a tolerence break where your liver is pretty much fried and you get drunk on low doses. This could be a reason, another could be he had been on a bender and the alcohol was wearing off. He could have been depressed that he relapsed and he had a tirade to point fingers as to why. Who knows..... not one of us were there, not one of the fucking talking head/gossip columnists were there. Speculation, rumors and gossip are pathetic ways to try a person. |
It's pretty simple. Drunk driving = wrong, and he should be arrested etc. Of course people are more interested because of who he is. It was just a mistake, but one that he should have to pay consequences to just like anyone else.
Sure, have a drunken tirade. I do it all the time m'self! :lol: But seriously... drunk or not, if you start going off about how 'everything is the Jews' fault'... yeah. You're an anti-Semite, and for that kind of irrational racism, you should be bitchslapped. I believe in free speech, but I also believe in bitchslapping. |
Free speech means you have the right to say something. It does not mean you have the right to say something free of any and all consequences. He'd already fought off questions about being anti-Semitic before; now he's just confirmed that they were true. Being an anti-Semite, unfortunately for Gibson, has consequences-like ABC won't want you to produce a miniseries about the Holocaust, for example. People who think biggotry is stupid and wrong won't want to work for him or with him, despite his star power.
This isn't about "He's free to say whatever he wants." Of course he is. That doesn't mean the rest of the world either has to like it or has to ignore it. It is not illegal for him to hate Jews. He cannot and should not be jailed for it. However, he has no Constitutional protection against people deciding that being one makes him a stupid asshat and not be interested in seeing his movies or being in them or associating with him. People are not entitled to the rest of the world conforming to their ideas or accepting them simply because they have them. As tophat said, in vino veritas. I have no interest in supporting someone who thinks that Jews killed his lord and savior and ruined the world, and neither the Constitution nor anything else guaranatee him the ability to be like that without other people choosing not to have anything to do with him. |
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There's a huge difference between supporting the person and punishing the person. If you do not like what the man says you do not buy his product. The studio heads decide that they don't want him to be in their movies, have his distributed by their studio and so on. But to have people say he needs to be bitchslapped and by whom(?) that's just wrong. If you personally have issues with what he said turn away and look elsewhere and for people you can believe in what they say. To me, Mel Gibson is a decent actor, one of the best these days, he adds humor and has a style of acting I like. His personal life is none of my business, his beliefs are none of my business and what he says and does outside of that entertainment realm is none of my business. If he comes down my street and preaches hatred or if his movies are filled with hatred then I will lose interest and decide I won't buy his product. If he restarts a NAZI party and declares all jews must die..... then he needs help, deep psychological help. As for The Passion of The Christ, it was a very good movie, very realistic as to how the Bible itself wrote it. It was also damn entertaining and well acted. I didn't find it anti-semitic in anyway. What, was Mel Gibson supposed to change the Bible and history and make the Jews love and want to save Christ? For Christians, Christ died to save us all...... therefore he had to die and had to suffer because it was his sacrifice to do so. That is all I got out of what the movie and Gibson said. I saw nothing damning the jews. If people worried more about the log in their own eye and not the splinter in anothers, when it comes to what 1 man says the world may just be a better place. |
Agreed on all points Pan. I don't remember, anywhere in our Constitution of the United States where it states that "You have the right to not be offended"
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Who is talking about a right to not be offended?
He made offensive comments, so now people don't want to be involved with him because they feel offended. If a guy at work tells you he raped your mom every day you walked by his desk, wouldn't you try to avoid that guy at work? Actions have consequences. He has a right to hate Jews and he has a right to express that hate if he chooses. He does not have a right to express that hate free and expect that nothing will change. He offended a lot of people and they have every right to choose to not go to his movies or be in his movies or anything else regarding him. Alternately, people who don't want to be tarnished by his newfound reputation as a bigot will avoid him or distance themselves from him. Freedom of expression does not guarantee tolerance or acceptance of that expression. |
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I didn't say anyone had to ignore it... But its a personal choice, and as far as the mass media coverage, and bullshit that goes along with it... Thats too much.
On an individual basis, if you want to boycott him, thats fine, and I won't berate you for it. But legal-esq punishment? Please.... |
having been drunk quite a few times in my younger days and not remembering what i've said or done on a few of those, i'm inclined to forgive, forget, and move on with whatever he may have said. Personally, I think that there is a bit of hypocrisy floating around. How many of you would be criticizing him if Mel had gone off on a tirade calling the cop a german nazi and a hitler puppet and then slamming the whole nazi movement? My guess is less than two or three of you.
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As soon as I heard they found a bottle of Tequila in the car, I discounted just about everything he said. Te-kill-ya is not normal booze. It makes you say and do stuff you can't even believe you said or did. BTDT.
Also, I realize that LA/Malibu cops are used to dealing with all manner of star/wanna-be/washed-up actor types, but who writes up an 8 page report on the babblings of drunk asshole during a DUI arrest? Only someone who wants to share the limelight when the shit hits the fan. You can be sure if it was you or I every drunken slur and insult would not have been written down in a report. Also, what is the big deal with insulting Jews? What if he goes off on 'lazy, cross-breeding Mexicanos' , 'foul smelling cheap-ass frenchies' , or 'sneaky slant-eyed Japs'. Is there a French Anti-Defamation League who gets their panties in a wad? A Mexican Civil Liberties Union running to crucify Gibson? A Japanese Defense Society who sentences him to eternal damnation? Didn't think so. Sticks and stones and all that..... |
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I don't really care one way or the other about what Gibson said. (EDIT: Though I did find it offensive). He was drunk-driving way, way over the speed limit. That's the main issue for me. However, I understand that there will likely be consequences when someone in a highly public career goes on a drunken anti-semetic rant. I know that I probably won't be going to any of his films, but not because of his comments. I just don't think he's much of an actor. He has a few good movies, most are average/bad. |
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To clarify: bitchslapping a person is certainly not a legal punishment, just a societal one as detailed by others.
I was speaking casually, but my point was that he can say whatever he wants - but he shouldn't expect people to not have strong opinions about his opinions. He's too public a figure. And for myself, when I hear racist mumbo-jumbo, I want to slap that person. But usually, I just practice that one mentally and hand out verbal ass-kicking instead. Legally, it's agreed that the only thing they should be penalizing him for is the DUI, the stupid schmuck. And yep, have to agree with Ustwo - it's just Mel Gibson. He doesn't have command of an army. Unlike the Iranians... /shudders |
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I know ....... it's that whole public disturbance thing. He was loud and acting a fool (as drunks do) and they want to charge him for that also. And while we're at it let's pressure the judge to max old Mad Max out on the sentencing, that'll teach him to speak his mind. From this I have learned..... if and when I drink I can no not never speak badly of sprites and pixies..... even though I love them when sober when I drink I find them very much a nuisance. So Heaven forbid I start walking home from a drunk get arrested for public intox and instead of wanting to feel guilty for my stupid actions I go into a tirade against pixies and sprites...... I don't believe what I am saying, I'm just having a drunk rationalization that if I can blame others for why I am drinking maybe someone will understand that I have a true reason to drink. I know that's psycho babble from an bleeding heart liberal addictions counselor that many of you probably just see as an excuse, even though it happens. |
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I refuse to accept being drunk as an excuse for anything he said. He chose to drink, he chose to get in a car. The subesequent behavior is his, not the alcohol's.
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keep in mind his bac was only .12 - that and he's an admitted alcoholic. most alcoholics I know wake up with a .12 not go on anti-semetic tirades. .12 what is that like 4 beers? damn mel is a lightweight pussy.
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As stated above a long term alcoholic who has liver issues will get drunk on less, it's called a tolernece break. (Hopefully, this isn't Mel's case.) Also, when a recovering alcoholic who has a significant amount of time in recovery (everyone is different and thus the results) when they first "slip" it may take very little to "get them drunk". They will return very fast to the tolerence level they stopped at, but the first 2-3 times out they'll get "drunk" on very little. Also, who's to say alcohol was the only drug in his system, it's the only one they tested for. Before stating the above, keep those facts in mind. |
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