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uncle phil 04-20-2003 01:30 PM

veteran's discussion
 
I started this in v.3 and it was beginning to pick up, with the help of a few of the veterans in our midst such as rockogre, sandman, i8one2, anredux2002, reconmike, and zerocode. Here's the deal: Some of you veterans may have things on your mind that you want to talk about, joke about, discuss, get out in the open, or otherwise get out of your heads. THIS IS THE PLACE TO DO IT! If you are a current serviceman or veteran of any period of service (doesn't have to be combat or a specific "conflict") come on in and hang out.

i8one2 04-20-2003 03:13 PM

What must be kept alive is the spirit of the days on the calender that used to mean something very special to this country. All of the fallen comrades who have given the lives or have been harmed for serving their country with honor and sacrifice.

the commercialization of any holiday, but especially the ones that honor our soldiers or freedom is a complete disgrace.

YUP! I know that I'll be running around all the stores looking for that 15% savings on Memorial Day day. NOT!

There is a great opportunity have these days to have significance again... but will there really be a shift from buy, buy, buy to patriotism in the the long term??

reconmike 04-20-2003 03:20 PM

Great point i8,
What really pisses me off is those friggen japanese car comericals on memorial day. I would love to see a big VJ day sale or a Hirshima Toyota blowout event.

And now I have seen jeep comericals showing them in WW2, saying the spirt lives on....Hello they were built to defeat the germans, same people that now own the company.

Sorry rant over.

uncle phil 04-20-2003 03:26 PM

if you need to rant, that's what this thread is about, among other things...rant on...

paddyjoe 04-20-2003 03:37 PM

I'm sorry but commercialism is here to stay and has been for quite some time now. We know that but what do you suppose can be done? Hell, look what they've done to the birth of Christ. Do you really think Easter is about jelly beans? As far as we go, I'd kinda be happy just to have a day off work on Veterans Day.

reconmike 04-20-2003 03:48 PM

Hey paddyjoe,
Me and my boss had alittle disagreement last year about veterans day, I just wanted it off and some other guy had wanted it off to because it was the day before his birthday.
He gave him off and I bugged.
this year I have it as a paid holiday.

rockogre 04-20-2003 03:49 PM

New roots grow in fertile soil. Glad to see the thread restarted in this newest endeavor Uncle Phil.

A few years ago our local Wal-Mart asked the scout troop I help with to dispose of several hundred American flags in the appropriate manner, and it took several campouts to do this. It seems that the flags in question were made in China and no one would buy them. I found it nice to know that the almighty buck doesn't always win, and that Wal-Mart occasionally learns a lesson.

Sometimes it matters to me if someone is a combat veteran. Not for anything bad, but that they had to put forth the supreme effort and put their life on the line, and should be honored for it. I am not a combat veterean. I am what's known as a Vietnam Era veteran. I'm still proud to be a U.S. Navy veteran though.

God Bless America and our service people everywhere.

Ratman 04-20-2003 06:14 PM

I have a beef with the Army CIB. Those without an infinitry MOS can't wear it. That means those soldiers from the 507th Maint (among others in Iraq) that took and returned fire can't show their experience. This is true for all conflicts, but everytime something like this pops up, I get a little pissed.

Support troops outnumber infintry by about 5:1. Alot of those support soldiers fight just as hard as the ground pounders to keep them supplied with beans and bullets. There should be some kind of recognition, other than a Purple Heart and a Theater Ribbon for those non "11'S" that engage the enemy in a firefight.

uncle phil 04-24-2003 09:15 AM

ok, memorial day is coming up in about a month. do you guys think it holds the same significance as veteran's day? do you think it is considered more worthy of recognition than veteran's day? less?

rockogre 04-24-2003 09:32 AM

Memorial day gets a lot of attention but most of the attention seems to be that people are off for the holiday. Here, in Oklahoma, it marks the start of lake / camping season. Our local lake will be packed with boats and drunken morons.

I usually go to the cemetary on Memorial Day and clean family plots and leave flowers. I see several folks while I am there but then this is a small town.

Veterans day barely gets a nod around here and the company I work for pretty much ignores it which just goes all over me.

Liquor Dealer 04-24-2003 09:44 AM

"Sometimes it matters to me if someone is a combat veteran. Not for anything bad, but that they had to put forth the supreme effort and put their life on the line, and should be honored for it. I am not a combat veterean. I am what's known as a Vietnam Era veteran. I'm still proud to be a U.S. Navy veteran though.

God Bless America and our service people everywhere."

What Rockogre said! Works for me!

paddyjoe 04-24-2003 10:20 AM

To me, Memorial Day holds a bit more significance. To honor all that were killed during times of war also includes in my mind, civilians and people like contract workers that weren't actual military.

Believe me, Veterans Day is not far behind in importance because I am a Vietnam War era veteran and did lose some friends to that debacle. All in my family are veterans of one war or another so I do hold that day in reverance too.

Here's something for you guys to try. Walk through work, or the supermarket, or the park, or even the mall and ask people what their thoughts are on Memorial Day. I'm kinda thinking 7 out of 10 give the big dumb grin and say golly yeah, long weekend! I'm hoping that's not the case, but I sorta doubt it.

Anyhow, here's a couple of links for you to check out:

www.usmemorialday.org
www.va.gov/vetsday/

God Bless America

MikeyChalupa 04-25-2003 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ratman
I have a beef with the Army CIB. Those without an infinitry MOS can't wear it. That means those soldiers from the 507th Maint (among others in Iraq) that took and returned fire can't show their experience. This is true for all conflicts, but everytime something like this pops up, I get a little pissed.

Support troops outnumber infintry by about 5:1. Alot of those support soldiers fight just as hard as the ground pounders to keep them supplied with beans and bullets. There should be some kind of recognition, other than a Purple Heart and a Theater Ribbon for those non "11'S" that engage the enemy in a firefight.

They would qualify for the Combat Action Ribbon, right? I know the few times when I see that on a person, my initial impression of them jumps a few notches. Then again, I'm in the Navy and very few squids (other than SEALs) have those. Usually helo aircrewmen.

-Mikey

Peetster 04-25-2003 06:25 AM

I work in a place populated largely with retured officers. We get a choice between Veterans day and MLK. I've never seen anyone choose MLK day.

Peetster 04-25-2003 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MikeyChalupa
They would qualify for the Combat Action Ribbon, right? I know the few times when I see that on a person, my initial impression of them jumps a few notches. Then again, I'm in the Navy and very few squids (other than SEALs) have those. Usually helo aircrewmen.

-Mikey

Correct. I was a helo pilot, and proudly wore my CAR.

uncle phil 04-30-2003 01:32 PM

bump...

apetaster 04-30-2003 04:18 PM

I was not in the service, and hope you don't mind my intrusion on this thread, but thanks to all of you who served the US. Civilians don't say it often enough, especially in peacetime - not just when it is in vogue. So thanks.

uncle phil 04-30-2003 04:24 PM

thank you, apetaster...

George W Bush 04-30-2003 06:07 PM

Im with apetaster I didnt want intrude, but thank each one of the verterans that helped make this country (the US) what it is. Thank you. I'd salute you if I had earn the right, so my hat is off to you.

uncle phil what does bump mean?

uncle phil 04-30-2003 06:18 PM

g-dub, when a thread gets buried two or three pages and you want to revitalize it, all you have to do is enter a comment, like "bump," and it comes back to the top of the first page...

PataQ 04-30-2003 06:29 PM

that stays between me and these 4 walls

Maveric 05-01-2003 05:14 AM

i guess you can add me to the list :)

i came across this quote recently and it got me thinking a little about the Iraq War...
Quote:

It took longer for Janet Reno to take over the Branch Davidians in Waco than it did our guys to take over Iraq. - John Layfield, aka Bradshaw, of World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc. fame

paddyjoe 05-05-2003 07:55 AM

I guess that proves Janet Reno doesn't know what the fuck she's doing.
No suprise there.

rockogre 05-08-2003 08:09 AM

Janet Reno, she really cracks me up. How clueless can someone be and still breath?

And a bump.

uncle phil 05-23-2003 05:32 PM

bump...for memorial day...

Maveric 05-24-2003 01:45 PM

it's kinda funny. I come from a military background family, so that was a major influence on me. I joined at the age of 17 while I was a sophmore in highschool, and this was the time of the Persian Gulf War. Only problem was, they wouldn't let me go overseas until I graduated highschool.

By that time The Gulf War was over and Clinton soon took over. Military morale was at an all time low because he didn't support the miltary. He forced a "downsizing" of the military and was even offering money to troops if they decided to leave/ quit the service early. I remember one particular incident when some Marines greeted President Clinton and as he passed by they did an about face and turned their back on him, fuckin' halarious...

Kllr Wolf 05-24-2003 01:55 PM

I have to agree that people have lost the meaning of Vetrans and Memorial day. I am currently in the Navy, and the town I am currently in is arround just because of the base, but the only mention off of base about memorial day is the sales signs. It really pisses me off.

crfpilot 05-24-2003 06:00 PM

I think you're correct paddyjoe, people around here think river for Memorial day I don't even think some of the people I work with know why they have the day off. I'm working Monday because it's my year to do so, but I will still take some time to remember all my fallen brothers (and sisters).

Semper Fidelis
John
USMC 92-00

mrsandman 05-24-2003 09:10 PM

I've never heard it mentioned anywhere that a Korean made vehicle called "KIA" isn't noteworthy or ironic.

komodo 05-24-2003 11:15 PM

Well, damn. Now I can't NOT think about what the hell "KIA" is supposed to mean, especially since it's spelled in all caps...

And to all you men and women out there in the armed forces... my hat is off to all of you. I may not agree with what the military does and where they do it, but I sure as hell can see why it exists, and why you all deserve every second of Memorial Day and Veteran's Day and more. Keep fighting the good fight.

Kllr Wolf 05-26-2003 10:35 AM

I just saw a Home Depot commercial the only thing it mentioned about this weekend was to go into their stores and get your home improvement stuff so you can make the most of the three day weekend. To me that is more fucked up than anything especially when they say they support our troops.

i8one2 05-26-2003 08:39 PM

How pathetic! Most of the stores were open, including mine! although my boss and I are vets..We have to be because we are mom and pop. But Seeing the people out there shopping and not even getting the fact that nearly one million soldiers have died to protect this country just sucks! What really made me thing for a few moments is that a Mexican owned business was on of the few in my neighborhood that was indeed closed for the right reasons and said so on his doors..HATS OFF TO HIM..and he will be getting even more business from me now!

Lebell 05-26-2003 09:20 PM

(Some of us remember.)

Thank You Veterans!!

rockogre 05-29-2003 05:16 AM

This seems like a good place to post the fact that today is Bob Hopes 100th birthday. He spent many days, weeks, and months doing what he could to help our military folks forget their troubles for a little while. Many of us love him for what he did.

Take a moment to remember this unique man.

Sun Tzu 05-29-2003 08:23 AM

What's the funnest weapon you shot while in the service?

For me; I would say a Howitzer, but theres nothing special about pulling a cord other than the power you know is behind it.

It would be between 50 cal and M203 for me.

Does anyone know if theres any truth that the AK in AK47 stood for American Killer?

rockogre 05-29-2003 08:43 AM

I got to shoot the dual, deck mounted, foot triggered, 20 millimeter machine guns one day on our ship. Barrells were thrown over the side and we had target practice.

YEEEEEEEEHHHHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

(I think that they were 20 MM. Heck, I was an electrician.)

uncle phil 05-29-2003 01:34 PM

every once in a while we would go up over nha trang in an HH3-E (i believe that was the helicopter that ARRS squadrons used) and shoot at sharks off hon tre (sp?) island with AR-15s...it was a rush sometimes...

ganon 05-29-2003 02:38 PM

I only got to fire the good ole m-16. but it was still cool.

yabobo 05-29-2003 04:27 PM

Military Rules for the Non-Military Personnel

Dear Civilians, We know that the current state of affairs in our great nation have many civilians up in arms and excited to join the military.
For those of you who can't join, you can still lend a hand. Here are a few of the areas we would like your assistance:

1) The next time you see an adult talking (or wearing a hat) during the playing of the National Anthem... kick their ass.

2) When you witness firsthand someone burning the American Flag in protest... kick their ass.

3) Regardless of the rank they held while they served, pay the highest amount of respect to all veterans. If you see anyone doing otherwise, quietly pull them aside and explain how these Veterans fought for the very freedom they bask in every second. Enlighten them on the many
sacrifices these Veterans made to make this Nation great. Then hold them down while a Disabled Veteran kicks their ass.

4) If you were never in the military, DO NOT pretend that you were. Wearing camouflage, telling others that you used to be "Special Forces," and collecting GI Joe memorabilia, might have been okay if you were still seven. Now, it will only make you look stupid and get your ass kicked.

5) Next time you come across an Air Force member, do not ask them, "Do you fly a jet?" Not everyone in the Air Force is a pilot. Such ignorance deserves an ass kicking (children are exempt).

6) If you witness someone calling the U.S. Coast Guard nonmilitary, inform them of their mistake... and kick their ass.

7) Roseanne Barr's singing of the National Anthem is not a blooper...it was a disgrace and disrespectful. Laugh, and sooner or later your
ass will be kicke! d.
8) Next time Old Glory goes by during a parade, get on your damn feet and pay homage to her by placing your hand ov! er your heart. Quietly thank
the military member or veteran lucky enough to be carrying her... of course, failure to do either of those could earn you a severe ass kicking.

9) What Jane Fonda did during the Vietnam War makes her the enemy. Just mention her nomination for "Woman of the Year" and get your ass kicked.
10) Don't try to discuss politics with a military member or a veteran. We are Americans and we all bleed the same regardless of our party affiliation. The President is our Commander in Chief regardless of political party. We have no inside track on what happens inside those big important
buildings where all those representatives meet. All we know is that when those civilian representatives screw up the situation, they call upon the military to go straighten it out. The military member might direct you to Oliver North. (I can see him kicking your ass already.)

11) "Your mama wears combat boots" never made sense to me. If she did, she would most likely be a vet and, therefore, could kick your ass!

12) Bin Laden and the Taliban are not communists, so stop saying "Let's go kill those Commie's!!!" And stop asking us where he is!!!! Crystal balls are not standard issue in the military. That reminds me ... if you see anyone calling those damn psychic phone numbers; let me know, so I can go kick their ass.

13) Flyboy (Air Force), Jar Head (Marines), Grunt (Army), Squid (Navy), etc., are terms of endearment we use describing each other. Unless you are a service member or vet, you have not earned the right to use them. Doing so will get your ass kicked.

14) Last but not least, whether or not you become a member of the military, support our troops and their families. Every Thanksgiving and religious holiday that you enjoy with family and friends, please remember that there are literally thousands of sailors and troops far from home wishing they could be with their families. Thank God for our military and the sacrifices they make every day. Without them, our country wou! ld get i ts ass kicked.

- "It is the soldier, not the reporter w! ho has g iven us the freedom of the press.

- It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.

- It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.

- It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."

(Authored by:) Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, Sergeant, USMC (Please pass this on so I won't have to kick your ass!)



I know this letter has a defect but the point still holds true
for me. Proud veteran of 12+ years service.

uncle phil 05-29-2003 04:33 PM

i'm not a big ollie north fan, but my comments, if i make any, will probably go on the politics thread...anyhow, great post yabobo...

Kllr Wolf 05-29-2003 05:04 PM

I like it. I will definatly pass it on yabobo

paddyjoe 05-29-2003 05:05 PM

Hey Rock, fine call on Bob Hope's birthday. He brought a lot of joy to millions of service people when they really needed it. Thought I'd post this, especially to stay on yabobo's good side.

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mrsandman 05-29-2003 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by komodo
Well, damn. Now I can't NOT think about what the hell "KIA" is supposed to mean, especially since it's spelled in all caps...


If you're saying you don't know what KIA means...well...

" Killed In Action "

rockogre 05-30-2003 05:00 AM

Great posts yabobo and paddyjoe. Old Bob really gave it all he had and he would have agreed with every one of yabobos points.

3leggedfrog 06-07-2003 11:43 PM

hey this is a bump by a vet.

debaser 06-08-2003 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ratman
I have a beef with the Army CIB. Those without an infinitry MOS can't wear it. That means those soldiers from the 507th Maint (among others in Iraq) that took and returned fire can't show their experience. This is true for all conflicts, but everytime something like this pops up, I get a little pissed.

Support troops outnumber infintry by about 5:1. Alot of those support soldiers fight just as hard as the ground pounders to keep them supplied with beans and bullets. There should be some kind of recognition, other than a Purple Heart and a Theater Ribbon for those non "11'S" that engage the enemy in a firefight.

Actually non "11's" can wear the CIB. 19 and 13 series can wear the badge if attached to an infantry unit during a conflict. I think engineers can also, but I am not sure about that one. Of course that still leaves all the CSS guys shit out of luck...

debaser 06-08-2003 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sun Tzu
What's the funnest weapon you shot while in the service?

For me; I would say a Howitzer, but theres nothing special about pulling a cord other than the power you know is behind it.

It would be between 50 cal and M203 for me.

Does anyone know if theres any truth that the AK in AK47 stood for American Killer?

AK stands for Automat Kalishnikova. The year of design was 1947.


As much as I love my M-242, I would have to say that the weapon I have had the most fun firing is the Mk. 19.

yabobo 06-08-2003 08:17 AM

bump

3leggedfrog 06-08-2003 02:04 PM

hey you guys here about the oicw. that new gun that the US army might put into service in 2011?

Sparhawk 06-08-2003 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 3leggedfrog
hey you guys here about the oicw. that new gun that the US army might put into service in 2011?
Yeah, it looks even more plastic and toy-like than the m16. Isn't it already in field tests?

Oh yes, and I thought it was totally approriate for it to rain on veteran's day and memorial day over at arlington, like God was shedding tears for those who gave everything for us. Was there for veteran's day, and caught the wreath laying for memorial day on TV.

Favorite moment at arlington: The biker vet with the JANE FONDA: TRAITOR BITCH patch on his jacket. Good on ya!

i8one2 06-08-2003 08:42 PM

This weekend, I was walking home with galaxygirl having just finished a short walk from the grocery-store and DunkinDonuts. We were chatting and almost home when a obvious homeless person approached us and asked for some money to get some coffee. without even thinking about it, I handed him our 3/4 full cup of ice coffee and continued on our way. this man was shocked and blessed us several times. I now do this anytime. If I have something handy, food or beverage..to give it to a street/homeless person.

WHY! because when I was living at the NewEnglandShelter for homeless veterans, one fact stuck with me and I saw first hand. A great deal of our nations homeless have been veterans! And anyone one of them could be a brother. If they are too messed up or very obnoxious I will stay out of there way..However if they are even the slightest bit near normal and not intrusive to my space..I will help anyone of them the best I can at that moment..

Because there for the grace of god go I..

Xiomar 06-09-2003 01:08 AM

Guys... All I have to say is... Thanks. We luv ya.

rockogre 06-20-2003 04:51 AM

On The Flip Side of Hollywood

In contrast to the ideals, opinions and feelings of today's "Hollywonk" The real actors of yester-year loved the United States. They had both class and integrity. With the advent of World War many of our actors went to fight rather than stand and rant against this country we all love. They gave up their wealth, position and fame to become service men & women, many as simple "enlisted men". This page lists but a few, but from this group of only 18 men came over 70 medals in honor of their valor, spanning from Bronze Stars, Silver Stars, Distinguish Service Cross', Purple Hearts and one Congressional Medal of Honor. So remember; while the "Entertainers of 2003" have been in all of the news media lately (for it seems News Paper, Television and Radio has been more than ready to put them and their anti-American, anti-Bush message before the public) I would like to remind the people of what the entertainers of 1943 were doing, (60 years ago). Most of these brave men have since passed on.

Real Hollywood Heroes

Alec Guinness (Star Wars) operated a British Royal Navy landing craft
on D-Day.

James Doohan ("Scotty" on Star Trek) landed in Normandy with the U. S. Army on D-Day.

Donald Pleasance (The Great Escape) really was an R. A. F. pilot who
was shot down, held prisoner and tortured by the Germans.

David Niven was a Sandhurst graduate and Lt. Colonel of the British
Commandos in Normandy.

James Stewart Entered the Army Air Force as a private and worked his
way to the rank of Colonel. During World War II, Stewart served as a bomber pilot, his service record crediting him with leading more than 20 missions over Germany, and taking part in hundreds of air strikes during his tour of duty. Stewart earned the Air Medal, the Distinguished Flying Cross, France's Croix de Guerre, and 7 Battle Stars during World War II. In peace time, Stewart continued to be an active member of the Air Force as a reservist, reaching the rank of Brigadier General before retiring in the late 1950s.

Clark Gable (Mega-Movie Star when war broke out) Although he was beyond
The draft age at the time the U.S. entered WW II, Clark Gable enlisted as a private in the AAF on Aug. 12, 1942 at Los Angeles. He attended the Officers' Candidate School at Miami Beach, Fla. and graduated as a
second lieutenant on Oct. 28, 1942. He then attended aerial gunnery school and in Feb. 1943 he was assigned to the 351st Bomb Group at Polebrook where he flew operational missions over Europe in B-17s. Captain Gable returned to the U.S. in Oct. 1943 and was relieved from active duty as a major on June 12,1944 at his own request, since he was over-age for combat. Charlton Heston was an Army Air Corps Sergeant in Kodiak.

Earnest Borgnine was a U. S. Navy Gunners Mate 1935-1945.

Charles Durning was a U. S. Army Ranger at Normandy earning a Silver Star and awarded the Purple Heart.


Charles Bronson was a tail gunner in the Army Air Corps, more
specifically
on B-29s in the 20th Air Force out of Guam, Tinian, and Saipan

George C. Scott was a decorated U. S. Marine.

Eddie Albert (Green Acres TV) was awarded a Bronze Star for his heroic
action as a U. S. Naval officer aiding Marines at the horrific battle
on the island of Tarawa in the Pacific Nov. 1943.

Brian Keith served as a U.S. Marine rear gunner in several actions
against the Japanese on Rabal in the Pacific.

Lee Marvin was a U.S. Marine on Saipan during the Marianas campaign
when he was wounded earning the Purple Heart.

John Russell: In 1942, he enlisted in the Marine Corps where he
received a battlefield commission and was wounded and highly decorated for valor at Guadalcanal.

Robert Ryan was a U. S. Marine who served with the O. S. S. in
Yugoslavia.

Tyrone Power (an established movie star when Pearl Harbor was bombed)
joined the U.S. Marines, was a pilot flying supplies into, and wounded
Marines out of, Iwo Jima and Okinawa.

Audie Murphy, little 5'5" tall 110 pound guy from Texas who played
cowboy parts? Most Decorated serviceman of WWII and earned: Medal of Honor, Distinguished Service Cross, 2 Silver Star Medals, Legion of Merit, 2 Bronze Star Medals with "V", 2 Purple Hearts, U.S. Army Outstanding Civilian Service Medal, Good Conduct Medal, 2 Distinguished Unit Emblems, American Campaign Medal, European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal with One Silver Star, Four Bronze Service Stars (representing nine campaigns) and one Bronze Arrowhead (representing assault landing at Sicily and Southern France) World War II Victory Medal Army of Occupation Medal with Germany Clasp, Armed Forces Reserve Medal, Combat Infantry Badge, Marksman Badge with Rifle Bar, Expert Badge with Bayonet Bar, French Fourragere in Colors of the Croix de Guerre, French Legion of Honor, Grade of Chevalier, French Croix de Guerre With Silver Star, French Croix de Guerre with Palm, Medal of Liberated France, Belgian Croix de Guerre 1940 Palm.





So how do you feel the real heroes of the silver screen acted when
Compared to the hollywonks today who spray out anti-American drivel as they bite the hand that feeds them? Can you imagine these stars of yester-year saying they hate our flag, making anti-war speeches, marching in anti-American parades and saying they hate our president? I thought not, neither did I!

MikeyChalupa 06-20-2003 05:14 AM

Lee Marvin was shot in the ass during the war. He is buried in Arlington National Cemetary.

-Mikey

Liquor Dealer 06-20-2003 12:16 PM

Thought you guys might appreciate this:

A soldier, a sailor, an airman, and a Marine got into an argument about which service was the best. The arguing became so heated the four servicemen failed to see an oncoming truck. They were run over by the truck and killed instantly. Soon the four servicemen found themselves at the Pearly Gates of Heaven. There they met Saint Peter and decided that only he could be the ultimate source of truth and honesty. So, the four servicemen asked him, "Saint Peter, which branch of the United States Armed Forces is the best?"

Saint Peter replied, "I can't answer that. However, I will ask God what He thinks the next time I see Him. Meanwhile, thank you for your service on earth and welcome to Heaven."

Some time later, the four servicemen see Saint Peter and remind him of the question they had asked when first entering heaven. The four servicemen asked Saint Peter if he was able to find the answer. Suddenly, a sparkling white dove lands on Saint Peter's shoulder. In the dove's beak is a note glistening with gold dust. Saint Peter says to the four servicemen, "Your answer from the Boss. Let's see what he says." Saint Peter opens the note, trumpets blare, gold dust drifts into the air, harps play crescendos, and Saint Peter begins to read the note aloud to the four servicemen:


************************************************************************






MEMORANDUM FROM THE DESK OF THE ALMIGHTY ONE
TO: Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines.



Gentlemen, all branches of the United States Armed Forces are honorable and noble. Each serves America well and with distinction. Being a serviceman in the United States Military represents a special calling warranting special respect, tribute, and dedication. Be proud of that!

Sincerely,
GOD, USMC (Ret)

rockogre 06-20-2003 12:21 PM

Excellent answer, and this coming from a squid.

uncle phil 06-20-2003 12:26 PM

that's great, ld...

paddyjoe 06-20-2003 01:10 PM

Good job, bro. I thought for sure you'd manipulate that ending.

Sparhawk 06-20-2003 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Liquor Dealer
MEMORANDUM FROM THE DESK OF THE ALMIGHTY ONE
TO: Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines.



Gentlemen, all branches of the United States Armed Forces are honorable and noble. Each serves America well and with distinction. Being a serviceman in the United States Military represents a special calling warranting special respect, tribute, and dedication. Be proud of that!

Sincerely,
GOD, USAF[sic] (Ret)

That's what my copy of the memo says.

Liquor Dealer 06-20-2003 05:53 PM

I can assure you that I didn't change a thing in it from the way I got it - If I had it would have read:



MEMORANDUM FROM THE DESK OF THE ALMIGHTY ONE
TO: Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines.



Gentlemen, all branches of the United States Armed Forces are honorable and noble. Each serves America well and with distinction. Being a serviceman in the United States Military represents a special calling warranting special respect, tribute, and dedication. Be proud of that!

Sincerely,
GOD, Adm. USN (Ret) [/B][/QUOTE]

P.S. Wasn't this what the guys were arguing about when they were hit by the trucK?

uncle phil 07-01-2003 03:54 AM

bump for the 4th...

Sparhawk 07-01-2003 05:20 AM

I don't think God would necessarily be an officer. I'm thinking maybe an E-9 (Sergeant Major, Master Chief, Chief Master Sergeant)

*grin*

rockogre 07-28-2003 09:42 AM

It saddened me to hear of the passing of Bob Hope and I think that it is only fitting that he be mentioned in this thread today.

Bob was one of us in every sense of the word. He did all he could to lighten, if just for a short while, the loneliness, pain, and suffering of thousands of US Service men and women.

It was mentioned by one of the news agencies that he was afraid of flying yet he flew all over the world because he thought more of others than himself.

Unless I am mistaken, that is the true mark of hero.

A shining light has gone out of the world today. Take a moment to remember this wonderful man.

You may have never seen him yet he thought about you!

uncle phil 07-28-2003 11:51 AM

I saw him in nam in '67 and '68...the man was an entertainer (raquel welch wasn't bad, either...) He will be missed...

rooster 08-03-2003 09:10 AM

i am a vetran of that very unpopular war call vietnam,and was a 13alpha10 are better known as artillary and never seen anything funny about it and i bet the reciever of the projectile didnt either


redleg for ever.

Speed_Gibson 08-03-2003 11:21 AM

served for four years in the USN and transferred probably millions of gallons of DFM (diesel fuel marine) in that time; also cleaned up more fuel than I care to recall from a berthing or elevator room. You know it is a bad sign when you never need to run a fuel spill cleanup drill because the real thing happens often enough.

MikeyChalupa 08-04-2003 08:55 AM

You didn't happen to be on the Kennedy, did you? I was on that ship for only 45 days and there were like 5 fuel spills and some lube oil leaks. And every time we conrepped elevator 1's machinery room would catch fire.

-Mikey

Sparhawk 12-19-2003 10:13 AM

12 DoD Days of Christmas
 
Y'all might have seen this floating around, you might not...

The President has authorized the Department of Defense to assist Santa with the Twelve Days of Christmas. Status of acquisitions follows:

Day 1- Partridge in a pear tree: The Army and Air Force are in the process of deciding whose area of responsibility Day 1 falls under. Since the partridge is a bird, the Air Force believes it should have the lead. The Army, however, feels trees are part of the land component command's area of responsibility. After three months of discussion and repeated OpsDeps tank sessions, a $1M study has been commissioned to decide who should lead this
joint program.

Day 2 - Two turtle doves: Since doves are birds, the Air Force claims responsibility. However, turtles are amphibious, so the Navy-Marine Corps team feels it should take the lead. Initial studies have shown that turtles and doves may have interoperability problems. Terms of refererence are being coordinated for a four-year, $10M DARPA study.

Day 3 - Three French Hens: At State Department instigation, the Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs has blocked off-shore purchase of hens, from the French or anyone else. A $6M program is being developed to find an acceptable domestic alternative.

Day 4 - Four Calling Birds: Source selection has been completed, with the contract awarded to AT&T. However, the award is being challenged by a small disadvantaged business.

Day 5 - Five Golden Rings: No available rings meet MILSPEC for gold plating. A three-year, $5M accelerated development program has been initiated.

Day 6 - Six Geese a-Laying: The six geese have been acquired. However, the shells of their eggs seem to be very fragile. It might have been a mistake to build the production facility on a nuclear waste dump at former Air Force base that was closed under BRAC.

Day 7 - Seven Swans a-Swimming: Fourteen swans have been killed trying to get through the Navy SEAL training program. The program has been put on hold while the training procedures are reviewed to determine why the washout rate is so high.

Day 8 - Eight Maids a-Milking: The entire class of maids a milking training program at Aberdeen is involved in a sexual harassment suit against the Army. The program has been put on hold pending resolution of the lawsuit.

Day 9 - Nine Ladies Dancing: Recruitment of the ladies dancing has been halted by a lawsuit from the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell Association." Members claim they have a right to dance and wear women's clothing as long as they're off duty.

Day 10 - Ten Lords a-Leaping: The ten lords have been abducted by terrorists. Congress has approved $2M in funding to conduct a rescue operation. Army Special Forces and a USMC MEU(SOC) are conducting a "NEO-off" competition for the right to rescue.

Day 11 - Eleven Pipers Piping: The pipe contractor delivered the pipes on time. However, he thought DoD wanted smoking pipes. DoD lost the claim due to defective specifications. A $22M dollar retrofit program is in process to bring the pipes into spec.

Day 12 - Twelve Drummers Drumming: Due to cutbacks only six billets are available for drumming drummers. DoD is in the process of coordinating an RFP to obtain the six additional drummers by outsourcing; however, funds will not be available until FY 05.

As a result of the above-mentioned programmatic delays, and due to a high OPTEMPO that requires diversion of modernization funds to support current readiness, Christmas is hereby postponed until further notice.

Merry Christmas, especially to our boys and girls operating OS, be it Iraq or elsewhere. My thoughts are with you this special time of year

rockogre 03-19-2004 05:49 AM

About time to bump this up.

uncle phil 05-28-2004 05:39 PM

bump..

Cynthetiq 05-28-2004 05:41 PM

Mikey Chalupa, ZeroCool....

we're thinking about you today.....

the rest of you who went out the like SpiVed....

thank you.

Those that are gearing up to go... I've got your back out here. I'll welcome you with open arms and give you a hug and say thank you.

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...69#post1192669

fnaqzna 05-28-2004 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yabobo
Military Rules for the Non-Military Personnel

Dear Civilians, We know that the current state of affairs in our great nation have many civilians up in arms and excited to join the military.
For those of you who can't join, you can still lend a hand. Here are a few of the areas we would like your assistance:

1) The next time you see an adult talking (or wearing a hat) during the playing of the National Anthem... kick their ass.

2) When you witness firsthand someone burning the American Flag in protest... kick their ass.

3) Regardless of the rank they held while they served, pay the highest amount of respect to all veterans. If you see anyone doing otherwise, quietly pull them aside and explain how these Veterans fought for the very freedom they bask in every second. Enlighten them on the many
sacrifices these Veterans made to make this Nation great. Then hold them down while a Disabled Veteran kicks their ass.

4) If you were never in the military, DO NOT pretend that you were. Wearing camouflage, telling others that you used to be "Special Forces," and collecting GI Joe memorabilia, might have been okay if you were still seven. Now, it will only make you look stupid and get your ass kicked.

5) Next time you come across an Air Force member, do not ask them, "Do you fly a jet?" Not everyone in the Air Force is a pilot. Such ignorance deserves an ass kicking (children are exempt).

6) If you witness someone calling the U.S. Coast Guard nonmilitary, inform them of their mistake... and kick their ass.

7) Roseanne Barr's singing of the National Anthem is not a blooper...it was a disgrace and disrespectful. Laugh, and sooner or later your
ass will be kicke! d.
8) Next time Old Glory goes by during a parade, get on your damn feet and pay homage to her by placing your hand ov! er your heart. Quietly thank
the military member or veteran lucky enough to be carrying her... of course, failure to do either of those could earn you a severe ass kicking.

9) What Jane Fonda did during the Vietnam War makes her the enemy. Just mention her nomination for "Woman of the Year" and get your ass kicked.
10) Don't try to discuss politics with a military member or a veteran. We are Americans and we all bleed the same regardless of our party affiliation. The President is our Commander in Chief regardless of political party. We have no inside track on what happens inside those big important
buildings where all those representatives meet. All we know is that when those civilian representatives screw up the situation, they call upon the military to go straighten it out. The military member might direct you to Oliver North. (I can see him kicking your ass already.)

11) "Your mama wears combat boots" never made sense to me. If she did, she would most likely be a vet and, therefore, could kick your ass!

12) Bin Laden and the Taliban are not communists, so stop saying "Let's go kill those Commie's!!!" And stop asking us where he is!!!! Crystal balls are not standard issue in the military. That reminds me ... if you see anyone calling those damn psychic phone numbers; let me know, so I can go kick their ass.

13) Flyboy (Air Force), Jar Head (Marines), Grunt (Army), Squid (Navy), etc., are terms of endearment we use describing each other. Unless you are a service member or vet, you have not earned the right to use them. Doing so will get your ass kicked.

14) Last but not least, whether or not you become a member of the military, support our troops and their families. Every Thanksgiving and religious holiday that you enjoy with family and friends, please remember that there are literally thousands of sailors and troops far from home wishing they could be with their families. Thank God for our military and the sacrifices they make every day. Without them, our country wou! ld get i ts ass kicked.

- "It is the soldier, not the reporter w! ho has g iven us the freedom of the press.

- It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.

- It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.

- It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."

(Authored by:) Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, Sergeant, USMC (Please pass this on so I won't have to kick your ass!)



I know this letter has a defect but the point still holds true
for me. Proud veteran of 12+ years service.


This veteran supports your right to be an ass during the National Anthem.

This veteran supports your right to burn a flag in protest.

This veteran thinks that some uniform items look okay mixed with civilian attire. This veteran thinks that if you cannot wear the uniform proudly, you should get out of the service.

This veteran thought Rosanne Barr's singing was funny, but not nearly as entertaining as the aftermath.

This veteran thinks Jane Fonda was wrong. This veteran also thinks that a lot of people do very stupid things when they are young. Get over it.

This veteran never liked the term, "squid." No, it is not a term of endearment. We are American Fighting Men. What we call ourselves or each other is between us. If you are a civilian, please don't consider it okay to use these terms.

This veteran thinks Oliver North should be in jail.

There, I said it.

paddyjoe 05-29-2004 04:17 AM

This veteran recognizes the fact that many fought and died so others can write and speak and act on the words you have shown us here.

Cheers to you fnaqzna

Please, everybody be safe this holiday weekend. If you have one too many at the BBQ, call a cab. It'll be worth it.

Cheers to you all. :thumbsup:

reconmike 05-29-2004 08:04 AM

This veteran believes that these men would not allow anyone to burn a flag.http://www.americanfamilytraditions....ry_NR3_WEB.jpg

This veteran believes in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

This veteran believes that freedom has a flavor the protected will never taste.

This veteran hates Japanese car sales on memorial day.

So while your out BBQ'ing, chasing those BIG sales stop for a moment and atleast try and pay alittle homage to those who felt so strongly that freedom was worth defending.

uncle phil 05-28-2007 09:35 AM

bump...

Willravel 05-28-2007 09:43 AM

To those that valiantly risk or give their lives in service of this great country, we dedicate this day in humble remembrance. My grandfather was the most fearless man I've ever known. He fought in 3 wars, or 1 war and two 'conflicts', and loved and protected his country, his family, and himself. He was one of the few who fought for the rights of black soldiers long before the term 'equal opportunity' was coined. It was around the time that 'separate but equal' was considered progressive. I'll be visiting his grave site later today to pay my respects.

I look forward to reading the thoughts of our brave men and women in service.

debaser 05-29-2007 08:18 PM

Here's a thought, well a rant really:

Yesterday was Memorial Day, but what does that really mean? I visited the gravesite of friend to pay my respects, and on the way home I got caught in traffic around one of the sprawling malls that are cropping up everywhere nowadays. Some guy cut me off then blessed me with the universal gesture so he could get to Wally World 15 seconds sooner. Got home, went to bed, turned on Larry King. Was he interviewing a service member, or the family of a service member?
No, just a bunch of self indulgent circle jerking with Kimberly Dozier, who was apparently so badly injured she can't even feign sympathy for the soldier and camera crew who died in the blast that brought her so much lens time. I guess I am starting to truely internalize what I have been churning over for a long time:

Americans on the whole don't give a flying fuck about their military.

They could do away with the Department of the Army, and it would still be upstaged by Dancing with the Stars, or whatever other vapid, worthless shit people are using to escape from reality. But why should anyone care? The vast majority has no stake in the current conflict what-so-ever. A vast majority of people in the military come from poor families, and who gives a shit about them, unless they are in front of you in line with one of those uncomfortable "My son is in the Marines" t-shirts on.

I suppose I am being overly critical, most people would probably like to see the war end if for no other reason than lowering this crushing tax burden, Oh wait, that's right, what sort of fantasy world do I live in where we raise taxes to pay for a war?

I woke this morning to see that Cindy Sheehan had quit the anti-war movement. Now I never really liked her. I thought her heart was in the right place, but her actions sometimes crossed the line. She wrote:
Quote:

I have tried ever since he died to make his sacrifice meaningful. Casey died for a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months while Democrats and Republicans play politics with human lives.
Her statement says a lot about how much she finally gets it even though she still doesn't get it. Her son did die for something: He died for his comrades, which is far more noble than any cause some politician could ever come up with. She is dead on about the rest.

Now I'm just rambling. I'll sum up my position in three words: Service despite contempt.


PS if this is inappropriate for this thread I'll start another one.

Willravel 05-29-2007 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by debaser
Americans on the whole don't give a flying fuck about their military.

It's not just the military. Citizens of the USA, on average, are self involved. They prioritize comfort, which you can't blame a dog for but these people have working human brains capable of considering things like the greater good. It's shameful.

One thing I would like to say is that service despite contempt is how a brave and intelligent soldier becomes a cold and unfeeling robot. Being able to say no to the illegal order, be it against US law or one of our many treaties, is an important function in stopping corrupt politicians from using our military to their own ends.

ItWasMe 05-29-2007 10:26 PM

Alot of people don't know what the service pins mean, either. Well, non-military families anyway. Too many times to count, I've been asked what my pin is for. A banner or a pin with a white window and a blue star indicates the person has an immediate family member deployed. It is also known as the star in the window. (some have up to 4 stars, one for each family member deployed)

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...nity_thumb.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...apel_thumb.jpg

A gold star indicates that the soldier was killed. Thankfully, I don't have a need for one of those.

QuasiMondo 05-30-2007 08:52 AM

Had a friend gave me this memorable quote a long time ago:

"America is not at war. The Marine Corps is at war. America is at the mall."

Plan9 06-08-2007 12:20 PM

I just wonder if Iraq / A-stan vets will be brushed under the carpet as badly Vietnam vets.

Time will tell.

uncle phil 06-08-2007 12:27 PM

i'm a vietnam vet and i never really felt that i was "brushed under the carpet." i guess it's a matter of individual perspective.

The Faba 06-10-2007 01:18 AM

<= non vet

I would simply like to say 'Thank you' to all those out there who have had the courage and ability enough to serve us in the military. I didn't realize until my junior year of high school how much our military men mean to our country - as of that period in time, I have tried to show how much our military men mean to us.

The use of sales and commercialization of memorial and veterans day sickens me. To cheapen the great sacrifice of those who have died to serve our country is disgusting, and I encourage the boycott every company that advertises memorial day sales. I feel this way especially with two good friends leaving for Iraq in August.

So to all those whio have served - I truely appreciate what you have done, thank you.

uncle phil 07-03-2007 02:45 AM

bump for the 4th...

warrrreagl 07-03-2007 02:52 AM

The bump is a good idea, UP. My birthday is Veteran's Day, so I've always had a fascination and respect for those in the military. I was too young for Vietnam and too old for Desert Storm, but that doesn't diminish the admiration and gratitude I feel for those who serve.

Thank you humbly, on this upcoming Independence Day, and everyday.

ngdawg 07-04-2007 08:01 AM

http://www.reevesphotographics.com/i...s/PICT0038.jpg

Thank you for your service.

xepherys 07-04-2007 09:09 AM

As for OEF/OIF vets being brushed under the carpet, I can say almost positively that it won't happen. First of all, the Vietnam vets themselves see to that as often as possible. When our planes land in Dallas (or Atlanta for those living on the east coast) when we come home from our tours or even for leave, there are a ton of people there to support us, shake our hands and welcome us home. For many of us it's a bit awkward, but knowing what a lot of them went through with nobody around to care for them when they got home, it puts it into perspective and most of us are very thankful for them.

Secondly, there's a very strong sentiment of supporting soldiers even if you don't support the war. Nearly everyone I've met that knows I'm a soldier, even in passing, has expressed those feelings as well. There's a difference between being against a war and being against fellow Americans who choose to serve their country. I'm glad that many people see that.

For units outbound and inbound from theatre, the Patriot Guard Riders escort us to and from the airport to our home stations. This happens for all National Guard as far as I know, since we fly out of commercial airports. No clue if the regular Army gets the same treatment.

I don't feel that we'll be in the same boat.

ngdawg 07-07-2007 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xepherys
As for OEF/OIF vets being brushed under the carpet, I can say almost positively that it won't happen. First of all, the Vietnam vets themselves see to that as often as possible. When our planes land in Dallas (or Atlanta for those living on the east coast) when we come home from our tours or even for leave, there are a ton of people there to support us, shake our hands and welcome us home. For many of us it's a bit awkward, but knowing what a lot of them went through with nobody around to care for them when they got home, it puts it into perspective and most of us are very thankful for them.

Secondly, there's a very strong sentiment of supporting soldiers even if you don't support the war. Nearly everyone I've met that knows I'm a soldier, even in passing, has expressed those feelings as well. There's a difference between being against a war and being against fellow Americans who choose to serve their country. I'm glad that many people see that.

For units outbound and inbound from theatre, the Patriot Guard Riders escort us to and from the airport to our home stations. This happens for all National Guard as far as I know, since we fly out of commercial airports. No clue if the regular Army gets the same treatment.

I don't feel that we'll be in the same boat.

We'll escort anyone if we're invited. It's a great feeling to be part of welcome homes. Once a PGR state captain is informed of an impending homecoming or send-off, he/she will start the contact process to procure an invite. We've been very warmly received and are often humbled by the thanks we get from the soldiers. It's been an honor.

uncle phil 11-11-2007 03:36 AM

bump for armistice day...

Fast Forward 11-12-2007 12:50 AM

I am a foreign national, RA volunteer veteran of Vietnam. I served with the American forces in II Corps, 1966-67.

I don’t know if it constitutes a “gripe” but I feel that my fellow veterans take the experience too seriously. There’s a pompous attitude that I find very distasteful.

We did it. We were there. As far as the discrimination we experienced afterward – fair enough. I’m with you 100%. No. 1000%. But using the status of veteran as a “get-out-of-jail-free-card”, or “Yeah-I’m-guilty-of-the-crime-but-I’m-a-veteran-so-back-off” or “I-know-more-about-the-war-in-Vietnam-than-anyone-who-wasn’t-there” ……………… well, that’s a load of pathetic BULLSHIT. It's a crutch for people with no character and even less backbone.

Plan9 11-12-2007 06:59 AM

I concur.

Having survived something such as these conflicts we've been through should make you stronger, more able to deal with the crap back home.

Fast Forward 11-13-2007 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crompsin
Having survived something such as these conflicts we've been through should make you stronger, more able to deal with the crap back home.

Amen, brother.

sankudoctair 11-13-2007 06:16 AM

I am not a veteran, so I can not say that I fully understand the times you people have endured.

I will say that I appreciate the freedoms we have because of our veterans.

Thank you.

Plan9 11-13-2007 07:03 AM

"Don't thank me! Thank your recruiter!"

I think I'm doing guard / reserve after college.

My chevrons are getting dusty.

DaveOrion 11-13-2007 12:30 PM

If you'd like to personally thank our brave servicemen, Xerox is once again sponsoring a site where you can send a postcard to military personnel stationed overseas, to show your support & appreciation for their service to our country.

http://www.letssaythanks.com/Home1024.html

Plan9 11-13-2007 06:02 PM

Send baby wipes, caffeine pills, and porno.

uelansh 11-13-2007 06:31 PM

Crompsin is that all I'm going to need? lol

I'm leaving for Afghan next month. I'm excited, the nervousness hasn't set in yet.

Plan9 11-13-2007 09:32 PM

What MOS / unit?

Fast Forward 11-14-2007 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sankudoctair
I am not a veteran, so I can not say that I fully understand the times you people have endured.

I will say that I appreciate the freedoms we have because of our veterans.

Thank you.

It was very nice of you to say that. But because you were so nice it makes it difficult for me to say something that I must say.

We, who fought in Vietnam, didn’t do anything to secure freedom for anyone. I think we (as a whole, but certainly not individualy) put freedom back a couple of decades more than anything else.

We proved that a foreign military force could invade another country against its’ own majority wishes and deprive those people of their own freedom while doing nothing for the good of the American population either, other than to boost the income of the already rich american businessmen.

The average American citizen however, gained nothing from the war. As a matter of fact those guys (us) were put into a dangerous situation and cost many thousands of our lives not to mention how many Vietnamese perished. Lord only knows that.

…. and what happened to us, who survived, is another terrible story. The end of which is not yet come. We got fucked. Royally fucked.

But that doesn't diminish the value of your appreciation. Thank you very much for saying it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crompsin
Send baby wipes, caffeine pills, and porno.

You're even more of a realists than I am, Crompsin. :) How is it that you've escaped the "warning percentage scale" while I'm already well on my way to hitting the half-way mark? :oogle:

Plan9 11-14-2007 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Forward
You're even more of a realists than I am, Crompsin. :) How is it that you've escaped the "warning percentage scale" while I'm already well on my way to hitting the half-way mark? :oogle:

Only because you can't see my warning scale. :thumbsup:

Your perspective on Vietnam is my perspective on the GWoT.

The more things change, bro...


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