Kllr Wolf

I like it. I will definatly pass it on yabobo

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paddyjoe

Hey Rock, fine call on Bob Hope's birthday. He brought a lot of joy to millions of service people when they really needed it. Thought I'd post this, especially to stay on yabobo's good side.

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mrsandman

If you're saying you don't know what KIA means...well...

" Killed In Action "

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rockogre

Great posts yabobo and paddyjoe. Old Bob really gave it all he had and he would have agreed with every one of yabobos points.

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Jesus Christ and the American G. I.
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3leggedfrog

hey this is a bump by a vet.

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"Iam myself every day."

debaser

Actually non "11's" can wear the CIB. 19 and 13 series can wear the badge if attached to an infantry unit during a conflict. I think engineers can also, but I am not sure about that one. Of course that still leaves all the CSS guys shit out of luck...

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debaser

AK stands for Automat Kalishnikova. The year of design was 1947.


As much as I love my M-242, I would have to say that the weapon I have had the most fun firing is the Mk. 19.

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yabobo

bump

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Only in America......do we use the word 'politics' to describe the process so well: 'Poli' in Latin meaning 'many' and 'tics' meaning 'bloodsucking creatures'.

3leggedfrog

hey you guys here about the oicw. that new gun that the US army might put into service in 2011?

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"enjoy life to the brim but do not spill it" quoted off my tatoo

"Iam myself every day."

Sparhawk

Yeah, it looks even more plastic and toy-like than the m16. Isn't it already in field tests?

Oh yes, and I thought it was totally approriate for it to rain on veteran's day and memorial day over at arlington, like God was shedding tears for those who gave everything for us. Was there for veteran's day, and caught the wreath laying for memorial day on TV.

Favorite moment at arlington: The biker vet with the JANE FONDA: TRAITOR BITCH patch on his jacket. Good on ya!

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i8one2

This weekend, I was walking home with galaxygirl having just finished a short walk from the grocery-store and DunkinDonuts. We were chatting and almost home when a obvious homeless person approached us and asked for some money to get some coffee. without even thinking about it, I handed him our 3/4 full cup of ice coffee and continued on our way. this man was shocked and blessed us several times. I now do this anytime. If I have something handy, food or beverage..to give it to a street/homeless person.

WHY! because when I was living at the NewEnglandShelter for homeless veterans, one fact stuck with me and I saw first hand. A great deal of our nations homeless have been veterans! And anyone one of them could be a brother. If they are too messed up or very obnoxious I will stay out of there way..However if they are even the slightest bit near normal and not intrusive to my space..I will help anyone of them the best I can at that moment..

Because there for the grace of god go I..

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Xiomar

Guys... All I have to say is... Thanks. We luv ya.

rockogre

On The Flip Side of Hollywood

In contrast to the ideals, opinions and feelings of today's "Hollywonk" The real actors of yester-year loved the United States. They had both class and integrity. With the advent of World War many of our actors went to fight rather than stand and rant against this country we all love. They gave up their wealth, position and fame to become service men & women, many as simple "enlisted men". This page lists but a few, but from this group of only 18 men came over 70 medals in honor of their valor, spanning from Bronze Stars, Silver Stars, Distinguish Service Cross', Purple Hearts and one Congressional Medal of Honor. So remember; while the "Entertainers of 2003" have been in all of the news media lately (for it seems News Paper, Television and Radio has been more than ready to put them and their anti-American, anti-Bush message before the public) I would like to remind the people of what the entertainers of 1943 were doing, (60 years ago). Most of these brave men have since passed on.

Real Hollywood Heroes

Alec Guinness (Star Wars) operated a British Royal Navy landing craft
on D-Day.

James Doohan ("Scotty" on Star Trek) landed in Normandy with the U. S. Army on D-Day.

Donald Pleasance (The Great Escape) really was an R. A. F. pilot who
was shot down, held prisoner and tortured by the Germans.

David Niven was a Sandhurst graduate and Lt. Colonel of the British
Commandos in Normandy.

James Stewart Entered the Army Air Force as a private and worked his
way to the rank of Colonel. During World War II, Stewart served as a bomber pilot, his service record crediting him with leading more than 20 missions over Germany, and taking part in hundreds of air strikes during his tour of duty. Stewart earned the Air Medal, the Distinguished Flying Cross, France's Croix de Guerre, and 7 Battle Stars during World War II. In peace time, Stewart continued to be an active member of the Air Force as a reservist, reaching the rank of Brigadier General before retiring in the late 1950s.

Clark Gable (Mega-Movie Star when war broke out) Although he was beyond
The draft age at the time the U.S. entered WW II, Clark Gable enlisted as a private in the AAF on Aug. 12, 1942 at Los Angeles. He attended the Officers' Candidate School at Miami Beach, Fla. and graduated as a
second lieutenant on Oct. 28, 1942. He then attended aerial gunnery school and in Feb. 1943 he was assigned to the 351st Bomb Group at Polebrook where he flew operational missions over Europe in B-17s. Captain Gable returned to the U.S. in Oct. 1943 and was relieved from active duty as a major on June 12,1944 at his own request, since he was over-age for combat. Charlton Heston was an Army Air Corps Sergeant in Kodiak.

Earnest Borgnine was a U. S. Navy Gunners Mate 1935-1945.

Charles Durning was a U. S. Army Ranger at Normandy earning a Silver Star and awarded the Purple Heart.


Charles Bronson was a tail gunner in the Army Air Corps, more
specifically
on B-29s in the 20th Air Force out of Guam, Tinian, and Saipan

George C. Scott was a decorated U. S. Marine.

Eddie Albert (Green Acres TV) was awarded a Bronze Star for his heroic
action as a U. S. Naval officer aiding Marines at the horrific battle
on the island of Tarawa in the Pacific Nov. 1943.

Brian Keith served as a U.S. Marine rear gunner in several actions
against the Japanese on Rabal in the Pacific.

Lee Marvin was a U.S. Marine on Saipan during the Marianas campaign
when he was wounded earning the Purple Heart.

John Russell: In 1942, he enlisted in the Marine Corps where he
received a battlefield commission and was wounded and highly decorated for valor at Guadalcanal.

Robert Ryan was a U. S. Marine who served with the O. S. S. in
Yugoslavia.

Tyrone Power (an established movie star when Pearl Harbor was bombed)
joined the U.S. Marines, was a pilot flying supplies into, and wounded
Marines out of, Iwo Jima and Okinawa.

Audie Murphy, little 5'5" tall 110 pound guy from Texas who played
cowboy parts? Most Decorated serviceman of WWII and earned: Medal of Honor, Distinguished Service Cross, 2 Silver Star Medals, Legion of Merit, 2 Bronze Star Medals with "V", 2 Purple Hearts, U.S. Army Outstanding Civilian Service Medal, Good Conduct Medal, 2 Distinguished Unit Emblems, American Campaign Medal, European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal with One Silver Star, Four Bronze Service Stars (representing nine campaigns) and one Bronze Arrowhead (representing assault landing at Sicily and Southern France) World War II Victory Medal Army of Occupation Medal with Germany Clasp, Armed Forces Reserve Medal, Combat Infantry Badge, Marksman Badge with Rifle Bar, Expert Badge with Bayonet Bar, French Fourragere in Colors of the Croix de Guerre, French Legion of Honor, Grade of Chevalier, French Croix de Guerre With Silver Star, French Croix de Guerre with Palm, Medal of Liberated France, Belgian Croix de Guerre 1940 Palm.





So how do you feel the real heroes of the silver screen acted when
Compared to the hollywonks today who spray out anti-American drivel as they bite the hand that feeds them? Can you imagine these stars of yester-year saying they hate our flag, making anti-war speeches, marching in anti-American parades and saying they hate our president? I thought not, neither did I!

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Jesus Christ and the American G. I.
One died for your soul, the other for your freedom

MikeyChalupa

Lee Marvin was shot in the ass during the war. He is buried in Arlington National Cemetary.

-Mikey

Liquor Dealer

Thought you guys might appreciate this:

A soldier, a sailor, an airman, and a Marine got into an argument about which service was the best. The arguing became so heated the four servicemen failed to see an oncoming truck. They were run over by the truck and killed instantly. Soon the four servicemen found themselves at the Pearly Gates of Heaven. There they met Saint Peter and decided that only he could be the ultimate source of truth and honesty. So, the four servicemen asked him, "Saint Peter, which branch of the United States Armed Forces is the best?"

Saint Peter replied, "I can't answer that. However, I will ask God what He thinks the next time I see Him. Meanwhile, thank you for your service on earth and welcome to Heaven."

Some time later, the four servicemen see Saint Peter and remind him of the question they had asked when first entering heaven. The four servicemen asked Saint Peter if he was able to find the answer. Suddenly, a sparkling white dove lands on Saint Peter's shoulder. In the dove's beak is a note glistening with gold dust. Saint Peter says to the four servicemen, "Your answer from the Boss. Let's see what he says." Saint Peter opens the note, trumpets blare, gold dust drifts into the air, harps play crescendos, and Saint Peter begins to read the note aloud to the four servicemen:


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MEMORANDUM FROM THE DESK OF THE ALMIGHTY ONE
TO: Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines.



Gentlemen, all branches of the United States Armed Forces are honorable and noble. Each serves America well and with distinction. Being a serviceman in the United States Military represents a special calling warranting special respect, tribute, and dedication. Be proud of that!

Sincerely,
GOD, USMC (Ret)

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rockogre

Excellent answer, and this coming from a squid.

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Jesus Christ and the American G. I.
One died for your soul, the other for your freedom

uncle phil

that's great, ld...

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- Robert S. McNamara
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"We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches...
We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles."
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never wrestle with a pig.
you both get dirty;
the pig likes it.

paddyjoe

Good job, bro. I thought for sure you'd manipulate that ending.

Sparhawk

That's what my copy of the memo says.

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Liquor Dealer

I can assure you that I didn't change a thing in it from the way I got it - If I had it would have read:



MEMORANDUM FROM THE DESK OF THE ALMIGHTY ONE
TO: Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines.



Gentlemen, all branches of the United States Armed Forces are honorable and noble. Each serves America well and with distinction. Being a serviceman in the United States Military represents a special calling warranting special respect, tribute, and dedication. Be proud of that!

Sincerely,
GOD, Adm. USN (Ret) [/B][/QUOTE]

P.S. Wasn't this what the guys were arguing about when they were hit by the trucK?

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uncle phil

bump for the 4th...

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"We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done."
- Robert S. McNamara
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"We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches...
We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles."
- Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message"
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never wrestle with a pig.
you both get dirty;
the pig likes it.

Sparhawk

I don't think God would necessarily be an officer. I'm thinking maybe an E-9 (Sergeant Major, Master Chief, Chief Master Sergeant)

*grin*

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rockogre

It saddened me to hear of the passing of Bob Hope and I think that it is only fitting that he be mentioned in this thread today.

Bob was one of us in every sense of the word. He did all he could to lighten, if just for a short while, the loneliness, pain, and suffering of thousands of US Service men and women.

It was mentioned by one of the news agencies that he was afraid of flying yet he flew all over the world because he thought more of others than himself.

Unless I am mistaken, that is the true mark of hero.

A shining light has gone out of the world today. Take a moment to remember this wonderful man.

You may have never seen him yet he thought about you!

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Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you,
Jesus Christ and the American G. I.
One died for your soul, the other for your freedom

uncle phil

I saw him in nam in '67 and '68...the man was an entertainer (raquel welch wasn't bad, either...) He will be missed...

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"We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done."
- Robert S. McNamara
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"We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches...
We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles."
- Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message"
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never wrestle with a pig.
you both get dirty;
the pig likes it.

rooster

i am a vetran of that very unpopular war call vietnam,and was a 13alpha10 are better known as artillary and never seen anything funny about it and i bet the reciever of the projectile didnt either


redleg for ever.

Speed_Gibson

served for four years in the USN and transferred probably millions of gallons of DFM (diesel fuel marine) in that time; also cleaned up more fuel than I care to recall from a berthing or elevator room. You know it is a bad sign when you never need to run a fuel spill cleanup drill because the real thing happens often enough.

MikeyChalupa

You didn't happen to be on the Kennedy, did you? I was on that ship for only 45 days and there were like 5 fuel spills and some lube oil leaks. And every time we conrepped elevator 1's machinery room would catch fire.

-Mikey

Sparhawk

Y'all might have seen this floating around, you might not...

The President has authorized the Department of Defense to assist Santa with the Twelve Days of Christmas. Status of acquisitions follows:

Day 1- Partridge in a pear tree: The Army and Air Force are in the process of deciding whose area of responsibility Day 1 falls under. Since the partridge is a bird, the Air Force believes it should have the lead. The Army, however, feels trees are part of the land component command's area of responsibility. After three months of discussion and repeated OpsDeps tank sessions, a $1M study has been commissioned to decide who should lead this
joint program.

Day 2 - Two turtle doves: Since doves are birds, the Air Force claims responsibility. However, turtles are amphibious, so the Navy-Marine Corps team feels it should take the lead. Initial studies have shown that turtles and doves may have interoperability problems. Terms of refererence are being coordinated for a four-year, $10M DARPA study.

Day 3 - Three French Hens: At State Department instigation, the Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs has blocked off-shore purchase of hens, from the French or anyone else. A $6M program is being developed to find an acceptable domestic alternative.

Day 4 - Four Calling Birds: Source selection has been completed, with the contract awarded to AT&T. However, the award is being challenged by a small disadvantaged business.

Day 5 - Five Golden Rings: No available rings meet MILSPEC for gold plating. A three-year, $5M accelerated development program has been initiated.

Day 6 - Six Geese a-Laying: The six geese have been acquired. However, the shells of their eggs seem to be very fragile. It might have been a mistake to build the production facility on a nuclear waste dump at former Air Force base that was closed under BRAC.

Day 7 - Seven Swans a-Swimming: Fourteen swans have been killed trying to get through the Navy SEAL training program. The program has been put on hold while the training procedures are reviewed to determine why the washout rate is so high.

Day 8 - Eight Maids a-Milking: The entire class of maids a milking training program at Aberdeen is involved in a sexual harassment suit against the Army. The program has been put on hold pending resolution of the lawsuit.

Day 9 - Nine Ladies Dancing: Recruitment of the ladies dancing has been halted by a lawsuit from the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell Association." Members claim they have a right to dance and wear women's clothing as long as they're off duty.

Day 10 - Ten Lords a-Leaping: The ten lords have been abducted by terrorists. Congress has approved $2M in funding to conduct a rescue operation. Army Special Forces and a USMC MEU(SOC) are conducting a "NEO-off" competition for the right to rescue.

Day 11 - Eleven Pipers Piping: The pipe contractor delivered the pipes on time. However, he thought DoD wanted smoking pipes. DoD lost the claim due to defective specifications. A $22M dollar retrofit program is in process to bring the pipes into spec.

Day 12 - Twelve Drummers Drumming: Due to cutbacks only six billets are available for drumming drummers. DoD is in the process of coordinating an RFP to obtain the six additional drummers by outsourcing; however, funds will not be available until FY 05.

As a result of the above-mentioned programmatic delays, and due to a high OPTEMPO that requires diversion of modernization funds to support current readiness, Christmas is hereby postponed until further notice.

Merry Christmas, especially to our boys and girls operating OS, be it Iraq or elsewhere. My thoughts are with you this special time of year

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rockogre

About time to bump this up.

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Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you,
Jesus Christ and the American G. I.
One died for your soul, the other for your freedom

uncle phil

bump..

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"We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done."
- Robert S. McNamara
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"We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches...
We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles."
- Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message"
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never wrestle with a pig.
you both get dirty;
the pig likes it.

Cynthetiq

Mikey Chalupa, ZeroCool....

we're thinking about you today.....

the rest of you who went out the like SpiVed....

thank you.

Those that are gearing up to go... I've got your back out here. I'll welcome you with open arms and give you a hug and say thank you.

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...69#post1192669

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fnaqzna

This veteran supports your right to be an ass during the National Anthem.

This veteran supports your right to burn a flag in protest.

This veteran thinks that some uniform items look okay mixed with civilian attire. This veteran thinks that if you cannot wear the uniform proudly, you should get out of the service.

This veteran thought Rosanne Barr's singing was funny, but not nearly as entertaining as the aftermath.

This veteran thinks Jane Fonda was wrong. This veteran also thinks that a lot of people do very stupid things when they are young. Get over it.

This veteran never liked the term, "squid." No, it is not a term of endearment. We are American Fighting Men. What we call ourselves or each other is between us. If you are a civilian, please don't consider it okay to use these terms.

This veteran thinks Oliver North should be in jail.

There, I said it.

paddyjoe

This veteran recognizes the fact that many fought and died so others can write and speak and act on the words you have shown us here.

Cheers to you fnaqzna

Please, everybody be safe this holiday weekend. If you have one too many at the BBQ, call a cab. It'll be worth it.

Cheers to you all.

reconmike

This veteran believes that these men would not allow anyone to burn a flag.

This veteran believes in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

This veteran believes that freedom has a flavor the protected will never taste.

This veteran hates Japanese car sales on memorial day.

So while your out BBQ'ing, chasing those BIG sales stop for a moment and atleast try and pay alittle homage to those who felt so strongly that freedom was worth defending.

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uncle phil

bump...

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"We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done."
- Robert S. McNamara
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"We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches...
We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles."
- Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message"
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never wrestle with a pig.
you both get dirty;
the pig likes it.

Willravel

To those that valiantly risk or give their lives in service of this great country, we dedicate this day in humble remembrance. My grandfather was the most fearless man I've ever known. He fought in 3 wars, or 1 war and two 'conflicts', and loved and protected his country, his family, and himself. He was one of the few who fought for the rights of black soldiers long before the term 'equal opportunity' was coined. It was around the time that 'separate but equal' was considered progressive. I'll be visiting his grave site later today to pay my respects.

I look forward to reading the thoughts of our brave men and women in service.

debaser

Here's a thought, well a rant really:

Yesterday was Memorial Day, but what does that really mean? I visited the gravesite of friend to pay my respects, and on the way home I got caught in traffic around one of the sprawling malls that are cropping up everywhere nowadays. Some guy cut me off then blessed me with the universal gesture so he could get to Wally World 15 seconds sooner. Got home, went to bed, turned on Larry King. Was he interviewing a service member, or the family of a service member?
No, just a bunch of self indulgent circle jerking with Kimberly Dozier, who was apparently so badly injured she can't even feign sympathy for the soldier and camera crew who died in the blast that brought her so much lens time. I guess I am starting to truely internalize what I have been churning over for a long time:

Americans on the whole don't give a flying fuck about their military.

They could do away with the Department of the Army, and it would still be upstaged by Dancing with the Stars, or whatever other vapid, worthless shit people are using to escape from reality. But why should anyone care? The vast majority has no stake in the current conflict what-so-ever. A vast majority of people in the military come from poor families, and who gives a shit about them, unless they are in front of you in line with one of those uncomfortable "My son is in the Marines" t-shirts on.

I suppose I am being overly critical, most people would probably like to see the war end if for no other reason than lowering this crushing tax burden, Oh wait, that's right, what sort of fantasy world do I live in where we raise taxes to pay for a war?

I woke this morning to see that Cindy Sheehan had quit the anti-war movement. Now I never really liked her. I thought her heart was in the right place, but her actions sometimes crossed the line. She wrote:
Her statement says a lot about how much she finally gets it even though she still doesn't get it. Her son did die for something: He died for his comrades, which is far more noble than any cause some politician could ever come up with. She is dead on about the rest.

Now I'm just rambling. I'll sum up my position in three words: Service despite contempt.


PS if this is inappropriate for this thread I'll start another one.

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Willravel

It's not just the military. Citizens of the USA, on average, are self involved. They prioritize comfort, which you can't blame a dog for but these people have working human brains capable of considering things like the greater good. It's shameful.

One thing I would like to say is that service despite contempt is how a brave and intelligent soldier becomes a cold and unfeeling robot. Being able to say no to the illegal order, be it against US law or one of our many treaties, is an important function in stopping corrupt politicians from using our military to their own ends.

ItWasMe

Alot of people don't know what the service pins mean, either. Well, non-military families anyway. Too many times to count, I've been asked what my pin is for. A banner or a pin with a white window and a blue star indicates the person has an immediate family member deployed. It is also known as the star in the window. (some have up to 4 stars, one for each family member deployed)

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...nity_thumb.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...apel_thumb.jpg

A gold star indicates that the soldier was killed. Thankfully, I don't have a need for one of those.

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I bake cookies just so I can lick the bowl. ~ ItWasMe

QuasiMondo

Had a friend gave me this memorable quote a long time ago:

"America is not at war. The Marine Corps is at war. America is at the mall."

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Cameron originally envisioned the Terminator as a small, unremarkable man, giving it the ability to blend in more easily. As a result, his first choice for the part was Lance Henriksen. O. J. Simpson was on the shortlist but Cameron did not think that such a nice guy could be a ruthless killer.

-From the Collector's Edition DVD of The Terminator