03-30-2006, 09:36 AM | #1 (permalink) | |
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Katie Holmes to keep silent during birth o_O
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006140204,00.html
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03-30-2006, 09:42 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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Although your post didn't really say much, I guess I think it's just fine;
Not so much for the wacky religion, but becuase it's a symbol of strength. I'm all about natural things, including natural birth. If someone wanted to not take painkillers and remain silent during their child birth for any other reason, I'd be quite impressed. But doing it because Scientology says so.. well.. yea.
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03-30-2006, 09:44 AM | #3 (permalink) | |
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03-30-2006, 09:50 AM | #5 (permalink) |
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interesting to say otherwise.
I don't shake with my left hand either, would you? I've been taught not to as a child. And I'm no Muslim. Likewise I find it inappropriate not to receive normal medicine treatment but maybe that all comes down to the fact that I hold very little religious beliefs.
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03-30-2006, 09:53 AM | #6 (permalink) |
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Crazy and stupid people amuse me.
Then I remember they can vote. *Sigh*
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03-30-2006, 09:55 AM | #7 (permalink) | |
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03-30-2006, 09:57 AM | #8 (permalink) | |
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apparently it was rude to do so because you wipe your arse with your left hand. :P of course, she didn't tell me what it really meant. I guess I found out today.
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03-30-2006, 10:01 AM | #9 (permalink) |
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Everyone has a right to their own beliefs, in my opinion, as long as they don't force them on me. I just don't see how a woman can have no pain killers AND expect to remain silent while giving birth. I did not have any pain killers with my second child and you probably could hear me across the state! If she really can remain silent during this, more power to her!
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03-30-2006, 10:15 AM | #10 (permalink) | |
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I have a problem with the "don't touch or speak to the child for seven days"
there is a lot of research which shows the mental bond between mother and child happens immediately after birth. The baby's eye focal length at birth is ~1 foot... which just so happens to be the distance between the breast and the face of the mother. Which is why babies are bonded to whoever holds them the most in the immediate months prior to birth. Wow, I find myself agreeing with Ustwo... Quote:
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03-30-2006, 10:22 AM | #11 (permalink) | |
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I think it's just damn impressive to remain silent during birth. To me, its a lesser extent of monks who can remain celibate their entire life or not speak for most of their life. It's a show of great mental strength, something I believe most people lack. Most importantly, it's a show of determination and mental strength that does NOT harm others. Just imagine how DIFFICULT it would be to remain silent, especially without medicine. That takes mental control that most people do not posess, so I can respect her for that, if nothing else.
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03-30-2006, 10:46 AM | #12 (permalink) |
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I wouldn't be as concerned if Katie Holmes herself had volunteered to follow the tradition, but if that's forced on her... that would be awful.
I, myself, would opt for a 'quiet' birth, just because I have this thing about people who raise their voices.. yellers.. shouters.. etc.. they bother me to no end. (if I think more about it, I would say their believe in how babies are traumatized by the screaming makes sense) But no medication? And no speaking or holding the baby is not something that I would find acceptable. |
03-30-2006, 10:51 AM | #13 (permalink) | |
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03-30-2006, 10:58 AM | #15 (permalink) | |
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03-30-2006, 11:35 AM | #18 (permalink) |
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i guess everyone has the right to their own beliefs, or something
my own beliefs being that scientologists are incredibly weird here's some scientologist audio if you're interested http://rapidshare.de/files/16683032/scientology.rar |
03-30-2006, 11:42 AM | #19 (permalink) |
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I'm reminded of the Bill Cosby bit where he describes child birth as something akin to having your bottom lip pulled over the back of your head. Yeah....I'm staying silent during something like that. To each his own. If it's one thing they've earned in this world it's the right to their privacy.
Hey Katie -- I'm 41 ... do you have a sister?
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03-30-2006, 11:45 AM | #20 (permalink) | |
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03-30-2006, 11:50 AM | #21 (permalink) | |
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Key Katie... about that sister... be a doll and PM me!!!
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03-30-2006, 12:32 PM | #23 (permalink) |
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Every time I hear something about Scientology, the more I wonder why people actually believe in it. Too bad it's not a cult where everyone drinks poison and dies.
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03-30-2006, 12:49 PM | #25 (permalink) |
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Holy Jebus christ! That is seriously the stupidiest thing I ever heard in my entire life
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03-30-2006, 01:03 PM | #27 (permalink) | |
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Now this made me laugh out loud...that's hilarious.
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03-30-2006, 01:04 PM | #28 (permalink) | |
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You have to keep them alive so they can keep buying your books and sending you money.... Oh, and devoting their lives to your "religion" How can something get classified as a religion when the founder essentailly stated "the best way to make money is to start your own religion" it boggles the mind.
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Very valid points, I think! I could understand not making noise if you had an epidural - I hardly made any noise at all - but asking her to remain silent while pushing something that huge through such a small hole with NO drugs is just fucking STUPID. I feel so sorry for her. Ever since she hooked up with that psychopath she's become his mute little puppet. You never hear her voice any more... it's just Tom speaking for "both" of them. I hope someday she tells him to shove it. And not talking to your infant for the first week of their life, and denying the child medical testing that could detect possible health problems... it's just so STUPID STUPID STUPID! I really don't know why any sane person would believe in any of that rot, especially when there's overwhelming scientific evidence proving the importance of establishing the mother-child bond immediately following birth. I just want to kick Tom Cruise in the balls. And bitchslap Katie for being dumb enough to stay with him. |
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03-30-2006, 01:16 PM | #30 (permalink) |
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Interesting fact: The womb is actually a very noisy place. The fetus hears the rushing of mother's blood and pounding heart beat all the time. The relative silence outside actually comes as a bit of a shock. This is why the "Shhh." sound can be so calming for a newborn.
The baby can't hear much of anything in there, so what's the big deal. On the way out, the baby is working just as hard as the mother (getting turned, squeezed and pushed), so I doubt it's traumatized by the wails of its mother.
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03-30-2006, 01:19 PM | #31 (permalink) |
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On a serious note, are there any actual documented case of this happening including the effects on the child afterward?
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03-30-2006, 01:28 PM | #32 (permalink) | |
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doing a fairly quick google on scientology and childbirth returned a snippet from an interview with John Travolta - who is a Scientologist...
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But -- doesn't the state require some sort of blood test when the baby is born - and don't they have to check the RH factor of the child? I know home births are pretty common -- during a regular home birth - -what happens?
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03-30-2006, 01:36 PM | #33 (permalink) |
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I read somewhere - that Tom bought Katie an Ipod to help keep her quiet..
Sometimes, just having something else to do, helps lessen the pain... like having something else to concentrate on... perhaps is she were to have a death grip on tom's testicles.. .and with each contraction - she could squeeze really really hard... she might not mind the pain so much...
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03-30-2006, 01:51 PM | #34 (permalink) |
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I think Tom Cruise is a great actor sometimes, and Katie Holmes is an ok actress. Other than that, I really don't give a crap. What I read in gossip papers and see on gossip television shows doesn't influence my thoughts regarding these people in the least. I'm probably just as wacky as they are, in my own way, but the press isn't all up in my shit.
I don't understand how these opinions regarding celebrities get formed.
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03-30-2006, 02:54 PM | #38 (permalink) | |
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03-30-2006, 04:39 PM | #40 (permalink) |
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I agree with whoever stated that maternal bonding takes place after birth...denying the child certain types of bonding after birth is what confuses me. I gave birth pretty quietly...if she wants to be quiet and not have pain meds, great...it's possible to do it. It's what's taking place AFTER the birth that bothers me. I just honestly don't understand how anyone can think that is beneficial to a child.
Nikki, that was hilarious. I nearly choked on my toast when I read it.
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