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Old 03-03-2006, 02:25 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Carbon monoxide kills naked cheating couple during sex

A 23 year old man and a 17 year old girl (whom the man was cheating on his girlfriend with) died from carbon monoxide poisoning while naked and having sex in a car in a garage.

It takes two seperate articles to get all the details.

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Couple Found Dead In Car In Garage

MILWAUKEE -- A relative discovered a 23-year-old man dead in the front seat of a car Friday still embracing a dead 17-year-old girl.

Their nude bodies were inside a closed garage in the front seat of a 1978 Cutlass. They had apparently been having sex when they were overcome by carbon monoxide, 12 News reported.

The medical examiner said the deaths appear accidental.

The two were not found for nearly a day. The man's mother became worried because she could not reach him on his cell phone Friday morning.


"She called his cousin, who lived nearby, to help her track him down. He's the one who looked inside the garage and found the bodies," WISN 12 News reporter Nick Bohr said.

"Carbon monoxide can accumulate very rapidly. It's just something you don't want to take a chance with," said Dr. Ken Schellhase, of the Medical College of Wisconsin.

Schellhase said warming up a car in a closed garage is one of the most dangerous things you can do, much less staying in the car as it idles.

He said the symptoms can be hard to recognize.

"The symptoms are pretty non-specific. It can include things like headache, dizziness, a general sense of ill ease," Schellhase said.

Sleepiness is also a symptom.

"Those are often the most tragic circumstances where people fall asleep, and there's a carbon monoxide leak of some sort. The dose is overwhelming," Schellhase said.

Schellhase said it is unusual for someone to be overcome so quickly, but it's not clear how long they may have been in the car prior to having sex.

According to the medical examiner's report, the carbon monoxide levels the garage got so intense at some point that the car itself choked off for lack of oxygen.

The car still had one-quarter of a tank of gas.
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Two die of carbon monoxide poisoning

A Milwaukee man and a 17-year-old girl died of carbon monoxide poisoning while having sex inside a running car in a closed garage last week, according to a Milwaukee County medical examiner's investigation report.

Family members of the 23-year-old man had gone looking for him Friday after he didn't return repeated calls to his cell phone. He had dropped his girlfriend off at work Thursday night and had borrowed her car, which a relative spotted parked in an alley behind his home in the 5400 block of W. Lincoln Creek Drive around noon Friday, the report states.

The relative entered the man's two-car detached garage, found him and the girl inside and called police.

There was no sign of external trauma, according to the report. An autopsy conducted Saturday determined that both had died from carbon monoxide poisoning.

The man's mother said the dead 17-year-old was not her son's girlfriend, and she did not know her, according to the report.

The girl had been staying with a relative a few blocks away, the medical examiner's report states.
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Old 03-03-2006, 08:25 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Police Officer - "Ma'am, I got a bad news for you"
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PO - "They were engaging in act of sex ma'am"
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Old 03-03-2006, 08:38 AM   #3 (permalink)
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There's a good plan, let's have sex, while the garage fills with carbon monoxide. At least open a side door or something
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Old 03-03-2006, 08:41 AM   #4 (permalink)
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It was a 1978 Cutlass. I don't think this man was bound for much glory.
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Old 03-03-2006, 08:44 AM   #5 (permalink)
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It was a 1978 Cutlass. I don't think this man was bound for much glory.

For those of you wondering
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Old 03-03-2006, 08:49 AM   #6 (permalink)
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For those of you wondering.
Why, that's a beautifully restored Cutlass. The couple appears to have taken good care of themselves as well. I'm surprised such snappy dressers lacked the forethought to avoid this tragic ending. (tic)
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Old 03-03-2006, 08:56 AM   #7 (permalink)
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see kids.....having sex in a car is not all its cracked up to be..wonder whos idea the car was
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Old 03-03-2006, 09:16 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Big car... lots of room to manouver.

My car, back when I would "park" was very small. I didn't feel the need to compensate.
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Old 03-03-2006, 09:25 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Wow. That's a gas.

(Ba-dum-ching!)
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Old 03-03-2006, 09:29 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Well...I hope that at least she was good.

Or...from her perspective, I hope that he was everything she dreamed of, and more. Though, somehow...I doubt it.

Well, on the up side, though...there are certainly much worse ways to exit this existence.
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Old 03-03-2006, 09:35 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Tragic.

cheating pedophiles get what's coming to them...
What I wonder is if it wasn't also rape.

I can't imagine being a family member of either of the dead folks. It'd be horrible.
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Old 03-03-2006, 09:41 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I don't think 17 really makes him a pedophile... *boggle* In fact, 17 is the age of consent in nearly all US states.
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Old 03-03-2006, 09:41 AM   #13 (permalink)
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That's sad and funny at the same time.

It's sanny. It's fad.

Well... Maybe more lika sadronic.
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Old 03-03-2006, 10:05 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Tragic.

cheating pedophiles get what's coming to them...
What I wonder is if it wasn't also rape.
That's a bit of a leap.
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Old 03-03-2006, 10:08 AM   #15 (permalink)
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That's a bit of a leap.
Not so much - the girl was under the age of 18... he was 23... in many places that would be statuatory rape... However, in the state of Wisconsin, age of sexual consent is 16.
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Old 03-03-2006, 10:12 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Mumbles obligatory coming and going joke....

I sure hope that girl's family has a private (no pun intended) viewing. I know I sure as hell wouldn't want all her classmates coming by to see if she's still smiling.
What a waste...
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Old 03-03-2006, 10:50 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Not so much - the girl was under the age of 18... he was 23... in many places that would be statuatory rape... However, in the state of Wisconsin, age of sexual consent is 16.
You'd be surprised at what the age of consent is in Canada.


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Old 03-03-2006, 11:23 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Yeah well, imagine the willpower it took for me to finally engage at 15. And with a boy of 19. God he was good. You never forget your first.

Opps,..some people died. I hope while they were in the act, they had a gas. Bah
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Old 03-03-2006, 11:24 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Why the fuck did they have the engine running? They were in a garage so why not do it on the car instead of in it? Or at least heat up the cutlass then switch it back off. Idiots. Worthy of the Darwin award.
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I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. I was 17 and lost my virginity to a 23 year old guy. My parents were aware of our relationship. So it's not a pedophile for god's sake. Jeez people are really going nuts nowadays.

I'm not saying he couldn't be or that it couldn't be rape, but it IS a bit of a leap.

As for the two people involved in this...they had to be pretty stupid. What a stupid way to die.
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Darwin hopefuls for sure.

Yes it must be terribly embarrasing for the families.

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Old 03-03-2006, 01:04 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I dunno...Greg came out on top a couple of times.
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I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. I was 17 and lost my virginity to a 23 year old guy. My parents were aware of our relationship. So it's not a pedophile for god's sake. Jeez people are really going nuts nowadays.

I'm not saying he couldn't be or that it couldn't be rape, but it IS a bit of a leap.

As for the two people involved in this...they had to be pretty stupid. What a stupid way to die.

This "people" is honestly hurt by your comment.

What ever happened to coming to the forum with an attitude of respect?
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Old 03-03-2006, 01:22 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Old 03-03-2006, 01:27 PM   #26 (permalink)
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cheating pedophiles get what's coming to them...
What I wonder is if it wasn't also rape.
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So it's not a pedophile for god's sake. Jeez people are really going nuts nowadays.
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This "people" is honestly hurt by your comment.

What ever happened to coming to the forum with an attitude of respect?
Well, it could have been phrased differently. Here's the thing, though:

Based on absolutely nothing, you called the guy a pedophile and basically said his death was deserved. That's really harsh. Neither article mentioned anything about statutory rape, or that it was anything illegal- you made that leap yourself. In the state where it happened, it was a perfectly legal act between what the state recognizes as two consenting adults. Not to mention that pedophilia defined as an attraction to prepubescent children- which a 17 year old most certainly is not.

So next time you wanna go calling people pedophiles and wishing death on them, you might want to make sure you're right before tossing accusations. Because I, for one, get offended when people accuse people of stuff or slander people for no reason, based on nothing... and that's what you have done here.

To all:
And speaking of respect, how about we tone down the crass commentary a bit? It wouldn't be funny if the girl was your sister, or daughter, or if the guy was your brother, or son. Mistakes happen. You wanna get in your little comments, that's one thing, but these "i hope it was a gas" little jabs just aren't necessary, are they?

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[QUOTE=analog]Well, it could have been phrased differently. Here's the thing, though:

Based on absolutely nothing, you called the guy a pedophile and basically said his death was deserved. That's really harsh. Neither article mentioned anything about statutory rape, or that it was anything illegal- you made that leap yourself. In the state where it happened, it was a perfectly legal act between what the state recognizes as two consenting adults. Not to mention that pedophilia defined as an attraction to prepubescent children- which a 17 year old most certainly is not. [QUOTE]


I'm sorry, in my state, he is legally considered a pedophile. He would be on the Megan's Law website with a big fat "Rape and illicit acts with a CHILD under the age of 18". Karma says it was coming to him. As it will to anyone else who does this kind of senseless crap.

It's still a tragedy and I feel for his (and her) family.

I've been bothered by the flippancy of many members on the boards in general lately.
Fewer and fewer people take time to think about their responses and to attempt to come up with something poignant that will drive conversation. It's just a bunch of "hey, you're an imbicile and here's why" crap, rather than, "Hey, that's an interesting perspective. Mine differs. Let's talk it out."
I came to expect the first from other discussion boards, I thought I could expect the second from the TFP.


In my eyes, Little Tippler, you were manipulated by an older man, and your life has been lived out differently because of this. Maybe it's just my skewed perspective, but it's a perspective. I know, Little Tippler, that you have every right to think that I am wrong. I would like to hear why. I would like some real dialogue here. I would like the opportunity to gain an open mind about this one.

But the way the current conversation is going, none of that will happen.
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Old 03-03-2006, 03:14 PM   #28 (permalink)
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That surprises me genuinegirly. I've always though California to be a more liberal place than that. But at any rate, if seventeen is too young by law there, I suspect that there are as many "pedophiles" there as any other state in the union.

It also doesn’t surprise me that this could have happened. I think a lot of people don't realize how quickly one can be overcome by carbon monoxide poisoning.


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I'm sorry, in my state, he is legally considered a pedophile. He would be on the Megan's Law website with a big fat "Rape and illicit acts with a CHILD under the age of 18". Karma says it was coming to him. As it will to anyone else who does this kind of senseless crap.

It's still a tragedy and I feel for his (and her) family.

I've been bothered by the flippancy of many members on the boards in general lately.
Fewer and fewer people take time to think about their responses and to attempt to come up with something poignant that will drive conversation. It's just a bunch of "hey, you're an imbicile and here's why" crap, rather than, "Hey, that's an interesting perspective. Mine differs. Let's talk it out."
I came to expect the first from other discussion boards, I thought I could expect the second from the TFP.


In my eyes, Little Tippler, you were manipulated by an older man, and your life has been lived out differently because of this. Maybe it's just my skewed perspective, but it's a perspective. I know, Little Tippler, that you have every right to think that I am wrong. I would like to hear why. I would like some real dialogue here. I would like the opportunity to gain an open mind about this one.

But the way the current conversation is going, none of that will happen.

Go look up the definition of pedophile. You (and if its really true about your state) are 100% wrong.

Youre getting this response because you, like some zealots in some religions, are being an insensitive asshole. What if his mom read what you said? Would you really tell that to her face?
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In my eyes, Little Tippler, you were manipulated by an older man, and your life has been lived out differently because of this.
Yes because all women are delicate flowers and need to be treated as such. Age of consent should not be a black and white issue.
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Go look up the definition of pedophile. You (and if its really true about your state) are 100% wrong.

Youre getting this response because you, like some zealots in some religions, are being an insensitive asshole. What if his mom read what you said? Would you really tell that to her face?

You guys are doing better... but still... There's more name-calling.

Does anyone see a logical way to present this perspective that might actually change my opinion?
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Does anyone see a logical way to present this perspective that might actually change my opinion?
First my apologies for taking this further off topic. Mayhaps a mod will split this topic rather than close a perfectly good thread...

But my mom was 17 when she married my dad who was 27. They were married 53 years before she passed this past October. Dad is not in my estimation a child molester.
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GG, if the age of consent in Wisconsin (where this incident occurred), was 18, which it's not, it's 16, then he was guilty of Statutory Rape, which is sexual relations with a person who has not reached the age of consent. Pedophelia, is an adult who is sexually attracted to a child, meaning more prepubescent - rather than a 17 year old.

A statutory rape conviction still would make them a sex offender (at least according to all I've read on sex offender registries) but there's a difference between a pedophile and a statutory rapist (which is why I hate sex offender registries so much)

Now can we please stop the name calling... thank you
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Old 03-03-2006, 04:02 PM   #34 (permalink)
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A pedophile is a person who over at least a 6 month period has recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (age 13 years or younger). The fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children. Not to include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12 or 13 year old (straight or gay). Individuals with pedophilia generally report an attraction to children of a particular age range. Some individuals prefer males, others prefer females, and some are aroused by both males and females. Pedophila involving female victims is reported more than pedophilia involving male victims.
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Old 03-03-2006, 04:34 PM   #35 (permalink)
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firstly - obv different laws in different places... the age of consent in the UK is 16, and to me this is two consenting adults... Im not saying that cheating on someone is a great thing to do, but I think it becomes rather insignificant in comparison to this tragedy. The story is very sad, and it seems one or both of them was rather silly... and they paid a price far greater than they ever should have.

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Old 03-03-2006, 06:49 PM   #36 (permalink)
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I'm sorry, in my state, he is legally considered a pedophile. He would be on the Megan's Law website with a big fat "Rape and illicit acts with a CHILD under the age of 18". Karma says it was coming to him. As it will to anyone else who does this kind of senseless crap.
No, you're incorrect, he is not considered a pedophile- either in California, or in the law of any state in this country. He COULD be charged with statutory rape, under current CALIFORNIA law- but your problem is that this didn't happen in your state, so I don't know what your gripe is.

It fell under Wisconsin law, in which he has committed no crime. I might note, as have others, that age of consent is different all over the world. Here in the states, it goes all the way down to 16 in several states for females, and down to 14 in a few states for males. The stats are widely available for your perusal, so I suggest you do that research before you insist I shot you down with incorrect information.

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I would like some real dialogue here. I would like the opportunity to gain an open mind about this one.

But the way the current conversation is going, none of that will happen.
The current conversation is fine, save for your calling people pedophiles who aren't pedophiles by ANYONE's definition of the term except your own (which obviously doesn't count), and wishing death on people. When you take such an egregiously incorrect stance against the facts of law, based on your own moral agenda, people are going to point out how incredibly factually wrong you are, and rightly question the basis of your erronious, and offensive argument.

Bottom line is- your opinions about the act of pedophilia are incorrect based on both the definition used in criminal psychology to specify the mental processes known as pedophilia, and as compared to the law of every state in this country governing what defines a criminal act of pedophilia. The law you assert he's guilty of statutory rape under is a California age of consent law, not a Wisonsin age of consent law, and the incident took place in Wisconsin. Furthermore, wishing death on someone or asserting that their death was deserved is the blatant result of your personal moral agenda, and you will be held to account for such harsh opinions/judgments.

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Old 03-03-2006, 06:52 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Youre getting this response because you, like some zealots in some religions, are being an insensitive asshole.
If this wasnt already quoted by the person who it was aimed at, i'd have edited it for flaming. Regardless of the issue, and your personal feelings towards whether someone is right or wrong, this type of personal attack is very inappropriate, and will not be tolerated on these boards.

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Old 03-04-2006, 02:56 AM   #40 (permalink)
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Analog,

Rightfully corrected.

my statement did not imply that I wished death on them, only that it was a natural result of his actions - more in relation to cheating on a woman in her own car than it has to do with the nature of other potential offenses. I suppose that my desire for brevity created a communication void in that respect.

I hope that blatant flaming will not be tolerated in the future. But anything short of cuss words has been tolerated in the past. This is not an attitude of respect for fellow board members. This is not what we come to the TFP for. We come to be enlightened. Not ridiculed for our personal opinions.
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