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TotalMILF · 02-23-2006, 11:56 AM

Maybe the inmate that makes Travis his bitch will give him a similar contract. "Thou shall allow me to rape you anally when I want it, and how I want it, and you will be enthusiastic about it, else lose a GBD. Now bend over."

Sweetpea · 02-23-2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TotalMILF

Maybe the inmate that makes Travis his bitch will give him a similar contract. "Thou shall allow me to rape you anally when I want it, and how I want it, and you will be enthusiastic about it, else lose a GBD. Now bend over."

well, although initially i would want revenge and to wish such horror on someone like this man... i still wouldn't want it to happen to him, although i know it might, i still feel compassion for him for the abuse he will most likely suffer, maybe i am too soft.
That kind of abuse (or any abuse for that matter) still remains something i would wish on no one, not even my worst enemy.

sweetpea

Blackthorn · 02-26-2006, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by analog

Funny how it's sick just because you don't understand it. In a D/s relationship, many of the above would be pretty common.

He wanted a submissive... his mistake, which was very wrong was applying his ideals to a person who didn't agree.

(and no, i wouldn't treat a woman like that- just being informative.)

Exactly...and don't you think you'd have that conversation before you tied the knot (and I mean from both sides of the aisle -- he to her and vice versa)? I'm not blaming this woman but it makes me wonder if this was a sudden mood shift on his part after she married this nut job. Were there no signs of something out of line for her before they were married? And to be married for nine years....wow.

Lasereth · 02-26-2006, 02:42 PM

After reading it, there's only a few parts in it that I would consider downright cruel as long as the wife agreed to it. Is the guy a bastard for attempting to force it on his wife? Yeah, but the actual contract isn't as NEARLY as bad as everyone is saying if you're into that sort of stuff. If you think about it, if there was a woman that was willing to this contract, he and his wife would theoretically never have an argument and never have marital strife. The contract is designed to prevent any negative situations or any comments that would hurt the husband.

Sure, it's sick, but I personally think there's a different theory behind simply being a controlling sex maniac as many are making him out to be...in between the lines is a simple contract that would prevent arguments that make marriage suck. This guy just took it waay too far.

raeanna74 · 02-27-2006, 07:46 AM

Negative comments or complaints when said in a nice way can lead to positive improvements in a marriage. This contract basically deleted any of the necessary communication for a good marriage. Even in a D/s relationship there needs to be a lot of communication from both parties with regards to both positive and negative subjects.

The contract was written by someone who was very insecure and selfish. Not by a good Dom.

Strange Famous · 02-28-2006, 03:31 PM

certainly a minimum sentence of 20 years will be a appropriate in this case.... I think its even crazier that there were apparently kids being bought up in this situation...

Strange Famous · 02-28-2006, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sweetpea

well, although initially i would want revenge and to wish such horror on someone like this man... i still wouldn't want it to happen to him, although i know it might, i still feel compassion for him for the abuse he will most likely suffer, maybe i am too soft.
That kind of abuse (or any abuse for that matter) still remains something i would wish on no one, not even my worst enemy.

sweetpea

I dont really think I'd get any pleasure from the idea of him being sexually assaulted in jail. I really dont want a world where anyone is the victim of things like that, or the perpetrator. All people are entitled to a degree of protection, even the worst. I think the argument though would have to be for his total isolation from society, becaise he clearly is dangerous and abusive... hopefully within his confinement he will be re-educated to the degree that he can not be a threat to women when or if he is ever free again

Nimetic · 03-01-2006, 03:54 PM

It seems to me that a number of people have taken an overly simplistic view here.

My key issues are

a) A written piece of paper describing sexual activities is not evidence
of anything. It may simply be a fantasy. Fantasy does not equal
reality. Many people write erotic stories and/or enjoy describing
situations which never occur - and which they have no intention
of actually participating in.

b) If the woman went along with one or more of his fantasies, or shared
them, this too is ok.

c) Neither of the first two points are relevant to whether or not he raped
her (in my mind). If he raped her or assaulted her, that is a crime
pure and simple. The document is not relevant.

d) If she signed this... I doubt that it means anything. I don't know
law, but my understanding is that there are normally rights which
cannot be simply signed away. And signing under duress -
I'd assume that would make it unenforceable also.

(On the other hand, if such a document was enforceable in this
location - then it'd be grounds for some political lobbying. I'm saying
that the law should not allow slavery, which is what this would be)

To recap. This document seems irrelevant to the case. The moral question, in my view, is whether he raped and/or assaulted his wife. By this I mean, did he have sex with her or hurt her in a matter that she did not consent to at the time.

And... if she did not consent... did she make him aware of this?

lindalove · 03-01-2006, 08:48 PM

If he is a Dominant, he's either new and/or inexperienced at it. One thing everyone is over looking is the fact that she never signed it, or agreed to it. And for those of us on the board familiar with the D/s lifestyle, you can't enforce a "contract" not agreed to and still try to pass it off as a D/s "contract".

Safe, Sane and CONSENSUAL... sounds like she didn't consent.

(Note: What is "Sane" for some, is absurd and totally insane for someone else. No one walks the path of this lifestyle exactly like someone else does.)

Dragonknight · 03-02-2006, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TotalMILF

Maybe the inmate that makes Travis his bitch will give him a similar contract. "Thou shall allow me to rape you anally when I want it, and how I want it, and you will be enthusiastic about it, else lose a GBD. Now bend over."

Ohh I'm sorry, but I just laughed my ass off over this.

Okay the only realy people I feel badly about are the children. Those kids should NEVER have been brough up in this type of relationship if the mother wasn't willing to be in it from the very first time she saw this letter. If she didn't like what was in the document from the start she should have been put on edge. Once her husband tried to enforce even ONE of the things she didn't agree with she should have up and left period. She stayed with him for 9 years and then had not one but two children with him, unacceptable. If your afraid of a given situation okay, but the adding of one of your children should turn on the mother bear response in your body, giving you more then enough strength to leave the situation.

rockogre · 03-06-2006, 02:54 PM

It's like voluntary slavery! The American pubic never fails to live down to my lowest expectations.

Nimetic · 03-09-2006, 03:42 PM

This raises an interesting question.

Who produced the document in court. The lawyer(s) acting for the complainant, or the lawyer(s) acting for the defendant? Anybody know?

(I think that's the correct terminology yes?)

wolf · 03-22-2006, 07:23 AM

There are so many issues here it is difficult to keep track. This guy is a therapists nightmare. His preconceptions about the relationship between a husband and wife crosses into a concentual D/S relationship. Dom Subs usually have their moments when they act out their fantasy, and most times there is a "code word" used to stop the situation. Though it appears the dominant is in control, psychologically the sub has all of the control. Once they say the word, the incident stops, period. The sub allows the dom to do what they want until the word is said.

This on the other hand is like surfdom/ slavery. This is just nuts. He didn't want a relationship, he wanted a human sex toy. She wasn't allowed to talk to him about anything which might upset him. Unbelievable. There are women who feel they cannot get out a situation like this. I know some have said there is always a way out, and yes that is true. However, it is not easy to see the way out looking from the inside. I am curious as to whether this contract was enforced for the nine years or their marriage.

On top of everything, he was arrested for child porn, nice guy. I hope his wife and kids get the help they will desperately need to deal with all of this.

connyosis · 03-22-2006, 08:23 AM

Oh sweet jebus! I'm speechless, what a nutjob!

connyosis · 03-22-2006, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rockogre

...The American pubic never fails to live down to my lowest expectations.

Apparently not Freys either since it had to be shaved off every third day.

wolf · 03-22-2006, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by connyosis

Apparently not Freys either since it had to be shaved off every third day.

LOL... good catch....

Amnesia620 · 03-22-2006, 07:01 PM

What is repulsive, is that this guy didn't ask his wife permission FIRST

cdwonderful · 03-30-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by fredweena

I would have laughed and thrown it in his face, then walked out on my 3" heels into the real light of day. That's sick.

should have walked OVER him in the 3" inch heels

02-26-2006, 02:42 PM	#84 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	After reading it, there's only a few parts in it that I would consider downright cruel as long as the wife agreed to it. Is the guy a bastard for attempting to force it on his wife? Yeah, but the actual contract isn't as NEARLY as bad as everyone is saying if you're into that sort of stuff. If you think about it, if there was a woman that was willing to this contract, he and his wife would theoretically never have an argument and never have marital strife. The contract is designed to prevent any negative situations or any comments that would hurt the husband. Sure, it's sick, but I personally think there's a different theory behind simply being a controlling sex maniac as many are making him out to be...in between the lines is a simple contract that would prevent arguments that make marriage suck. This guy just took it waay too far. __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert

02-27-2006, 07:46 AM	#85 (permalink)
raeanna74 I'm not a blonde! I'm knot! I'm knot! I'm knot! Location: Upper Michigan	Negative comments or complaints when said in a nice way can lead to positive improvements in a marriage. This contract basically deleted any of the necessary communication for a good marriage. Even in a D/s relationship there needs to be a lot of communication from both parties with regards to both positive and negative subjects. The contract was written by someone who was very insecure and selfish. Not by a good Dom. __________________ "Always learn the rules so that you can break them properly." Dalai Lama My Karma just ran over your Dogma.

02-28-2006, 03:31 PM	#86 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	certainly a minimum sentence of 20 years will be a appropriate in this case.... I think its even crazier that there were apparently kids being bought up in this situation... __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

03-01-2006, 03:54 PM	#88 (permalink)
Nimetic Junkie Location: Melbourne, Australia	Missing the point It seems to me that a number of people have taken an overly simplistic view here. My key issues are a) A written piece of paper describing sexual activities is not evidence of anything. It may simply be a fantasy. Fantasy does not equal reality. Many people write erotic stories and/or enjoy describing situations which never occur - and which they have no intention of actually participating in. b) If the woman went along with one or more of his fantasies, or shared them, this too is ok. c) Neither of the first two points are relevant to whether or not he raped her (in my mind). If he raped her or assaulted her, that is a crime pure and simple. The document is not relevant. d) If she signed this... I doubt that it means anything. I don't know law, but my understanding is that there are normally rights which cannot be simply signed away. And signing under duress - I'd assume that would make it unenforceable also. (On the other hand, if such a document was enforceable in this location - then it'd be grounds for some political lobbying. I'm saying that the law should not allow slavery, which is what this would be) To recap. This document seems irrelevant to the case. The moral question, in my view, is whether he raped and/or assaulted his wife. By this I mean, did he have sex with her or hurt her in a matter that she did not consent to at the time. And... if she did not consent... did she make him aware of this?

03-06-2006, 02:54 PM	#91 (permalink)
rockogre I aim to misbehave! Location: SW Oklahoma	It's like voluntary slavery! The American pubic never fails to live down to my lowest expectations. __________________ Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American G. I. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom

02-23-2006, 11:56 AM	#81 (permalink)
TotalMILF Delusional... but in a funny way Location: deeee-TROIT!!!	Maybe the inmate that makes Travis his bitch will give him a similar contract. "Thou shall allow me to rape you anally when I want it, and how I want it, and you will be enthusiastic about it, else lose a GBD. Now bend over."

03-01-2006, 08:48 PM	#89 (permalink)
lindalove Registered User	If he is a Dominant, he's either new and/or inexperienced at it. One thing everyone is over looking is the fact that she never signed it, or agreed to it. And for those of us on the board familiar with the D/s lifestyle, you can't enforce a "contract" not agreed to and still try to pass it off as a D/s "contract". Safe, Sane and CONSENSUAL... sounds like she didn't consent. (Note: What is "Sane" for some, is absurd and totally insane for someone else. No one walks the path of this lifestyle exactly like someone else does.)

03-09-2006, 03:42 PM	#92 (permalink)
Nimetic Junkie Location: Melbourne, Australia	This raises an interesting question. Who produced the document in court. The lawyer(s) acting for the complainant, or the lawyer(s) acting for the defendant? Anybody know? (I think that's the correct terminology yes?)

03-22-2006, 07:23 AM	#93 (permalink)
wolf Ravenous Location: Right Behind You	There are so many issues here it is difficult to keep track. This guy is a therapists nightmare. His preconceptions about the relationship between a husband and wife crosses into a concentual D/S relationship. Dom Subs usually have their moments when they act out their fantasy, and most times there is a "code word" used to stop the situation. Though it appears the dominant is in control, psychologically the sub has all of the control. Once they say the word, the incident stops, period. The sub allows the dom to do what they want until the word is said. This on the other hand is like surfdom/ slavery. This is just nuts. He didn't want a relationship, he wanted a human sex toy. She wasn't allowed to talk to him about anything which might upset him. Unbelievable. There are women who feel they cannot get out a situation like this. I know some have said there is always a way out, and yes that is true. However, it is not easy to see the way out looking from the inside. I am curious as to whether this contract was enforced for the nine years or their marriage. On top of everything, he was arrested for child porn, nice guy. I hope his wife and kids get the help they will desperately need to deal with all of this. __________________ Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as Gods. Cats have never forgotten this.

03-22-2006, 08:23 AM	#94 (permalink)
connyosis Psycho Location: Sweden - Land of the sodomite damned	Oh sweet jebus! I'm speechless, what a nutjob! __________________ If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby.

03-22-2006, 07:01 PM	#97 (permalink)
Amnesia620 Forget me not... Location: See that dot on the map? I don't live there.	What is repulsive, is that this guy didn't ask his wife permission FIRST __________________ For example, I find that a lot of college girls are barbie doll carbon copies with few differences...Sadly, they're dumb, ditzy, immature, snotty, fake, or they are the gravitational center to orbiting drama. - Amnesia620