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Strange Famous · 02-12-2006, 01:31 PM

Jesus. Just unbelievable.

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Cheney shoots man in hunt error

The US Vice-President, Dick Cheney, has accidentally shot and injured a man during a quail hunting trip in Texas.
The victim, named as Harry Whittington, was on the trip with Mr Cheney at the Armstrong Ranch when the accident happened on Saturday.

Ranch owner Katharine Armstrong said Mr Whittington, 78, had been taken to Corpus Christi Memorial Hospital where was said to be "alert and doing fine".

According to a spokeswoman, Mr Cheney spent Sunday afternoon at the hospital.

highthief · 02-12-2006, 01:44 PM

If it wasn't so unfunny that some poor sap got hurt by this, I'd laugh, y'know?

Elphaba · 02-12-2006, 01:56 PM

It seems that if Cheney didn't have bad luck, he would have no luck at all.

http://www.cnn.com/

Details are still coming in, so I haven't posted the article at this moment.

Borla · 02-12-2006, 01:59 PM

From an article I read, it was merely some pellets that sprayed him from some bird shot. He didn't really "shoot" him like most people would imagine when reading the headline.

But I'm sure our media is going to take it and run, run run.

clavus · 02-12-2006, 02:12 PM

This is another sad example of the liberal, communist, anti-gun, left-wing, Castro-loving media trying to make our dear leaders look bad. I'm sure the terrorists are laughing right now because we are even discussing this. Well laugh all you want, because the heroes at FOX are reporting the truth - this guy was an Islamic insurgent.

We need to ask ourselves, why isn't our politicians aiming.

Coppertop · 02-12-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Borla

From an article I read, it was merely some pellets that sprayed him from some bird shot. He didn't really "shoot" him like most people would imagine when reading the headline.

But I'm sure our media is going to take it and run, run run.

Cheney fires a shotgun, pellets from which hit another man, yet Cheney didn't really shoot him? What an interesting view. What, pray tell, did Cheney really do to him then?

Brewmaniac · 02-12-2006, 02:13 PM

Lock him up! LOL

I shouldn't laugh the poor guy has got to be hurting. Cheney is the joke!

Charlatan · 02-12-2006, 02:21 PM

I blame the Secret Service...

ubertuber · 02-12-2006, 02:22 PM

It's not the first time - Aaron Burr shot and killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel while Vice President under Thomas Jefferson. Burr served the rest of his time and was never tried or convicted for killing Hamilton.

What he did afterwards is almost too bizarre to recount, including trying to lead a secret army to make Texas a nation.

Charlatan · 02-12-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ubertuber

What he did afterwards is almost too bizarre to recount, including trying to lead a secret army to make Texas a nation.

Maybe as Bush jr. finished Bush sr's work, Cheney is hoping to finishe the work of Aaron Burr. He has a few more years in office but that's no reason to start planing for the Texas war of seccession.

Borla · 02-12-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Coppertop

Cheney fires a shotgun, pellets from which hit another man, yet Cheney didn't really shoot him? What an interesting view. What, pray tell, did Cheney really do to him then?

Have you ever fired a shotgun with birdshot in it?

Have you ever hunted?

Often when you hunt for doves or other fowl you spread out over a tract of land. Occasionally there is the possibility of pellets from another hunter hitting the area of your blind when they come back to earth or are deflected. It's akin to getting shot at long range from a BB gun. I'm just saying it's not like many uneducated, uninformed, or ignorant people would assume, that the guy got shot with a "bullet" that could've killed him. Without further detail, and knowing it was bird hunting, I'm just saying not to assume it isn't something very minor getting blown out of proportion.

If it is proven that he was 5' away from the guy and he still hit him then it's far different than if they were in blinds 100 yards apart and he got hit with pellets.

Borla · 02-12-2006, 02:33 PM

From an eyewitness:

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Armstrong said she was watching from a car while Cheney, Whittington and another hunter got out of the vehicle to shoot at a covey of quail.

Whittington shot a bird and went to look for it in the tall grass, while Cheney and the third hunter walked to another spot and discovered a second covey.

Whittington "came up from behind the vice president and the other hunter and didn't signal them or indicate to them or announce himself," Armstrong said.

"The vice president didn't see him," she continued. "The covey flushed and the vice president picked out a bird and was following it and shot. And by god, Harry was in the line of fire and got peppered pretty good."

"It broke the skin," she said of the shotgun pellets. "It knocked him silly. But he was fine. He was talking. His eyes were open. It didn't get in his eyes or anything like that."

It seems that:
1) the "victim" was the careless one
2) it was very minor.

Psycho Dad · 02-12-2006, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

I blame the Secret Service...

Clearly you are wrong. Bush arranged this to draw attention away from the war in Iraq.

ziadel · 02-12-2006, 03:24 PM

it's happened to me.

its not really a big deal, its just little lead pullets falling down on you.

about the worse thing that could happen is you getting one stuck in your eye, and I mean stuck in your eye, not shot in your eye, a bottle of saline and your fine.

Coppertop · 02-12-2006, 03:30 PM

Please refrain from placing any assumptions upon me. I simply pointed out that your assertion that Cheney didn't really shoot the man is blatantly false. Cheney indeed shot him, as your 3rd post even states. I never said it was intentional or serious - but thanks for the unnecessary hunting lesson.

Borla · 02-12-2006, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Coppertop

Please refrain from placing any assumptions upon me. I simply pointed out that your assertion that Cheney didn't really shoot the man is blatantly false. Cheney indeed shot him, as your 3rd post even states. I never said it was intentional or serious - but thanks for the unnecessary hunting lesson.

I asked two questions, but made no assumptions of you.

You did completely leave out the balance of my sentence about how "most people would imagine when reading the headline" though.

Coppertop · 02-12-2006, 03:37 PM

Sorta the same way you never did answer my original question, eh?

Borla · 02-12-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Coppertop

Sorta the same way you never did answer my original question, eh?

Sorta how you skirted mine?

Pot, kettle?

If you actually research the actual instance, you'll see that the guy didn't practice proper safety/ettiquette while hunting, and had a few pellets hit him that didn't even make him disoriented or do more than draw a bit of blood. So I'd say it's not what Cheney did, but what the guy did. And since no REAL harm came from it, I don't see why it's an issue. *shrug*

alansmithee · 02-12-2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ubertuber

It's not the first time - Aaron Burr shot and killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel while Vice President under Thomas Jefferson. Burr served the rest of his time and was never tried or convicted for killing Hamilton.

What he did afterwards is almost too bizarre to recount, including trying to lead a secret army to make Texas a nation.

I could be wrong, but I always thought that after killing Hamilton, Burr actually fled the country.

Elphaba · 02-12-2006, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by clavus

This is another sad example of the liberal, communist, anti-gun, left-wing, Castro-loving media trying to make our dear leaders look bad. I'm sure the terrorists are laughing right now because we are even discussing this. Well laugh all you want, because the heroes at FOX are reporting the truth - this guy was an Islamic insurgent.

We need to ask ourselves, why isn't our politicians aiming.

Actually, I'm a registered member of the Anti-Old-Farts-With-Guns lobby. If you can't tell the difference between quail and your hunting mate, time to turn in the keys to your car. Or something like that.

Elphaba · 02-12-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by clavus

We need to ask ourselves, why isn't our politicians aiming.

Clavus, it took me a moment.

Cynthetiq · 02-12-2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

Jesus. Just unbelievable.

what you don't believe that accidents can happen?

I understand from previous discussions that you don't like the idea that guns exist. People have accidents with vehicles, tools and sharp objects all the time? Should those be outlawed too?

Charlatan · 02-12-2006, 04:26 PM

Actually... this was all staged to show just what the Administration feels about their donors... Beholden to the money? Not on your life!

ubertuber · 02-12-2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Burr was later charged with murder in New York and New Jersey, but was never tried in either jurisdiction. He escaped to South Carolina, where his daughter lived with her family, but soon returned to Washington, D.C. to complete his term of service as Vice President. He presided over the Samuel Chase impeachment trial with the "impartiality of an angel and the rigor of a devil." Burr's heartfelt farewell speech in March 1805 moved some of his harshest critics in the Senate to tears.

/threadjack

I'm with Cyn on this one - accidents happen, though this is conspicuously embarrassing if you are the VP of the US.

alansmithee · 02-12-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ubertuber

/threadjack

I'm with Cyn on this one - accidents happen, though this is conspicuously embarrassing if you are the VP of the US.

Hmm, that's different from what I've always believed. Learn something new every day.

Rodney · 02-12-2006, 05:45 PM

To me, the big issue was that the guy who got shot -- who headed off on his own and didn't keep the other posted on where he was headed -- was 78.

I'm not qualified to say whether or not a 78-year-old should be hunting. I can say that most people _I_ know of that age should _not_ be roaming around in the woods where guns are going off. The most I'll say: the veep might have kept in mind that maybe 'Ol Harry couldn't handle himself like he usta. Further than that, I won't play politics in this case.

msh58 · 02-12-2006, 06:26 PM

i'd feel worse if he shot donner or blitzen. Or Santa himself, just went ahead and blew santa away with birdshot. and liked it.

Tophat665 · 02-12-2006, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

Maybe as Bush jr. finished Bush sr's work, Cheney is hoping to finishe the work of Aaron Burr. He has a few more years in office but that's no reason to start planing for the Texas war of seccession.

War? I don't think so. Don't let the door hit you in the patootie on the way out more like.

JumpinJesus · 02-12-2006, 06:53 PM

Apparently, wearing bright orange safety vests while hunting just makes it easier for the other hunters to shoot you.

Rodney · 02-12-2006, 07:15 PM

...Besides, Cheney isn't the first member of this administration to have an unfortunate sporting accident. Bush fell off his Segway ;-).

Elphaba · 02-12-2006, 09:55 PM

I thought he fell off his bicycle.

biznatch · 02-12-2006, 10:49 PM

Cool thing to tell your grandchildren, 50 Cent style. "I got shot in the face.....by the Vice President!"

pan6467 · 02-12-2006, 11:22 PM

I see so for those who do not think this is a big deal and harmless..... when you are 78 can I shoot you, like that and see how harmless and funny you think it is?

I feel sorry for Cheney and the man. I'm sure it was an accident but that is a horrendous thing to happen. Thank God, it wasn't more serious, and the man seems to be doing well.

The sad thing is the Right blow it off as nothing and the Left seem to find humor in it..... Rodney was the only one who didn't play partisanship.

pan6467 · 02-12-2006, 11:29 PM

As for Burr and Hamilton it was a duel (which was legal at the time). They had been great friends at one time.

Here ya go to put the debate to end:

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After completing his duties as Vice President in 1805, Burr entered into a conspiracy to wrest the lands west of the Mississippi River from Spain; these intrigues included the Louisiana Purchase.

link: http://www.nps.gov/jeff/LewisClark2/...onBurrDuel.htm

Suave · 02-12-2006, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by clavus

This is another sad example of the liberal, communist, anti-gun, left-wing, Castro-loving media trying to make our dear leaders look bad. I'm sure the terrorists are laughing right now because we are even discussing this. Well laugh all you want, because the heroes at FOX are reporting the truth - this guy was an Islamic insurgent.

We need to ask ourselves, why isn't our politicians aiming.

Haha. Watch that you don't accidentally poke a hole in your cheek with that sharp tongue of yours.

ratbastid · 02-13-2006, 04:00 AM

This was Cheney's way of letting congress know what would happen to them if they got in the administration's way. Dick the Enforcer will show up at your office door, wearing bright orange, toting a shotgun.

Destrox · 02-13-2006, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

Jesus. Just unbelievable.

Maybe we read two different articles, but I fail to see where your comment can even remotely apply....

It was an accident, shit happens.

n0nsensical · 02-13-2006, 04:09 AM

I love the pictures of Cheney that have been up on the major news sites for this story.
Can you imagine this man wielding a shotgun?

highthief · 02-13-2006, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodney

To me, the big issue was that the guy who got shot -- who headed off on his own and didn't keep the other posted on where he was headed -- was 78.

I'm not qualified to say whether or not a 78-year-old should be hunting. I can say that most people _I_ know of that age should _not_ be roaming around in the woods where guns are going off. The most I'll say: the veep might have kept in mind that maybe 'Ol Harry couldn't handle himself like he usta. Further than that, I won't play politics in this case.

Cheney is 65 I think. At what point should people's right to hunt or bear arms be revoked, if that's the concern?

flat5 · 02-13-2006, 04:37 AM

Frankly, I wish Cheney was shot.

Gore Vidal wrote a book on Burr that I really enjoyed.
http://www.ereader.com/product/detail/16243

---
A hero of the American Revolution, Aaron Burr (1756-1836) served as vice president under Thomas Jefferson, took the life of Alexander Hamilton in a duel in 1804, and was later tried for treason when Jefferson accused him of plotting to make an empire of his own in the western territories.

Told partly by Aaron Burr at the end of his long life and partly by a young journalist in whom Burr confides, this brilliantly imagined memoir, based on fact, is an enormously engaging work of fiction that treats the political intrigues of the new United States as if they were today's headlines.
---

I have no idea how accurate it is.

02-12-2006, 01:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
highthief Junkie Location: Ontario, Canada	If it wasn't so unfunny that some poor sap got hurt by this, I'd laugh, y'know? __________________ Si vis pacem parabellum.

02-12-2006, 01:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
Elphaba Deja Moo Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA	Cheney Shoots Donor in Hunting Accident It seems that if Cheney didn't have bad luck, he would have no luck at all. http://www.cnn.com/ Details are still coming in, so I haven't posted the article at this moment. __________________ "You can't ignore politics, no matter how much you'd like to." Molly Ivins - 1944-2007

02-12-2006, 01:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
Borla Junkie	From an article I read, it was merely some pellets that sprayed him from some bird shot. He didn't really "shoot" him like most people would imagine when reading the headline. But I'm sure our media is going to take it and run, run run. __________________ Coimhéad fearg fhear na foighde!!!!

02-12-2006, 02:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
clavus pow! Location: NorCal	This is another sad example of the liberal, communist, anti-gun, left-wing, Castro-loving media trying to make our dear leaders look bad. I'm sure the terrorists are laughing right now because we are even discussing this. Well laugh all you want, because the heroes at FOX are reporting the truth - this guy was an Islamic insurgent. We need to ask ourselves, why isn't our politicians aiming. __________________ Ass, gas or grass. Nobody rides for free.

02-12-2006, 02:13 PM	#7 (permalink)
Brewmaniac Searching for the perfect brew!	Lock him up! LOL I shouldn't laugh the poor guy has got to be hurting. Cheney is the joke! __________________ "That's a joke... I say, that's a joke, son" Last edited by Brewmaniac; 02-12-2006 at 02:23 PM..

02-12-2006, 02:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	I blame the Secret Service... __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

02-12-2006, 02:22 PM	#9 (permalink)
ubertuber spudly Location: Ellay	It's not the first time - Aaron Burr shot and killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel while Vice President under Thomas Jefferson. Burr served the rest of his time and was never tried or convicted for killing Hamilton. What he did afterwards is almost too bizarre to recount, including trying to lead a secret army to make Texas a nation. __________________ Cogito ergo spud -- I think, therefore I yam

02-12-2006, 03:24 PM	#14 (permalink)
ziadel Myrmidon Location: In the twilight and mist.	it's happened to me. its not really a big deal, its just little lead pullets falling down on you. about the worse thing that could happen is you getting one stuck in your eye, and I mean stuck in your eye, not shot in your eye, a bottle of saline and your fine. __________________ Ron Paul '08 Vote for Freedom Go ahead and google Dr. Ron Paul. You'll like what you read.

02-12-2006, 03:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
Coppertop Getting Medieval on your ass Location: 13th century Europe	Please refrain from placing any assumptions upon me. I simply pointed out that your assertion that Cheney didn't really shoot the man is blatantly false. Cheney indeed shot him, as your 3rd post even states. I never said it was intentional or serious - but thanks for the unnecessary hunting lesson.

02-12-2006, 03:37 PM	#17 (permalink)
Coppertop Getting Medieval on your ass Location: 13th century Europe	Sorta the same way you never did answer my original question, eh?

02-12-2006, 04:26 PM	#23 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Actually... this was all staged to show just what the Administration feels about their donors... Beholden to the money? Not on your life! __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

02-12-2006, 05:45 PM	#26 (permalink)
Rodney Observant Ruminant Location: Rich Wannabe Hippie Town	To me, the big issue was that the guy who got shot -- who headed off on his own and didn't keep the other posted on where he was headed -- was 78. I'm not qualified to say whether or not a 78-year-old should be hunting. I can say that most people _I_ know of that age should _not_ be roaming around in the woods where guns are going off. The most I'll say: the veep might have kept in mind that maybe 'Ol Harry couldn't handle himself like he usta. Further than that, I won't play politics in this case.

02-12-2006, 06:26 PM	#27 (permalink)
msh58 Crazy	i'd feel worse if he shot donner or blitzen. Or Santa himself, just went ahead and blew santa away with birdshot. and liked it.

02-12-2006, 06:53 PM	#29 (permalink)
JumpinJesus Junkie Location: Chicago	Apparently, wearing bright orange safety vests while hunting just makes it easier for the other hunters to shoot you. __________________ "I can normally tell how intelligent a man is by how stupid he thinks I am" - Cormac McCarthy, All The Pretty Horses

02-12-2006, 07:15 PM	#30 (permalink)
Rodney Observant Ruminant Location: Rich Wannabe Hippie Town	...Besides, Cheney isn't the first member of this administration to have an unfortunate sporting accident. Bush fell off his Segway ;-).

02-12-2006, 09:55 PM	#31 (permalink)
Elphaba Deja Moo Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA	I thought he fell off his bicycle. __________________ "You can't ignore politics, no matter how much you'd like to." Molly Ivins - 1944-2007

02-12-2006, 10:49 PM	#32 (permalink)
biznatch Junkie Location: France	Cool thing to tell your grandchildren, 50 Cent style. "I got shot in the face.....by the Vice President!"

02-12-2006, 11:22 PM	#33 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	I see so for those who do not think this is a big deal and harmless..... when you are 78 can I shoot you, like that and see how harmless and funny you think it is? I feel sorry for Cheney and the man. I'm sure it was an accident but that is a horrendous thing to happen. Thank God, it wasn't more serious, and the man seems to be doing well. The sad thing is the Right blow it off as nothing and the Left seem to find humor in it..... Rodney was the only one who didn't play partisanship. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

02-13-2006, 04:00 AM	#36 (permalink)
ratbastid Darth Papa Location: Yonder	This was Cheney's way of letting congress know what would happen to them if they got in the administration's way. Dick the Enforcer will show up at your office door, wearing bright orange, toting a shotgun.

02-13-2006, 04:09 AM	#38 (permalink)
n0nsensical Junkie Location: San Francisco	I love the pictures of Cheney that have been up on the major news sites for this story. Can you imagine this man wielding a shotgun? __________________ "Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded." --Abraham Lincoln

02-13-2006, 04:37 AM	#40 (permalink)
flat5 Very Insignificant Pawn Location: Amsterdam, NL	Frankly, I wish Cheney was shot. Gore Vidal wrote a book on Burr that I really enjoyed. http://www.ereader.com/product/detail/16243 --- A hero of the American Revolution, Aaron Burr (1756-1836) served as vice president under Thomas Jefferson, took the life of Alexander Hamilton in a duel in 1804, and was later tried for treason when Jefferson accused him of plotting to make an empire of his own in the western territories. Told partly by Aaron Burr at the end of his long life and partly by a young journalist in whom Burr confides, this brilliantly imagined memoir, based on fact, is an enormously engaging work of fiction that treats the political intrigues of the new United States as if they were today's headlines. --- I have no idea how accurate it is.