Sgoilear

Rather then nail a specific age down why not simply require a vision test? Yes, I'm aware of the additional expense and time this would require. Once you vision is below a certain standard no more hunting for you, similar to the way vision has to be checked when renweing a driver's license.

That being said accidents happen.

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Poppinjay

He was sending a message to Scooter.

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Bill O'Rights

Kinda like Fredo's "fishing trip"?

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AVoiceOfReason

This to me is as big a deal as if Al Gore or Fritz Mondale had done something like that--which is to say "no big deal beyond the fact that someone is in the hospital with pellet wounds." Accidents are called that for a reason--otherwise, they'd be "purposes."

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StanT

Cheney shot a Republican donor and a lawyer?

I have a new found respect for him.

I can see the headlines; "Cheney aims for Quayle, hits lawyer".


Sorry for the threadjack, back to the topic.

BigBen

You try that shit in Canada, you can hang your hunting hat up for a long fucking time...

surely fines, possible criminal charges, and your hunting privledges suspended for a calendar year.

Let's see:
Careless Use of a Firearm
Pointing a Firearm

That is just off the top of the Canada Criminal Code!

Accident or no, he would be in real trouble up here. Real Big Trouble.

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stevo

Now I'm not real big on canadian law, but what are you supposed to do with a firearm if its illegal to point it?

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Poppinjay

We really shouldn't be surprised. This is an administration that went after Osama Bin Laden and shot the wrong country.

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Charlatan

Comedy gold...

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ratbastid

/bows "We are not worthy!"


Edit: Except for this. Turns out shooting is only one of <a href="http://pics.livejournal.com/flummoxicated/pic/0001rrt8/">the Ten Ways Dick Cheney can Kill You</a>.

meembo

I heard on the radio this morning that the guy Cheney shot benefitted from the fact that Cheney travels with a medical team that can give him almost instant help if need be (because of his heart problems).
"Sorry I shot you! Here -- you can use my ambulance!"

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BigBen

It is obviously illegal to point it at a person...

You don't have that law in the US?

/ben gets a little bit afraid of visiting the US...

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filtherton

I hear they're claiming executive privelidge.

msh58

hope he hunts often hitting that trigger mowing down whatever is in his way, fire at will with a rambo yell and bring it to the white house, bring that war home.

actually would like to see cheney running things rather than bush, hope he mows him down now that he's tasted blood.

CandleInTheDark

I'm pretty sure that 'pointing' has to be purposeful. If I'm holding my weapon in a safe position while checking the chamber, and someone walks in front of me, how is that I committed an offence?

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roachboy

you know, as much as i detest dick cheney, until i find out more about this (which assumes that i care enough about it to look for more) i'm going to pass on rendering judgement.

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asaris

I doubt there's going to be any consequences about this. It doesn't seem like anything Cheney did was criminal, and I doubt the guy is going to press a civil suit. I'm relatively sure (without any evidence, however) that the US has some law about careless use of a firearm, even if it just fits as a specific type of assault. But I doubt Cheney was careless enough for his culpability to be criminal.

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mojodragon

Now that's a guy's guy, right there! All of his future press conferences should go nice and smoothly from now on. What's that? Illegal wiretapping? Back off, or you might get a face full of lead! Have we ever had such a high ranking leader shoot someone in the face? I mean, besides Bill Clinton, of course

Superbelt

Ok, from what I've read, this guy is in critical condition.
That's more than some shot hitting you.
This guy was hit in the head and neck.

Seems, from what I've read so far, it was more or less a semi-direct hit when Cheney did a 180 and fired. That, by the way, is a huge no-no when hunting in groups. This accident was completely Cheney's fault. It is ALWAYS your duty to make sure noone else is in your line of fire before you shoot. Noone elses.

If I ever did that with my father-in-law, he would never allow me to hunt with him again, or ever on any of his properties.

That is the height of irresponsibilty.

(And all that without delving into what most likely was a canned shoot).

MSD

Big trouble because someone walked in fornt of him, out of sight, without warning, and accidentally got shot? The careless one here was teh guy who got shot, not the one with the gun.

Superbelt

"came up from behind the vice president" He is BEHIND the Veep. Veep turns around and shoots. Doesn't matter that the guy didn't signal. (it is very stupid of him) If you turn from your field, it's your duty to make sure the area is clear.

splck

I agree the victim was careless, but the guy that pulled the trigger is at fault. I can't believe some people think it's the victims fault...you guys would be scary to hunt with

*always know your target and what's behind it before you shoot*...and no spinning 180 and then shooting.

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Marvelous Marv

I just want to know if we can arrange for Teddy Kennedy to go hunting with Cheney.

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Marvelous Marv

Breaking news: Cheney sent a $7 check for a duck stamp.

I guess some members of Congress will have to back off the plans they were making to indict him for that horrendous crime.

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connyosis

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/com...ck_060213a.wmv

The daily show strikes again...

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That's too hilarious.

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billege

I just love this whole discussion.

If we needed more evidence that our nation's political feelings are blinding common sense, this should do the trick. Even otherwise smart people are just blantently ignoring reality in favor of thier political views. That's just cool! I mean, in a tragic way, but hilarious none-the-less.

Check it out:

Being shot with a shotgun in the face is not "getting shot with a shotgun in the face" if you call it "being sprayed with little bits of led."

That's so kick-ass. I mean, the last time I fired bird shot at a target, I called it "shooting." At the same time, I followed what I'd been taught to avoid "shooting" someone else. If only the PD range instructors had known that since it was "birdshot" not "bullets," and it would "spray" someone, maybe we could have taken off the vests, goggles, and earplugs. Heck, it's not even dangerous! Then again, the target we "sprayed" at close range looked "devestated" but that's becuase no one told it that the "spray" of "little bits of lead" were not such a big deal.

Better yet, we're seeng semantic discussion on what getting shot with a shotgun really means. Apparently, if you're shot with a shotgun in the face, with the right ammo, it's just cool! You go to the ER, you get some band-aids, and you're fine!

Let me repeat that: semantic discussion on what is, or is not, getting shot in the face by a shotgun at close range. Not downrange, not "waaaay over there" but at close range.

Best yet, and I just love this part, it's not the guy who pulled the trigger's fault. That is the icing on the cake. If you're behind a shooter, and they spin 180 and fire, and somehow fail to notice the person standing there, it's your bad for not saying "hey, I"m behind you, don't shoot me." That is...classic.

Let's pretend this was Joe Blowme who shot his pal Elmo on a Kentucky hunting trip and it made the news because "Joe Blowme" was a funny name. I promise you, the LAST thing we'd be doing is stuggling to re-define "shooting in teh face at close range with a shotgun" as somthing that's no big deal.

Bottom line:
It sounds like it was an accident. A stupid one. A damn stupid one. The victim should live.

Because 50% of the population thinks this administration can do no harm, AND 50% of the population thinks this administration can do no right, it's what it is now.

A big joke for anyone that can step back and say "what a fucked up situation."

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That was, by far, the funniest thing i've seen so far this year.

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Paq

you know

to me, this is honestly up there with a guy getting a bj from someoen other than his wife...

but can you actually impeach cheney..

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stevo

As long as Cheney drives...

In all seriousness, though, I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than driving with Ted Kennedy any day of the week.

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samcol

I think that's the key point, if it's an accurate report, that shows it was not the victims fault (it sounds funny even considering if it was the the victims fault). You never break that line.

james t kirk

Well you know what Cheney always did say, "Guns don't kill people, People kill people"

Oh, um, ya, I guess that's not a good example right now is it....

james t kirk

Unless of course you use a gun to rob a variety store, then you get 30 days and probation and are out on Yonge Street on boxing day and you can go ahead and shoot innocent 15 year old girls.

That my friend is the Canadian Justice system.

Sorry to hijack the thread.....

To quote John Stewart, "Duck, it's Dick"

james t kirk

To steal a line from mrbuck1200.....

"Cheney's got a Gun"
"Cheney's got a Gun"
"His whole world's come undone"
"Better up and run"
"What did the old neocon do"
"What did he put you through"

Everybody sing.......

BigBen

Can anyone tell me the last time a politician shot someone?

I am just curious.

Rules:

They must have pulled the trigger.

They must have hit the other person with at least one piece of lead.

They must have been an elected official at the time the trigger was pulled.

Do we have to go all the way back to the days of duels to find a comparison? If so, Chaney is One Bad Motherfucker.

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Charlatan

The funniest thing about this whole situation is watching the various factions jockey for position on how to defend or defame Cheney...

You Americans (I am being a generalist here so don't get your panties in a bunch) are seriously fucked up.

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Poppinjay

No kidding.

However, I would like to point out that America is the #1 retirement destination of fomer Canadian PMs.

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BigBen

A little bit of pee came out when I saw the "Duck Hunt" portion of the Daily Show bit. Fuck me, I love to laugh.

Accidents happen; Hopefully people will learn from this very public mistake.

ACTS

A- Assume every firearm is loaded

C- Control the direction of the muzzle

T- Trigger: Keep your finger off the trigger

S- See: Visually inspect the chamber and muzzle. PROVE IT SAFE.


PROVE

P- Point the weapon in a safe direction

R- Remove all ammunition.

O- Observe the chamber, ensuring no ammunition is left

V- Verify that there is nothing in feeding path.

E- Examine the bore for obstructions.


There will be a closed book exam on Friday.

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Coppertop

Exacty the point I was trying to make. Thank you for being more succinct.

pan6467

AHEM post #33

It does say something very sad about our country when a 78 yr. old man gets shot in the face and people joke about it (partisanly), then you have those "Oh well it's nothing" and it continues.

There is a point when partisanship has to give way and you have to show some fucking compassion and say, "I truly hope the 78 yr. old man is ok."

I'm sorry when you are 78 there ain't nothing minor. Colds can lead to pneumonia real fast, cuts can get infected real fast, and so on because no matter how "healthy a 78 yr old" you are, you're body's recovery is still very slow.

Right now, I am disgusted for my party, and for my talking heads. I find this humor callous, evil and just irresponsible.

And for the Right who want to act like it was nothing and play psuedo machomen... let me blast you in your face like that see how YOU like it and how harmless it truly is.

Go figure me sticking up for Cheney and ripping my party......

I'm not trying to be Holier than thou, I just don't like the hypocrasy I am seeing. I became a Democrat because the party is supposed to be compassionate and caring FOR ALL EQUALLY and here they are lowering themselves to GOP style humor, tactics and a true lack of compassion.

For the love of God it's a 78 yr old man, I find nothing humorous in any of it. Let the GOP make the jokes, show people the Democratic party doesn't need to belittle oursleves and lower our selves to such high school humor. Fucking stand up for what is right and show compassion and caring about the man.

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