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Sweetpea · 02-02-2006, 11:54 AM

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...8_farm16m.html

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Videotapes show bestiality, Enumclaw police say

By Jennifer Sullivan

Seattle Times staff reporter

KEN LAMBERT / THE SEATTLE TIMES

A TV cameraman was among those scrutinizing an Enumclaw-area farm yesterday. Authorities were investigating reports of bestiality after the death of a Seattle man.
archive: Enumclaw-area animal-sex case investigated

ENUMCLAW — Authorities are reviewing hundreds of hours of videotapes seized from a rural Enumclaw-area farm that police say is frequented by men who engage in sex acts with animals.

The videotapes police have viewed thus far depict men having sex with horses, including one that shows a Seattle man shortly before he died July 2, said Enumclaw police Cmdr. Eric Sortland. Police are reviewing the tapes to make sure no laws have been broken.

"Activities like these are often collateral sexual crimes beyond the animal aspect," said Sortland, adding that investigators want to make sure crimes such as child abuse or forcible rape were not occurring on the property.

Washington is one of 17 states that does not outlaw bestiality. Police are also investigating the farm and the two men who live on the property to determine whether animal cruelty — which is a crime — was committed by forcing sex on smaller, weaker animals. Investigators said that in addition to horses, they have found chickens, goats and sheep on the 40-acre property northwest of Enumclaw.

Officers talked with the two men, but neither has been arrested. Neither man could be reached yesterday for comment.

According to King County sheriff's spokesman John Urquhart, the farm is known in Internet chat rooms as a destination for people who want to have sex with livestock.

However, authorities didn't learn about the farm until a man drove up to Enumclaw Community Hospital on July 2 seeking medical assistance for a companion. Medics wheeled the man into an examination room before realizing he was dead. When hospital workers looked for the driver, he was gone.

Using the dead man's driver's license to track down relatives and acquaintances, authorities were led to the Enumclaw farm. Some earlier reports had said hospital-surveillance cameras were used to track down the driver.

The dead man was identified as a 45-year-old Seattle resident. According to the King County Medical Examiner's Office, he died of acute peritonitis due to perforation of the colon. The man's death is not being investigated because it did not result from a crime, Urquhart said.

The Seattle man's relatives said yesterday they never suspected he was involved in bestiality. They said they were surprised when they learned he had purchased a Thoroughbred stallion earlier this year. The man told his relatives he boarded the animal with some friends in Enumclaw.

While the man's relatives were unsure how many horses he had boarded at the property, one Enumclaw neighbor said the Seattle man was keeping two stallions there.

Police and neighbors said the people renting the property have also had dogs and bull calves on the farm. Yesterday there were several horses and ponies grazing near a barn.

Two neighbors, a married couple who declined to allow use of their names, said yesterday they had no idea what had been going on at the farm. They said they've known one of the men who live on the farm for years.

On Thursday, police showed the couple videotape seized from the farm showing men having sex with horses. The couple identified one of the horses as belonging to them, Sortland said. The couple also said it appeared at least part of the tape was filmed in their barn, which left them shocked and angry.

"We couldn't believe what we were seeing," said Sortland. "In the rare, rare case this happens, it's the person doing the animal. I think that has led to the astonishment of all of the entities involved."

Thursday night, in reaction to the man's death, Susan Michaels, co-founder of Pasado's Safe Haven, posted a letter on the local animal-rights organization's Web site calling for people to e-mail legislators in an attempt to change state laws.

"This [the death] gives us credence of getting a bestiality law passed," said Michaels. "It's not natural for animals to do this."

State Sen. Pam Roach, R-Auburn, said she plans to draft legislation as early as next week making bestiality illegal in Washington.

"This is just disgusting," Roach said yesterday. "It's against the law to harm children; it should be against the law to violate an animal." Jennifer Sullivan: 206-464-8294 or jensullivan@seattletimes.com

Pasado's Safe Haven, which is an animal rehabilitation sanctuary that also works on animal rights bills is an amazing organization and i have volunteered there for the past several summers.

On their website, they speak about the above story noting:

http://www.pasadosafehaven.org/LEGIS...iality_Law.htm

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• Zoophilia is a recognized sexual pathology by the psychiatric community
• It is a common precursor (or joint sexual proclivity) with child sexual abuse
• Zoophiles” fall in the same recognized Psychiatric Sexual Disorder genre’ as pedophiles, necrophiles (corpses), asphixiaphiles (suffocation), etc.
• Their predilection begins at the same time (in puberty) and is treated by the same psychiatric sexual predator treatment protocols
• In all cases, these people view their targets as ‘less significant’ than they.”

I was horrified to learn that it is not against the law to rape an animal in Washington state nor in thse 25 other U.S. states:

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Alaska
Arizona
Colorado
Connecticut
Florida
Hawaii
Iowa
Kentucky
Louisiana
Missouri
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
Ohio
Oregon
South Dakota
Texas
Vermont
Washington
West Virginia
Wyoming

Pasado's Safe Haven is currently working on passing Senate Bill 6417 will make it a ranked Class V "C" Felony for those convicted of zoophilia, and i fully support this bill.

This 'farm' is about an hour from where i live... ugh. I consider myself an open minded person sexually... however, the raping of animals is something i find horriffic.

sweetpea

Marvelous Marv · 02-02-2006, 12:35 PM

Hey, whatever two consenting adults want to do in the privacy of their own barn...

The_Jazz · 02-02-2006, 12:46 PM

I know that this is serious, but I still can't help giggling at it just a little. Seriously, anyone who didn't see this coming deserves to be removed from the gene pool.

Obviously, given that he was the, um, receiver, makes it a bit different since the horse isn't being harmed. A chicken, goat or pig makes a big difference in the level of humor that I find in this. Maybe I'm to jaded and callous, but I guess that the 15 year old boy in me is still alive and well.

Halx · 02-02-2006, 12:48 PM

I wouldn't be able to be reached for comment either!

Sweetpea · 02-02-2006, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Halx

I wouldn't be able to be reached for comment either!

sweetpea

martinguerre · 02-02-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Marvelous Marv

Hey, whatever two consenting adults want to do in the privacy of their own barn...

at the risk of being obvious...

An animal is not a consenting adult.

TexanAvenger · 02-02-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Jazz

Maybe I'm to jaded and callous, but I guess that the 15 year old boy in me is still alive and well.

It took me a second to switch gears from that article to this response and read it as practicing pedo- but not necrophilia.

My gut reaction to this is that it's a horrible travesty against nature, but I know others who would say homosexuality is the same thing, and I don't think that is. I want to be open-minded enough to not be outright disgusted as a reaction, but I can only bring myself to look at this as a mental affliction (like necro- or pedophila).

Willravel · 02-02-2006, 01:09 PM

There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say to himself, "No, I won't make sweet love to a horse." Aparenlty, that point never came for the above mentioned.

I'm from California, and we DO have laws against beastiality. I do not understand why these states don't have laws against animal rape. This is disgusting and shocking, and I don't say that very often.

BadNick · 02-02-2006, 01:13 PM

That is quite strange human behavior and if the animals were hurt or distressed, I would be even more concerned.

I see NJ on the list with no prohibitions. 40yrs ago when I was 16 and working my first ever summer job between high school sessions, one of the full time guys working at this place and a strange place it was ...good old Moe... every Monday he used to tell us about driving over to some farms in South Jersey to hit on sheep. According to him, the sheep seemed to like it and used to scuffle among themselves for the #1 place in line. Of course I never actually saw this but it was quite an awakening for a young kid still in high school.

A local news story from around here in the suburban Philadelphia area, just within the last couple years, involved a guy who was caught having sex with horses.

Sex sure seems to be an extremely strong driving force, even strange sex.

pig · 02-02-2006, 01:33 PM

Man oh man - taking your bud to the hospital because he just got his ass cored out by a horse? That must be one hell of a ride, no pun intended.

I don't see any parallel between homosexuality or polygamy - where two consenting human adults are involved, and fucking a horse. How could you look the cop in the eye and say "yeah, i fuck horses. ain't against the law. sure is fun."

icky icky foo.

CSflim · 02-02-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanAvenger

My gut reaction to this is that it's a horrible travesty against nature, but I know others who would say homosexuality is the same thing, and I don't think that is. I want to be open-minded enough to not be outright disgusted as a reaction, but I can only bring myself to look at this as a mental affliction (like necro- or pedophila).

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Originally Posted by martinguerre

at the risk of being obvious...

An animal is not a consenting adult.

The difference between homosexuality, which some people find disgusting and others don't, and bestiality, which some people find disgusting and others don't, is that homosexuality involves two consenting adults and bestaility doesn't...a horse is unable to give consent.

CSflim · 02-02-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say to himself, "No, I won't make sweet love to a horse." Aparenlty, that point never came for the above mentioned.

That's very true!

Sweetpea · 02-02-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CSflim

The difference between homosexuality, which some people find disgusting and others don't, and bestiality, which some people find disgusting and others don't, is that homosexuality involves two consenting adults and bestaility doesn't...a horse is unable to give consent.

exactly! thanks for making that point so eloquently!

sweetpea

Cynthetiq · 02-02-2006, 02:16 PM

reminds me of the Edward Albee play The Goat or Who is Sylvia?

very odd, but sometimes that was life is, very odd.

Elphaba · 02-02-2006, 02:19 PM

Am I the only one that can't quite figure out how the horse was forced to enter the man? Who would think a law was needed to prevent something like that?

Ustwo · 02-02-2006, 02:41 PM

When a dog humps my leg, is he raping me?

Based on the size and weight of a horse, you can't force a horse to have sex with you, it MUST consent.

Sure its disgusting, but I think calling it rape is a bit silly.

There are women who's dogs are trained to mount them, obviously the dog there consents, should that really be illegal?

What I'm getting at is that if you want to make things that are unnatural 'illegal' you must define what is unnatural. I see very little difference between this and the homosexual argument. You have someone deciding what you can and can't do sexually based on what they think is wrong. You can go with the consent angle, but again, is it ok if the animal 'initiates' it, such as a dog humping your leg?

Willravel · 02-02-2006, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

Based on the size and weight of a horse, you can't force a horse to have sex with you, it MUST consent.

If you're going to make a claim like this then you have to make the semantic argument about the word 'consent'. Does a horse have the cognative ability to approve of any actions? Pardon the following as it is graphic, but necessary. If a man is raped, it is entirely possible that he will gain an erection, but at the same time will have not consented. Some women acheive sexual climax while being raped, but that does not mean that there was consention. Horses are strong and large, but there is no way you can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that the animal consented just because the depraved act happened. Do we know the specific circumstances of the occourances? No. Do we know if the horse was drugged or bound in any way? No.

I need to go read the bible or something. This is too gross.

ngdawg · 02-02-2006, 02:55 PM

While NJ doesn't have bestiality laws, they have animal cruelty laws and have arrested and charged people with violating animals.
To that particular story, all I can say is 'ew! ew!' and 'YEOUCH'! What a stupid way to die.....

NoSoup · 02-02-2006, 02:59 PM

Although this is a fairly creepy situation as a whole, I would like to throw my two cents in...

In this case in particular, I suppose that the horse was, in fact, consenting. Granted, I don't agree with it in either case, but the horse wasn't damaged. I don't even know if it would be possible to force a horse to force itself on you.

Wow, I didn't really think that I would ever write anything like that last sentance...

clavus · 02-02-2006, 03:02 PM

Doctor, it hurts when I do THIS.

(sticks giant horse cock in ass)

Hmmm...maybe you shouldn't do that.

pig · 02-02-2006, 03:08 PM

ummm...if I find an incredibly gorgeous woman, who is also mentally challenged and has limited capacity to make her own decisions and says "yes" to any question I ask her...am I free to ask her "can I have sex you?" and pending the "yes" hop on break it down? I would compare that level of consent to the type of consent that a horse can provide in this circumstance.

how about child molestation? a child can give consent, but does it mean anything in this sense?

and me, i'd feel pretty bad about having sex with a mentally challenged girl, who technically consented. i think i might even feel like i'd raped her.

I really just can't see equating horsefucking, in any sense, with fucking a person of the same sex, or multiple people at once...

CSflim · 02-02-2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by clavus

Doctor, it hurts when I do THIS.

(sticks giant horse cock in ass)

Hmmm...maybe you shouldn't do that.

Muahahahahahaha!

That's awful. And hilarious!

The_Jazz · 02-02-2006, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say to himself, "No, I won't make sweet love to a horse." Aparenlty, that point never came for the above mentioned.

Something else occurred to me - not only did this guy not know to say no to making sweet love to a horse, he had a friend that he apparently discussed it with. And then the friend said, "you know what, that IS a good idea. Let me help out." Not to belittle this situation too much, but does that make the other guy the assistant horse raper?

I'm sorry, but I still can't help laughing at this, even though I heard this story 3 months ago. It's definitely a Darwin Award winner.

Slippery Slope · 02-02-2006, 03:19 PM

The guy would have been available for comment...but he was feeling a little hoarse...

sorry.

Elphaba · 02-02-2006, 03:33 PM

Groan......

Psycho Dad · 02-02-2006, 03:41 PM

I was just listening to a Dave Attell bit on the radio this morning where he said "The horse is a beautiful beast, and you know that you always have a ride home afterwards."

Sweetpea · 02-02-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pigglet

ummm...if I find an incredibly gorgeous woman, who is also mentally challenged and has limited capacity to make her own decisions and says "yes" to any question I ask her...am I free to ask her "can I have sex you?" and pending the "yes" hop on break it down? I would compare that level of consent to the type of consent that a horse can provide in this circumstance.

how about child molestation? a child can give consent, but does it mean anything in this sense?

and me, i'd feel pretty bad about having sex with a mentally challenged girl, who technically consented. i think i might even feel like i'd raped her.

I really just can't see equating horsefucking, in any sense, with fucking a person of the same sex, or multiple people at once...

yes indeed, thank you for clarifying so well

The Point is... can an animal consent? i think... No.

Also... i would like to point out:

that this Particular case was a man being penetrated by the horse... HOWEVER... a fair amount of the cases are people actually being the ones to penetrate... we're talking forcible rape of cats, dogs, chickens, ponies, horses... the list goes on etc.

sweetpea

thesupermikey · 02-02-2006, 06:47 PM

on the topic of no laws against thing,

i wonder if this is b/c that sex with animals fell under the sodomy laws that have been over turned the last 20 years, and may state governments never got around to passing laws that prohibited this.

viejo gringo · 02-02-2006, 07:12 PM

Clavus--this is (snicker snicker) serious---glad you folks have
not seen the video---I know you would not believe it then..

what a dumb ass.....

Ustwo · 02-02-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

If you're going to make a claim like this then you have to make the semantic argument about the word 'consent'. Does a horse have the cognative ability to approve of any actions? Pardon the following as it is graphic, but necessary. If a man is raped, it is entirely possible that he will gain an erection, but at the same time will have not consented. Some women acheive sexual climax while being raped, but that does not mean that there was consention. Horses are strong and large, but there is no way you can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that the animal consented just because the depraved act happened. Do we know the specific circumstances of the occourances? No. Do we know if the horse was drugged or bound in any way? No.

I need to go read the bible or something. This is too gross.

Can it be safe to say a dog who humps your leg is giving 'consent'?

I don't know about men who get hard ons or women who have orgasms while being raped. I can tell you I wouldn't have one, and based on what its like to get women to orgasm I find that very far fetched as well. I on the other hand have worked around horses quite a bit, I used to be a championship rider back in my youth, and I'll tell you if a horse doesn't want to walk 2 feet, you are not going to force it. Likewise you are not going to force it in any way to fuck you unless it so desires at some level. Its sick, but no more sick than what some consenting adults do.

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Originally Posted by pigglet

ummm...if I find an incredibly gorgeous woman, who is also mentally challenged and has limited capacity to make her own decisions and says "yes" to any question I ask her...am I free to ask her "can I have sex you?" and pending the "yes" hop on break it down? I would compare that level of consent to the type of consent that a horse can provide in this circumstance.

how about child molestation? a child can give consent, but does it mean anything in this sense?

and me, i'd feel pretty bad about having sex with a mentally challenged girl, who technically consented. i think i might even feel like i'd raped her.

I really just can't see equating horsefucking, in any sense, with fucking a person of the same sex, or multiple people at once...

The difference between this and your examples are the fact that yours involve humans. Animals are under different laws. If you want to kill your pets you can, if done in a 'humane' way. Live stock is slaughtered and eaten and we wear their skin. As long as the animal wasn't hurt, what harm was done to it? Does it feel violated and unclean in the animal kingdom? Does it no longer enjoy sex with other horses due to the trauma? Animals are not retarded people, nor do we treat them as such in any case but apparently this.

This is an interesting subject to play devils advocate on as it shows even the most tolerant of people become intolerant once they find their 'ick' factor.

martinguerre · 02-02-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ustwo

I don't know about men who get hard ons or women who have orgasms while being raped. I can tell you I wouldn't have one, and based on what its like to get women to orgasm I find that very far fetched as well.

A brief survey of survivor stories would indicate to you that both those occurances are indeed possible (often due to chemical coercion), although not entirely common.

Nisses · 02-03-2006, 03:00 AM

Martin: even though that is entirely possible, it does nothing to change ustwo's point.

I can't understand how people go on this "consent"-diatribe where animals are concerned...

They're animals, not humans, they have a will of their own, and their definition of 'sick' is... They DON'T have one, they're animals!

martinguerre · 02-03-2006, 05:08 AM

nisses...i don't all that much care what ustwo thinks about bestiality. but i thought it right to set the record straight about the nature of rape between humans...to my mind a more serious issue.

Ustwo · 02-03-2006, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by martinguerre

nisses...i don't all that much care what ustwo thinks about bestiality. but i thought it right to set the record straight about the nature of rape between humans...to my mind a more serious issue.

I'll tell you anyways in case ya miss it, think its pretty disgusting and in this case down right bizarre but I find the arguments against it presented here very weak.

connyosis · 02-03-2006, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by viejo gringo

Clavus--this is (snicker snicker) serious---glad you folks have
not seen the video---I know you would not believe it then..

what a dumb ass.....

Oh man, I watched it and laughed my ass off. Grosses me out? Hell yeah, but the sheer stupidity of letting a horse fuck you up the ass is just too much. (Maybe I was in shock, I dunno...)

connyosis · 02-03-2006, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

...Likewise you are not going to force it in any way to fuck you unless it so desires at some level...

You know this from personal experience or...?

Crack · 02-03-2006, 06:07 AM

I once tried to DL a music video off of Kazaa, (yeah I know...) and instead I got what looked like a man fucking a chicken.
Jerking off while watching it was extremely difficult, but hell, I had already had it downloaded, and I figured... ehh..whatever.

I Keeed, I keeeeeed! (about the second part)

Ustwo · 02-03-2006, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by connyosis

You know this from personal experience or...?

Do you shave with that wit?

pig · 02-03-2006, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

The difference between this and your examples are the fact that yours involve humans. Animals are under different laws. If you want to kill your pets you can, if done in a 'humane' way. Live stock is slaughtered and eaten and we wear their skin. As long as the animal wasn't hurt, what harm was done to it? Does it feel violated and unclean in the animal kingdom? Does it no longer enjoy sex with other horses due to the trauma? Animals are not retarded people, nor do we treat them as such in any case but apparently this.

Ok, couple of quickies:

1. I'm going to set up a "humane pet killin" station in my backyard. I'm going to the humane society, get dogs and cats that are slated to be euthanized, take them home, and humanely kill the everliving fuck out of them. I'm going to sit back and see how long I get away with it before my ass is in serious trouble. I'm pretty sure I'll get popped on some animal cruelty laws, regardless of whether or not I can prove that the animals feel no pain, even if they were going to be dead in a day or two regardless.

2. As for the lifestock killing vs. livestock fuckin part, I'm going to go with we have to eat, or else we die. We've evolved to eat meat, and some would claim that we should and could avoid eating animal flesh to feed ourselves. Regardless, eating stuff is pretty necessary for life, period. Fucking horses, or being fucked in the ass by a horse, I believe, may constitute a more difficult argument to convince an unbiased individual of its necessity.

"I was horny, your honor, and the horse was there."

"Why didn't you jack off?"

"Well, I mean, I was horny, and it was a horse, and I wanted to take that popeye powered pud straight up the gizzard. duh!!"

I mean, I guess different strokes for different folks, but I'm putting horsefucking on the strict list of shit that I'm pretty ok with being illegal. I'm going to have a harder time making homosexual acts or (gasp!!!) group sex illegal. You know, some people do seem to think that fucking is strictly supposed to be between one man and one woman, so if there was anyone on this board who was into the swinger scene and group sex, and if someone showed up at the next orgy with their partner Domino Dusts the Corncrop, I suppose that person would be ok, morally and ethically, with tagteaming some hot little tramp, while the guy next to him took the 4 in. diameter shaft of a purebred right in the steamer?

As for consent, do we prosecute animals for murder when they trample or maul the shit out of people? Do we convict mosquitos of "blood theft"? Neightbor's dog shits a squiggly pyramid in your yard...goes to jail for public defecation? I mean, they all consented to what I would assume would be crimes if a person did them?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that people should be tried for the crime of horse raping, but I think horse fucking would be a pretty good start. Whatever it takes to make them stop...short of ripping a hole in their ass that kills them.

AngelicVampire · 02-03-2006, 12:00 PM

Provided the animal wasn't hurt or distressed by the action why should it be illegal? Ok its not my thing but if you have an animal that is willing to perform an action is it not consent? A lot of animals have ways of saying they don't consent... my dogs for example, they don't like their food so they scatter it all over the place and leave an empty bowl at the door... seems like a pretty good hint about something, to treat animals as totally dumb is silly, ok my dogs can't talk but they are far from dumb.

02-02-2006, 12:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
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02-02-2006, 01:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
pig pigglet pigglet Location: Locash	Man oh man - taking your bud to the hospital because he just got his ass cored out by a horse? That must be one hell of a ride, no pun intended. I don't see any parallel between homosexuality or polygamy - where two consenting human adults are involved, and fucking a horse. How could you look the cop in the eye and say "yeah, i fuck horses. ain't against the law. sure is fun." icky icky foo. __________________ You don't love me, you just love my piggy style

02-02-2006, 02:16 PM	#14 (permalink)
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02-02-2006, 02:41 PM	#16 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	When a dog humps my leg, is he raping me? Based on the size and weight of a horse, you can't force a horse to have sex with you, it MUST consent. Sure its disgusting, but I think calling it rape is a bit silly. There are women who's dogs are trained to mount them, obviously the dog there consents, should that really be illegal? What I'm getting at is that if you want to make things that are unnatural 'illegal' you must define what is unnatural. I see very little difference between this and the homosexual argument. You have someone deciding what you can and can't do sexually based on what they think is wrong. You can go with the consent angle, but again, is it ok if the animal 'initiates' it, such as a dog humping your leg? __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

02-02-2006, 12:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	I know that this is serious, but I still can't help giggling at it just a little. Seriously, anyone who didn't see this coming deserves to be removed from the gene pool. Obviously, given that he was the, um, receiver, makes it a bit different since the horse isn't being harmed. A chicken, goat or pig makes a big difference in the level of humor that I find in this. Maybe I'm to jaded and callous, but I guess that the 15 year old boy in me is still alive and well.

02-02-2006, 01:09 PM	#8 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say to himself, "No, I won't make sweet love to a horse." Aparenlty, that point never came for the above mentioned. I'm from California, and we DO have laws against beastiality. I do not understand why these states don't have laws against animal rape. This is disgusting and shocking, and I don't say that very often.

02-02-2006, 01:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	That is quite strange human behavior and if the animals were hurt or distressed, I would be even more concerned. I see NJ on the list with no prohibitions. 40yrs ago when I was 16 and working my first ever summer job between high school sessions, one of the full time guys working at this place and a strange place it was ...good old Moe... every Monday he used to tell us about driving over to some farms in South Jersey to hit on sheep. According to him, the sheep seemed to like it and used to scuffle among themselves for the #1 place in line. Of course I never actually saw this but it was quite an awakening for a young kid still in high school. A local news story from around here in the suburban Philadelphia area, just within the last couple years, involved a guy who was caught having sex with horses. Sex sure seems to be an extremely strong driving force, even strange sex.

02-02-2006, 02:19 PM	#15 (permalink)
Elphaba Deja Moo Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA	Am I the only one that can't quite figure out how the horse was forced to enter the man? Who would think a law was needed to prevent something like that?

02-02-2006, 02:55 PM	#18 (permalink)
ngdawg peekaboo Location: on the back, bitch	While NJ doesn't have bestiality laws, they have animal cruelty laws and have arrested and charged people with violating animals. To that particular story, all I can say is 'ew! ew!' and 'YEOUCH'! What a stupid way to die..... __________________ Don't blame me. I didn't vote for either of'em.

02-02-2006, 02:59 PM	#19 (permalink)
NoSoup Non-Rookie Location: Green Bay, WI	Although this is a fairly creepy situation as a whole, I would like to throw my two cents in... In this case in particular, I suppose that the horse was, in fact, consenting. Granted, I don't agree with it in either case, but the horse wasn't damaged. I don't even know if it would be possible to force a horse to force itself on you. Wow, I didn't really think that I would ever write anything like that last sentance... __________________ I have an aura of reliability and good judgement. Just in case you were wondering...

02-02-2006, 03:02 PM	#20 (permalink)
clavus pow! Location: NorCal	Doctor, it hurts when I do THIS. (sticks giant horse cock in ass) Hmmm...maybe you shouldn't do that. __________________ Ass, gas or grass. Nobody rides for free.

02-02-2006, 03:08 PM	#21 (permalink)
pig pigglet pigglet Location: Locash	ummm...if I find an incredibly gorgeous woman, who is also mentally challenged and has limited capacity to make her own decisions and says "yes" to any question I ask her...am I free to ask her "can I have sex you?" and pending the "yes" hop on break it down? I would compare that level of consent to the type of consent that a horse can provide in this circumstance. how about child molestation? a child can give consent, but does it mean anything in this sense? and me, i'd feel pretty bad about having sex with a mentally challenged girl, who technically consented. i think i might even feel like i'd raped her. I really just can't see equating horsefucking, in any sense, with fucking a person of the same sex, or multiple people at once... __________________ You don't love me, you just love my piggy style

02-02-2006, 03:19 PM	#24 (permalink)
Slippery Slope Crazy	The guy would have been available for comment...but he was feeling a little hoarse... sorry.

02-02-2006, 03:33 PM	#25 (permalink)
Elphaba Deja Moo Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA	Groan......

02-02-2006, 03:41 PM	#26 (permalink)
Psycho Dad Mulletproof Location: Some nucking fut house.	I was just listening to a Dave Attell bit on the radio this morning where he said "The horse is a beautiful beast, and you know that you always have a ride home afterwards." __________________ Don't always trust the opinions of experts.

02-02-2006, 06:47 PM	#28 (permalink)
thesupermikey I got blisters on me fingers!!! Location: In my stressless expectation free zone.	on the topic of no laws against thing, i wonder if this is b/c that sex with animals fell under the sodomy laws that have been over turned the last 20 years, and may state governments never got around to passing laws that prohibited this. __________________ If you are not outraged than you are not paying attention! "Reality has a well-known liberal bias" - Steven Colbert

02-02-2006, 07:12 PM	#29 (permalink)
viejo gringo Registered User Location: Deep South Texas	Clavus--this is (snicker snicker) serious---glad you folks have not seen the video---I know you would not believe it then.. what a dumb ass.....

02-03-2006, 03:00 AM	#32 (permalink)
Nisses Shade Location: Belgium	Martin: even though that is entirely possible, it does nothing to change ustwo's point. I can't understand how people go on this "consent"-diatribe where animals are concerned... They're animals, not humans, they have a will of their own, and their definition of 'sick' is... They DON'T have one, they're animals! __________________ Moderation should be moderately moderated.

02-03-2006, 05:08 AM	#33 (permalink)
martinguerre whosoever Location: New England	nisses...i don't all that much care what ustwo thinks about bestiality. but i thought it right to set the record straight about the nature of rape between humans...to my mind a more serious issue. __________________ For God so loved creation, that God sent God's only Son that whosoever believed should not perish, but have everlasting life. -John 3:16

02-03-2006, 06:07 AM	#37 (permalink)
Crack Misanthropic Location: Ohio! yay!	I once tried to DL a music video off of Kazaa, (yeah I know...) and instead I got what looked like a man fucking a chicken. Jerking off while watching it was extremely difficult, but hell, I had already had it downloaded, and I figured... ehh..whatever. I Keeed, I keeeeeed! (about the second part) __________________ Crack, you and I are long overdue for a vicious bout of mansex. ~Halx

02-03-2006, 12:00 PM	#40 (permalink)
AngelicVampire Insane	Provided the animal wasn't hurt or distressed by the action why should it be illegal? Ok its not my thing but if you have an animal that is willing to perform an action is it not consent? A lot of animals have ways of saying they don't consent... my dogs for example, they don't like their food so they scatter it all over the place and leave an empty bowl at the door... seems like a pretty good hint about something, to treat animals as totally dumb is silly, ok my dogs can't talk but they are far from dumb.