Sex With Horse = Death
 

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...8_farm16m.html




Pasado's Safe Haven, which is an animal rehabilitation sanctuary that also works on animal rights bills is an amazing organization and i have volunteered there for the past several summers.

On their website, they speak about the above story noting:

http://www.pasadosafehaven.org/LEGIS...iality_Law.htm

I was horrified to learn that it is not against the law to rape an animal in Washington state nor in thse 25 other U.S. states:
Pasado's Safe Haven is currently working on passing Senate Bill 6417 will make it a ranked Class V "C" Felony for those convicted of zoophilia, and i fully support this bill.

This 'farm' is about an hour from where i live... ugh. I consider myself an open minded person sexually... however, the raping of animals is something i find horriffic.


sweetpea

Hey, whatever two consenting adults want to do in the privacy of their own barn...

I know that this is serious, but I still can't help giggling at it just a little. Seriously, anyone who didn't see this coming deserves to be removed from the gene pool.

Obviously, given that he was the, um, receiver, makes it a bit different since the horse isn't being harmed. A chicken, goat or pig makes a big difference in the level of humor that I find in this. Maybe I'm to jaded and callous, but I guess that the 15 year old boy in me is still alive and well.

I wouldn't be able to be reached for comment either!

:lol: :lol:

sweetpea

at the risk of being obvious...

An animal is not a consenting adult.

It took me a second to switch gears from that article to this response and read it as practicing pedo- but not necrophilia.

My gut reaction to this is that it's a horrible travesty against nature, but I know others who would say homosexuality is the same thing, and I don't think that is. I want to be open-minded enough to not be outright disgusted as a reaction, but I can only bring myself to look at this as a mental affliction (like necro- or pedophila).

There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say to himself, "No, I won't make sweet love to a horse." Aparenlty, that point never came for the above mentioned.

I'm from California, and we DO have laws against beastiality. I do not understand why these states don't have laws against animal rape. This is disgusting and shocking, and I don't say that very often.

That is quite strange human behavior and if the animals were hurt or distressed, I would be even more concerned.

I see NJ on the list with no prohibitions. 40yrs ago when I was 16 and working my first ever summer job between high school sessions, one of the full time guys working at this place and a strange place it was ...good old Moe... every Monday he used to tell us about driving over to some farms in South Jersey to hit on sheep. According to him, the sheep seemed to like it and used to scuffle among themselves for the #1 place in line. Of course I never actually saw this but it was quite an awakening for a young kid still in high school.

A local news story from around here in the suburban Philadelphia area, just within the last couple years, involved a guy who was caught having sex with horses.

Sex sure seems to be an extremely strong driving force, even strange sex.

Man oh man - taking your bud to the hospital because he just got his ass cored out by a horse? That must be one hell of a ride, no pun intended.

I don't see any parallel between homosexuality or polygamy - where two consenting human adults are involved, and fucking a horse. How could you look the cop in the eye and say "yeah, i fuck horses. ain't against the law. sure is fun."

icky icky foo.

The difference between homosexuality, which some people find disgusting and others don't, and bestiality, which some people find disgusting and others don't, is that homosexuality involves two consenting adults and bestaility doesn't...a horse is unable to give consent.

:lol: That's very true!

exactly! thanks for making that point so eloquently! :)

sweetpea

reminds me of the Edward Albee play The Goat or Who is Sylvia?

very odd, but sometimes that was life is, very odd.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...goatposter.jpg

Am I the only one that can't quite figure out how the horse was forced to enter the man? Who would think a law was needed to prevent something like that? :(

When a dog humps my leg, is he raping me?

Based on the size and weight of a horse, you can't force a horse to have sex with you, it MUST consent.

Sure its disgusting, but I think calling it rape is a bit silly.

There are women who's dogs are trained to mount them, obviously the dog there consents, should that really be illegal?

What I'm getting at is that if you want to make things that are unnatural 'illegal' you must define what is unnatural. I see very little difference between this and the homosexual argument. You have someone deciding what you can and can't do sexually based on what they think is wrong. You can go with the consent angle, but again, is it ok if the animal 'initiates' it, such as a dog humping your leg?

If you're going to make a claim like this then you have to make the semantic argument about the word 'consent'. Does a horse have the cognative ability to approve of any actions? Pardon the following as it is graphic, but necessary. If a man is raped, it is entirely possible that he will gain an erection, but at the same time will have not consented. Some women acheive sexual climax while being raped, but that does not mean that there was consention. Horses are strong and large, but there is no way you can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that the animal consented just because the depraved act happened. Do we know the specific circumstances of the occourances? No. Do we know if the horse was drugged or bound in any way? No.

I need to go read the bible or something. This is too gross.

While NJ doesn't have bestiality laws, they have animal cruelty laws and have arrested and charged people with violating animals.
To that particular story, all I can say is 'ew! ew!' and 'YEOUCH'! What a stupid way to die.....

Although this is a fairly creepy situation as a whole, I would like to throw my two cents in...

In this case in particular, I suppose that the horse was, in fact, consenting. Granted, I don't agree with it in either case, but the horse wasn't damaged. I don't even know if it would be possible to force a horse to force itself on you.

Wow, I didn't really think that I would ever write anything like that last sentance...

Doctor, it hurts when I do THIS.

(sticks giant horse cock in ass)

Hmmm...maybe you shouldn't do that.

ummm...if I find an incredibly gorgeous woman, who is also mentally challenged and has limited capacity to make her own decisions and says "yes" to any question I ask her...am I free to ask her "can I have sex you?" and pending the "yes" hop on break it down? I would compare that level of consent to the type of consent that a horse can provide in this circumstance.

how about child molestation? a child can give consent, but does it mean anything in this sense?

and me, i'd feel pretty bad about having sex with a mentally challenged girl, who technically consented. i think i might even feel like i'd raped her.

I really just can't see equating horsefucking, in any sense, with fucking a person of the same sex, or multiple people at once...

Muahahahahahaha! :lol: That's awful. And hilarious! :lol:

Something else occurred to me - not only did this guy not know to say no to making sweet love to a horse, he had a friend that he apparently discussed it with. And then the friend said, "you know what, that IS a good idea. Let me help out." Not to belittle this situation too much, but does that make the other guy the assistant horse raper?

I'm sorry, but I still can't help laughing at this, even though I heard this story 3 months ago. It's definitely a Darwin Award winner.

The guy would have been available for comment...but he was feeling a little hoarse...

sorry.

Groan...... :)

I was just listening to a Dave Attell bit on the radio this morning where he said "The horse is a beautiful beast, and you know that you always have a ride home afterwards."

yes indeed, thank you for clarifying so well :)

The Point is... can an animal consent? i think... No.

Also... i would like to point out:

that this Particular case was a man being penetrated by the horse... HOWEVER... a fair amount of the cases are people actually being the ones to penetrate... we're talking forcible rape of cats, dogs, chickens, ponies, horses... the list goes on etc.

sweetpea

on the topic of no laws against thing,

i wonder if this is b/c that sex with animals fell under the sodomy laws that have been over turned the last 20 years, and may state governments never got around to passing laws that prohibited this.

Clavus--this is (snicker snicker) serious---glad you folks have
not seen the video---I know you would not believe it then..

what a dumb ass.....

Can it be safe to say a dog who humps your leg is giving 'consent'?

I don't know about men who get hard ons or women who have orgasms while being raped. I can tell you I wouldn't have one, and based on what its like to get women to orgasm I find that very far fetched as well. I on the other hand have worked around horses quite a bit, I used to be a championship rider back in my youth, and I'll tell you if a horse doesn't want to walk 2 feet, you are not going to force it. Likewise you are not going to force it in any way to fuck you unless it so desires at some level. Its sick, but no more sick than what some consenting adults do.


The difference between this and your examples are the fact that yours involve humans. Animals are under different laws. If you want to kill your pets you can, if done in a 'humane' way. Live stock is slaughtered and eaten and we wear their skin. As long as the animal wasn't hurt, what harm was done to it? Does it feel violated and unclean in the animal kingdom? Does it no longer enjoy sex with other horses due to the trauma? Animals are not retarded people, nor do we treat them as such in any case but apparently this.

This is an interesting subject to play devils advocate on as it shows even the most tolerant of people become intolerant once they find their 'ick' factor.

A brief survey of survivor stories would indicate to you that both those occurances are indeed possible (often due to chemical coercion), although not entirely common.

Martin: even though that is entirely possible, it does nothing to change ustwo's point.

I can't understand how people go on this "consent"-diatribe where animals are concerned...

They're animals, not humans, they have a will of their own, and their definition of 'sick' is... They DON'T have one, they're animals!

nisses...i don't all that much care what ustwo thinks about bestiality. but i thought it right to set the record straight about the nature of rape between humans...to my mind a more serious issue.

I'll tell you anyways in case ya miss it, think its pretty disgusting and in this case down right bizarre but I find the arguments against it presented here very weak.

Oh man, I watched it and laughed my ass off. Grosses me out? Hell yeah, but the sheer stupidity of letting a horse fuck you up the ass is just too much. (Maybe I was in shock, I dunno...)

You know this from personal experience or...?

I once tried to DL a music video off of Kazaa, (yeah I know...) and instead I got what looked like a man fucking a chicken.
Jerking off while watching it was extremely difficult, but hell, I had already had it downloaded, and I figured... ehh..whatever.

I Keeed, I keeeeeed! (about the second part)

Do you shave with that wit?

Ok, couple of quickies:

1. I'm going to set up a "humane pet killin" station in my backyard. I'm going to the humane society, get dogs and cats that are slated to be euthanized, take them home, and humanely kill the everliving fuck out of them. I'm going to sit back and see how long I get away with it before my ass is in serious trouble. I'm pretty sure I'll get popped on some animal cruelty laws, regardless of whether or not I can prove that the animals feel no pain, even if they were going to be dead in a day or two regardless.

2. As for the lifestock killing vs. livestock fuckin part, I'm going to go with we have to eat, or else we die. We've evolved to eat meat, and some would claim that we should and could avoid eating animal flesh to feed ourselves. Regardless, eating stuff is pretty necessary for life, period. Fucking horses, or being fucked in the ass by a horse, I believe, may constitute a more difficult argument to convince an unbiased individual of its necessity.

"I was horny, your honor, and the horse was there."

"Why didn't you jack off?"

"Well, I mean, I was horny, and it was a horse, and I wanted to take that popeye powered pud straight up the gizzard. duh!!"

I mean, I guess different strokes for different folks, but I'm putting horsefucking on the strict list of shit that I'm pretty ok with being illegal. I'm going to have a harder time making homosexual acts or (gasp!!!) group sex illegal. You know, some people do seem to think that fucking is strictly supposed to be between one man and one woman, so if there was anyone on this board who was into the swinger scene and group sex, and if someone showed up at the next orgy with their partner Domino Dusts the Corncrop, I suppose that person would be ok, morally and ethically, with tagteaming some hot little tramp, while the guy next to him took the 4 in. diameter shaft of a purebred right in the steamer?

As for consent, do we prosecute animals for murder when they trample or maul the shit out of people? Do we convict mosquitos of "blood theft"? Neightbor's dog shits a squiggly pyramid in your yard...goes to jail for public defecation? I mean, they all consented to what I would assume would be crimes if a person did them?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that people should be tried for the crime of horse raping, but I think horse fucking would be a pretty good start. Whatever it takes to make them stop...short of ripping a hole in their ass that kills them.

Provided the animal wasn't hurt or distressed by the action why should it be illegal? Ok its not my thing but if you have an animal that is willing to perform an action is it not consent? A lot of animals have ways of saying they don't consent... my dogs for example, they don't like their food so they scatter it all over the place and leave an empty bowl at the door... seems like a pretty good hint about something, to treat animals as totally dumb is silly, ok my dogs can't talk but they are far from dumb.

This, Ladies and Gentlemen, is natural selection in action.

I have no problem with people that want to be fucked in the ass - I have done it before now, and it was great.

I have no problem with those people being men - I have not been fucked in the ass, but I know guys that love it, and I am not going to tell them they're wrong.

I have a serious problem with a guy that looks at a horse's cock and thinks; "hey! that needs to be inside my colon" - a horse's cock is BIGGER than the inside of your colon, buddy.

It's just dumb.

Poor fuck.

1. If you followed all the local regulations and ordinances for animal killing and disposal then yes it would be allowed.

2. Your statement in my mind borders on the same logic for banning homosexuality. Fucking horses, or being fucked in the ass by a horse, I believe, may constitute a more difficult argument to convince an unbiased individual of its necessity. Replace horse with men/man.

That's the whole two (or more) consenting adults thing. If the arguments is "I can do anything with an animal I want to, as long as it doesn't feel pain and/or I'm 'humane' about it," then I would stipultate that this is not quite the truth. There are animal cruelty laws, particularly because they can't give legal consent, in so far as I know. As a society, we've allowed killing them for feeding purposes, I'm guessing because we view it as necessary for the most part. I don't think the same can be said for sexual congress with a horse. I don't think you can extend this argument to directly say that anything that is not strictly utilitarian for human existence is illegal - but I'm guessing that the question of whether its needed for our existence is a pretty important factor in how we shape our ethics around it.

Or maybe I'm wrong. I just had a girl I've been talking to sort of pitter out. I guess I'll feel better if I get all liquored up tonight and take my neighbor's dog for a little trip around the world. Thanks TFP for making my dissociated canine masturbation session feel A-OK :thumbsup:

/seriously, have a nice weekend all. I'm out.

In some states that are no longer considering ownership of animals versus guardianship, so you no longer OWN your cat, you are it's guardian, means that you speak for the behalf of the pet.

Not a far stretch to give consnet.

All I can say is "Hell yes..." I've got a fresh jar of smooth peanut butter, a couple of Milk Bones, some KY and 12 pack. This weekend is so going to kick ass. Here's to a much more relaxed pigglet on Monday.

So as nearly as I can see from this discussion, homosexual sex should be celebrated, but it's time to call the cops if your dog humps your leg.

All I need to know now is who the cops should arrest, and in what way the whole thing will be the fault of the Republicans and the new Supreme Court justices.

Sigh .... Marv, why here?

Don't feed the troll

if the horse is doing the humping... I'd call that consent.

A horse cannot consent, Period. It cannot consent to Sex, and it cannot consent to pulling a plow, wagon, or being saddled and rode. They call it breaking a horse for a reason. They are breaking the horse's spirit until it finally submits and lets people ride it. It's the same thing with Bull Riding, That bull is definitely NOT consenting, that's why he's trying to throw your ass off. Although Disgusting, I'd say having sex with it is far less harmful than working him like a slave.

If the horse can be considered raped, can it stand trial for manslaughter?

Can I say that the sheer fact that we are having to argue beliefs on this is a little disturbing to me?

I just can't imagine what could make a person want to have sexual relations with an animal. This isn't just any animal either (not that I'd be ok with another) but it's a horse. A big animal.

I don't know what the animal thinks or feels, but the mechanics are astounding. I'm surprised that the man even lived to get to the perforated colon part. I would have expected the horse to kick him in the head, or something along those lines.

Not as disturbing as someone (church, government, etc.) deciding what deviant sexual behavior is.

True. Very true.

It was an attempt to point out the illogic behind the whole "consent" discussion that was going on.

If I'd really wanted to stir the pot, I'd have asked how a fetus gives consent to be aborted. But I didn't want to threadjack.

Now, how about doing us a favor and stopping these petty personal attacks? You've already done that enough to get a thread or two closed. Isn't that enough for you?

Well if I'm not mistaken, a fetus isn't aware of it's surroundings nor feel pain until somewhere around the 28:th week, at which point abortion isn't allowed anymore. A horse/dog/cat/pidgeon is most likely pretty aware of what's going on.
[end threadjack]

But again, you are making a moral judgement...no different than people who oppose homosexuality on moral grounds. Your line at proper behavior ends at retards, children, and animals. Some people would also include same-sex relationships in that category.

What if the horse was killed humanely first, then someone had its way with it?

Ok...I've heard of beating a dead horse... :rolleyes:

I'm with Ustwo -- animals are not under the same laws as we are.

We don't sue animals for sexual harassment because rubbing their genitals along my leg made be uncomfortable.. and I repeatedly said NO.

Similarly, I own two horses and I agree that you ain't forcing a horse to do shit. Ever tried to push a horse somewhere it didn't want to go? Yea, fuck that.

However, whether the horse wanted it or not is really inconsequential. We treat animals humanely, not AS humans. If we did, I think a great many of us would starve to death.

funny thing is: i'm noticing that the people who own/ride horses are the ones who thing a little horse buggery is a fine thing...just sayin'

/only kidding.

.... umm..... uhh.... if that guy had family members that didnt like him.... they could bring this up for years to come. inlaws maybe. No hun i dont want to see your family for the holidays. why? remember that uncle you had that was fucked to death by a horse. oh man thats the sort of thing that will be remembered forever or never spoken of again. Bet his friend is going to spend some time thinking about that. what kinda freak wants to get fucked by a horse. the weirdest thing is he had a friend that must of been into animals too. you would think they would of just fucked eachother in a dark room and watched reruns of mr ed or something.

They probably STARTED that way - Mr Ed is gateway porn to having a horse fuck your guts out through your mouth.

BAN MR ED!!!!

[sigh]

Bestiality=homosexuality, yet again. If we say it enough, maybe that'll make it true.

Gilda

This is off-topic but I find this quite disturbing. According to pigglet, you can never have sex with a mentally challenged girl because we can never be sure if she's really consenting. Frankly, I find barring this girl from ever having sex even more cruel than "taking advantage" of her by giving her a good time...

Silly me. I forgot about the "don't feed the troll" rule. :rolleyes:

Well put, Pigglet.

I don't understand what you and others are trying to say here. It seems like everyone is so afraid to say bestiality is wrong because it would mean homosexuality is wrong. I'm sorry, but since when are laws made by humans the deciding factors in all world issues? We are not gods (regardless of what some of us would like to think). Take a look at the effects we've made on the world around us doing things that are legal (read: pollution, extinction, depleting natural resources and rich lands...I think you get the point). Honestly, I wouldn't quote laws in the US as reasons why bestiality is right. Laws can be changed and don't encompass everything.

Furthermore, there are people who believe that animals should not be killed for food or coats, and while, yes, animals can be killed in a humane way, why should it be our decision when other living beings on the planet live or die?
...And why, if we consider it "humane" to kill animals in pain and misery, is it inhumane to kill humans in the same or worse conditions?
I'm not trying to start a debate on that, but I'm trying to make a point that the law is really just about morals or opinions of the lawmaker at the time. There are many different opinions and outlooks on these things. Who can say which is correct? Laws get changed all the time.

I have to add that, a) You can't take away an animal's ability to get pleasure from sex becuase most animals don't get pleasure from sex.
b) Yeah, animals are not retarded people. That's true. But Homosexual people are not animals either. I really just don't think you can make a comparison between SANE, thinking individuals who can speak to us and either retarded people OR animals(who may not be insane, but have no way of communicating whether they want to have sex with us or not. Even if that male horse brought out his penis, who's to say he wanted to have sex with the man? Have any of you guys ever gotten an erection from a girl who you didn't actually have any desire to have sex with? The right stimulation can do wonders).


Which brings me to my next point: to whoever said that horses can't be forced to do anything. Um, yeah, maybe if you try to move a horse by leaning on it or something, but...if you can't force it to do anything, what do you think we're doing when riding and training them?
Just like humans, I'm pretty sure other animals can be coaxed into having sexual reactions from the right stimulation. Yet I'm pretty sure MOST horses don't go rushing over to mount human beings every time they see one. If they WERE consenting individuals who WANTED to have sex with the human, don't you think they might make the first moves once in a while? Don't you think someone would notice if horses were running around raping humans?

I don't generally think that B=H, but in this case (and only this case) there might well be an element of Homosexuality - it is a FAIRLY homosexual activity for a man to want to be fucked in the ass by a cock - although the issue here is coloured by the fact it was a horses cock, not a man's.

My real concern is that the guy thought is wa a good idea to put a very large item into his backside, and have it pushed in by an animal bred to pull a plough. Would anyone use a tractor to force a baseball bat up their ass?

Equinophobia at its saddest!
 

Isn't it yet clear to you Neanderthals? Events in this forum are proceeding at an uncontrolled gallop! Are you all so unbridled in your hatred as to not see your own intolerance? Copulation with farm mammals is firmly saddled within my (southern) culture and habits. I dare say most of you city slickers have never even seen a horse penis, much less tried one jammed into your colon. How dare you judge! You know what you are? You're a bunch of equinophobes!
Equinophobe!
Equinophobe!
Equinophobe!
Until you have friends who get fucked up the ass by horses or until you have lived among us and studied our horse-fucking rituals, you have no right to judge us.

knife, its not the mentally challenged part that's specifically germane, it's the part bolded...i mean that an appearance of "consent," where "consent" means not running for the hills like a screaming banshee, isn't necessarily the greenlight for getting your marvin gaye on.

so let me get this straight, so that i understand your position. you're dealing with someone who is either mentally challenged, or otherwise suffers from a psychological condition such that they answer "yes." to any question you ask them. you feel comfortable getting your swerve on with them? i'm not really sure that i feel that's appropriate. if i'm wrong, then hey - i guess i'll just have to disturb you with my "i'm going to shy away on the side of not raping the retarded girl" policy.

and hey aladin...
I'm guessing you might have a unique perspective on this subject. Are there any particular forms to these rituals to ensure consent? Do you just know when you look into those big milky brown eyes? They're just (excuse the pun) chomping at the bit? I've always shied away from people who fuck horses, I have to confess...but I'd be interested to know who it does down...errr...in....or you know, whatever.

ps. what part of the south are you referring to? please say not south carolina, please say not south carolina. :D

The fact that it's a horse's anything makes it outside the realm of sexual orientation.

Homosexuality is an attraction to other people of the same sex and sexual activity with people of the same sex.

Gilda

You've raised an interesting question. Your post makes me wonder:

"Is homosexuality dependent on the species of your love interest?"

Does a man that has sex only with female animals, or a woman who has sex with male ones consider herself "straight and zoophilic" - are men who screw female animals more or less likely to allow a male animal to penetrate them?

I made an assumption (that in the light of your post now seems naive) that allowing a male animal to analy penetrate a man was in some way within the same realm as homosexuality - but only because it didn't occur to me to wonder that it was unrelated.

So - people (and any typing animals out there ;)) - what do you think? Does bestial sex take account of the human sexual orientation of the people involved?

Could a woman who is gay with humans think it OK to allow an animal to penetrate her sexually?

I really don't know. Do you?

[puts Daniel on ignore]

Gilda

Perhaps the dude with the blown-apart bum didn't know a horse often has a rather sizable dink? Maybe his human buddy told him he was hung like a horse and just assumed horses were that size. He had his back turned and probably never saw it coming. :)

I suppose it isn't illegal but that's a moot point now. The immoral and stupid act was punished enough and should act as a deterrent for all but the biggest assholes. :)

As a straight man I find the though of sex with another male about as desirable as sex with a horse. I might even learn to the horse if I was forced to make a choice.

That being said I don't think too many people here would consider the ethical question the same. The only real link is can you legislate peoples sexuality, and there the link between homosexuality and this does come into play. This is the 'ick' factor, and there is a thread about it in sexuality.

Dissapointment
 

I had too... and maybe that's part of the reason I'm bringing this thread back from hell and allowing it to continue a little more.

As you're always welcome to do, two members PM'ed me regarding this thread and felt misrepresented. Taking their argument to heart, I can't help but feel there's some "clearing the air" that needs to go on... which I'm mostly bothering to support because it may help change the tenor in this thread.

Let me say this, though:

Whatever opinions you hold about homosexuality are your own. I, as we expect others to here at the TFP, respect your decision to form and hold your opinion of it, even as I may disagree with you (I find it perfectly normal, some here find it to be wrong, etc).

It is fine to debate and discuss your opinions, but you will not use or allow your opinions of a group to mock or bash that group here on the TFP. And equating beastiality to homosexuality is flatly unacceptable. If you have a problem with that, PM me and we can discuss why you think comparing the two is ok.

So now it's back open... maybe someone can save this thread from bringing down the whole board.

- analog.

For the record.

I think that bestiality is not very nice, and am glad that it's illegal in England.

I think homosexuality is perfectly acceptable.

I don't believe that sex with animals is in any way related to homosexuality.

I'm sorry if anyone took offense at anything I wrote in this thread.

The original news story demonstrates that the man involved had what seems to me a pathological sexuality that led to his own demise.

Please feel free to PM me if you feel I did anything to upset you personally.

Thanks.

Homosexuality and bestiality are the same only in that they are both a deviation from the sexual behavior practiced by most people. And I am guessing that it is a fact that most people, of whatever orientation, do not engage in bestiality. I believe sexual play that includes anal penetration is incorrectly identified as being synonymous with homosexuality. Lots of men, gay and straight, enjoy anal stimulation.

My previous post in this thread was an attempt to demonstrate an absurdity by being absurd. People often use an argument to support their position that goes something like this:
Bob says that since Joe has never experienced X, Joe has no right to discuss X. Likewise, Bob resorts to the cultural relativism argument, saying Joe "cannot judge" X because X is part of Bob's culture and Joe is not within that culture. Also, Bob will resort to name-calling ("Equinophobe!"), which is no argument at all. His is an attempt to redirect the discussion to the mental state of Joe, but it does nothing to advance the debate.

What if it's a talking horse, like Mr. Ed?

Which incidentally brings us to the amount that entire argument made sense.

About as much as a talking horse.

WHEW.....At least its illegal in Mississippi....I was gettin worried lol....too many rednecks here for that ;)

-Will

my opinion... sex with animals = gross.

Link

Since we're not supposed to post without commenting, I'm just going to say that there is an excellent chance that their "kids" (har, har) will be ugly.

That's my opinion, and I'm sticking with it.

If this is the same case I think it is (I don't know of any other people dying recently due to...horses.) then there are more circumstances than the article posts shows.

For one, he was depressed and began doing this after his wife died. His friend apparently helped him and this was NOT his first night doing it. They had been doing this quite a few times and video taped it. The actual video tape of this is on the internet as well if you're REALLY interested in finding it (I'm not helping).

The horse mounted the MAN, not the other way around (I saw it confused once or twice). They did it in the same way you'd get a shot out of a stallion, which is basically a horse mounting bar, where the horse jumps up on a bar (so as not to damage the breeder) and does his thing (which takes all of 10 - 20 seconds).

In this case however, the guy who was supposed to be holding this gigantic horse penis in check (to make sure it didn't go too deep)...slipped. The horse got anxious, horny, whatever, and popped it in a bit further than what any human has room for internally. And that, is what happened and how it happens.

And no...I do not own/want/rent/buy/like bestiallity, this particular...death...just fascinated me.

Holy shit, where are you getting these details?

I am resurrecting this thread because of a show I stumbled across a couple of days ago.

Imagine my unbridled (har, har) joy when I turned on the Discovery Channel to something called "Dirty Jobs." The host was tasked with completing both ends of artificially inseminating a horse! I gotta tell ya, I was high-fiving myself when I saw what the show was about.

So they had this structure that the stud horse put his forelegs on, and they hold in front of the horse what was called an "artificial vagina." Either it didn't look much like a real one, or I've been doing things WAYYY wrong.

Anyway, the horse starts humping it, and the host, with some difficulty, hangs on to it. End result: A baggie with about a half cup of semen in it. Street value: $25,000. Oh, I forgot to tell you: The first time he did it, the cameraman screwed up. They took the horse for a walk around the barn. When he came back in, he walked over to the structure, put his forelegs on it again, and waited for the artificial vagina, which he proceeded to fill up again. No WONDER he's called a stud!

So if he can't consent, does that mean the host is guilty of a sex crime? Conviction would be a lock, since it was on national TV, even though that horse looked pretty damn eager.

Oh, and the mare they inseminated: Was she raped?

Now this, this is why I come here. Where else are the really meaningful questions asked of the universe at large? :hmm:

I agree. It's ridiculous. Which, of course, was my point in regard to "lack of consent."

As you might recall, my earliest post referred to "consenting adults," and the hairsplitting crew argued about what the meaning of "consent" is.