Daniel_

This, Ladies and Gentlemen, is natural selection in action.

I have no problem with people that want to be fucked in the ass - I have done it before now, and it was great.

I have no problem with those people being men - I have not been fucked in the ass, but I know guys that love it, and I am not going to tell them they're wrong.

I have a serious problem with a guy that looks at a horse's cock and thinks; "hey! that needs to be inside my colon" - a horse's cock is BIGGER than the inside of your colon, buddy.

It's just dumb.

Poor fuck.

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Cynthetiq

1. If you followed all the local regulations and ordinances for animal killing and disposal then yes it would be allowed.

2. Your statement in my mind borders on the same logic for banning homosexuality. Fucking horses, or being fucked in the ass by a horse, I believe, may constitute a more difficult argument to convince an unbiased individual of its necessity. Replace horse with men/man.

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pig

That's the whole two (or more) consenting adults thing. If the arguments is "I can do anything with an animal I want to, as long as it doesn't feel pain and/or I'm 'humane' about it," then I would stipultate that this is not quite the truth. There are animal cruelty laws, particularly because they can't give legal consent, in so far as I know. As a society, we've allowed killing them for feeding purposes, I'm guessing because we view it as necessary for the most part. I don't think the same can be said for sexual congress with a horse. I don't think you can extend this argument to directly say that anything that is not strictly utilitarian for human existence is illegal - but I'm guessing that the question of whether its needed for our existence is a pretty important factor in how we shape our ethics around it.

Or maybe I'm wrong. I just had a girl I've been talking to sort of pitter out. I guess I'll feel better if I get all liquored up tonight and take my neighbor's dog for a little trip around the world. Thanks TFP for making my dissociated canine masturbation session feel A-OK

/seriously, have a nice weekend all. I'm out.

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Cynthetiq

In some states that are no longer considering ownership of animals versus guardianship, so you no longer OWN your cat, you are it's guardian, means that you speak for the behalf of the pet.

Not a far stretch to give consnet.

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pig

All I can say is "Hell yes..." I've got a fresh jar of smooth peanut butter, a couple of Milk Bones, some KY and 12 pack. This weekend is so going to kick ass. Here's to a much more relaxed pigglet on Monday.

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Marvelous Marv

So as nearly as I can see from this discussion, homosexual sex should be celebrated, but it's time to call the cops if your dog humps your leg.

All I need to know now is who the cops should arrest, and in what way the whole thing will be the fault of the Republicans and the new Supreme Court justices.

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Elphaba

Sigh .... Marv, why here?

clavus

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Menoman

if the horse is doing the humping... I'd call that consent.

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Reese

A horse cannot consent, Period. It cannot consent to Sex, and it cannot consent to pulling a plow, wagon, or being saddled and rode. They call it breaking a horse for a reason. They are breaking the horse's spirit until it finally submits and lets people ride it. It's the same thing with Bull Riding, That bull is definitely NOT consenting, that's why he's trying to throw your ass off. Although Disgusting, I'd say having sex with it is far less harmful than working him like a slave.

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hulk

If the horse can be considered raped, can it stand trial for manslaughter?

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Babes

Can I say that the sheer fact that we are having to argue beliefs on this is a little disturbing to me?

I just can't imagine what could make a person want to have sexual relations with an animal. This isn't just any animal either (not that I'd be ok with another) but it's a horse. A big animal.

I don't know what the animal thinks or feels, but the mechanics are astounding. I'm surprised that the man even lived to get to the perforated colon part. I would have expected the horse to kick him in the head, or something along those lines.

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Psycho Dad

Not as disturbing as someone (church, government, etc.) deciding what deviant sexual behavior is.

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True. Very true.

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Marvelous Marv

It was an attempt to point out the illogic behind the whole "consent" discussion that was going on.

If I'd really wanted to stir the pot, I'd have asked how a fetus gives consent to be aborted. But I didn't want to threadjack.

Now, how about doing us a favor and stopping these petty personal attacks? You've already done that enough to get a thread or two closed. Isn't that enough for you?

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connyosis

Well if I'm not mistaken, a fetus isn't aware of it's surroundings nor feel pain until somewhere around the 28:th week, at which point abortion isn't allowed anymore. A horse/dog/cat/pidgeon is most likely pretty aware of what's going on.
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alansmithee

But again, you are making a moral judgement...no different than people who oppose homosexuality on moral grounds. Your line at proper behavior ends at retards, children, and animals. Some people would also include same-sex relationships in that category.

stevo

What if the horse was killed humanely first, then someone had its way with it?

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Bill O'Rights

Ok...I've heard of beating a dead horse...

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I'm with Ustwo -- animals are not under the same laws as we are.

We don't sue animals for sexual harassment because rubbing their genitals along my leg made be uncomfortable.. and I repeatedly said NO.

Similarly, I own two horses and I agree that you ain't forcing a horse to do shit. Ever tried to push a horse somewhere it didn't want to go? Yea, fuck that.

However, whether the horse wanted it or not is really inconsequential. We treat animals humanely, not AS humans. If we did, I think a great many of us would starve to death.

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pig

funny thing is: i'm noticing that the people who own/ride horses are the ones who thing a little horse buggery is a fine thing...just sayin'

/only kidding.

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Plaid13

.... umm..... uhh.... if that guy had family members that didnt like him.... they could bring this up for years to come. inlaws maybe. No hun i dont want to see your family for the holidays. why? remember that uncle you had that was fucked to death by a horse. oh man thats the sort of thing that will be remembered forever or never spoken of again. Bet his friend is going to spend some time thinking about that. what kinda freak wants to get fucked by a horse. the weirdest thing is he had a friend that must of been into animals too. you would think they would of just fucked eachother in a dark room and watched reruns of mr ed or something.

Daniel_

They probably STARTED that way - Mr Ed is gateway porn to having a horse fuck your guts out through your mouth.

BAN MR ED!!!!

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[sigh]

Bestiality=homosexuality, yet again. If we say it enough, maybe that'll make it true.

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KnifeMissile

This is off-topic but I find this quite disturbing. According to pigglet, you can never have sex with a mentally challenged girl because we can never be sure if she's really consenting. Frankly, I find barring this girl from ever having sex even more cruel than "taking advantage" of her by giving her a good time...

Elphaba

Silly me. I forgot about the "don't feed the troll" rule.

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Trisk

Well put, Pigglet.

I don't understand what you and others are trying to say here. It seems like everyone is so afraid to say bestiality is wrong because it would mean homosexuality is wrong. I'm sorry, but since when are laws made by humans the deciding factors in all world issues? We are not gods (regardless of what some of us would like to think). Take a look at the effects we've made on the world around us doing things that are legal (read: pollution, extinction, depleting natural resources and rich lands...I think you get the point). Honestly, I wouldn't quote laws in the US as reasons why bestiality is right. Laws can be changed and don't encompass everything.

Furthermore, there are people who believe that animals should not be killed for food or coats, and while, yes, animals can be killed in a humane way, why should it be our decision when other living beings on the planet live or die?
...And why, if we consider it "humane" to kill animals in pain and misery, is it inhumane to kill humans in the same or worse conditions?
I'm not trying to start a debate on that, but I'm trying to make a point that the law is really just about morals or opinions of the lawmaker at the time. There are many different opinions and outlooks on these things. Who can say which is correct? Laws get changed all the time.

I have to add that, a) You can't take away an animal's ability to get pleasure from sex becuase most animals don't get pleasure from sex.
b) Yeah, animals are not retarded people. That's true. But Homosexual people are not animals either. I really just don't think you can make a comparison between SANE, thinking individuals who can speak to us and either retarded people OR animals(who may not be insane, but have no way of communicating whether they want to have sex with us or not. Even if that male horse brought out his penis, who's to say he wanted to have sex with the man? Have any of you guys ever gotten an erection from a girl who you didn't actually have any desire to have sex with? The right stimulation can do wonders).


Which brings me to my next point: to whoever said that horses can't be forced to do anything. Um, yeah, maybe if you try to move a horse by leaning on it or something, but...if you can't force it to do anything, what do you think we're doing when riding and training them?
Just like humans, I'm pretty sure other animals can be coaxed into having sexual reactions from the right stimulation. Yet I'm pretty sure MOST horses don't go rushing over to mount human beings every time they see one. If they WERE consenting individuals who WANTED to have sex with the human, don't you think they might make the first moves once in a while? Don't you think someone would notice if horses were running around raping humans?

Daniel_

I don't generally think that B=H, but in this case (and only this case) there might well be an element of Homosexuality - it is a FAIRLY homosexual activity for a man to want to be fucked in the ass by a cock - although the issue here is coloured by the fact it was a horses cock, not a man's.

My real concern is that the guy thought is wa a good idea to put a very large item into his backside, and have it pushed in by an animal bred to pull a plough. Would anyone use a tractor to force a baseball bat up their ass?

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Isn't it yet clear to you Neanderthals? Events in this forum are proceeding at an uncontrolled gallop! Are you all so unbridled in your hatred as to not see your own intolerance? Copulation with farm mammals is firmly saddled within my (southern) culture and habits. I dare say most of you city slickers have never even seen a horse penis, much less tried one jammed into your colon. How dare you judge! You know what you are? You're a bunch of equinophobes!
Equinophobe!
Equinophobe!
Equinophobe!
Until you have friends who get fucked up the ass by horses or until you have lived among us and studied our horse-fucking rituals, you have no right to judge us.

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pig

knife, its not the mentally challenged part that's specifically germane, it's the part bolded...i mean that an appearance of "consent," where "consent" means not running for the hills like a screaming banshee, isn't necessarily the greenlight for getting your marvin gaye on.

so let me get this straight, so that i understand your position. you're dealing with someone who is either mentally challenged, or otherwise suffers from a psychological condition such that they answer "yes." to any question you ask them. you feel comfortable getting your swerve on with them? i'm not really sure that i feel that's appropriate. if i'm wrong, then hey - i guess i'll just have to disturb you with my "i'm going to shy away on the side of not raping the retarded girl" policy.

and hey aladin...
I'm guessing you might have a unique perspective on this subject. Are there any particular forms to these rituals to ensure consent? Do you just know when you look into those big milky brown eyes? They're just (excuse the pun) chomping at the bit? I've always shied away from people who fuck horses, I have to confess...but I'd be interested to know who it does down...errr...in....or you know, whatever.

ps. what part of the south are you referring to? please say not south carolina, please say not south carolina.

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Gilda

The fact that it's a horse's anything makes it outside the realm of sexual orientation.

Homosexuality is an attraction to other people of the same sex and sexual activity with people of the same sex.

Gilda

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Daniel_

You've raised an interesting question. Your post makes me wonder:

"Is homosexuality dependent on the species of your love interest?"

Does a man that has sex only with female animals, or a woman who has sex with male ones consider herself "straight and zoophilic" - are men who screw female animals more or less likely to allow a male animal to penetrate them?

I made an assumption (that in the light of your post now seems naive) that allowing a male animal to analy penetrate a man was in some way within the same realm as homosexuality - but only because it didn't occur to me to wonder that it was unrelated.

So - people (and any typing animals out there ) - what do you think? Does bestial sex take account of the human sexual orientation of the people involved?

Could a woman who is gay with humans think it OK to allow an animal to penetrate her sexually?

I really don't know. Do you?

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Gilda

[puts Daniel on ignore]

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fastom

Perhaps the dude with the blown-apart bum didn't know a horse often has a rather sizable dink? Maybe his human buddy told him he was hung like a horse and just assumed horses were that size. He had his back turned and probably never saw it coming.

I suppose it isn't illegal but that's a moot point now. The immoral and stupid act was punished enough and should act as a deterrent for all but the biggest assholes.

Ustwo

As a straight man I find the though of sex with another male about as desirable as sex with a horse. I might even learn to the horse if I was forced to make a choice.

That being said I don't think too many people here would consider the ethical question the same. The only real link is can you legislate peoples sexuality, and there the link between homosexuality and this does come into play. This is the 'ick' factor, and there is a thread about it in sexuality.

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analog

I had too... and maybe that's part of the reason I'm bringing this thread back from hell and allowing it to continue a little more.

As you're always welcome to do, two members PM'ed me regarding this thread and felt misrepresented. Taking their argument to heart, I can't help but feel there's some "clearing the air" that needs to go on... which I'm mostly bothering to support because it may help change the tenor in this thread.

Let me say this, though:

Whatever opinions you hold about homosexuality are your own. I, as we expect others to here at the TFP, respect your decision to form and hold your opinion of it, even as I may disagree with you (I find it perfectly normal, some here find it to be wrong, etc).

It is fine to debate and discuss your opinions, but you will not use or allow your opinions of a group to mock or bash that group here on the TFP. And equating beastiality to homosexuality is flatly unacceptable. If you have a problem with that, PM me and we can discuss why you think comparing the two is ok.

So now it's back open... maybe someone can save this thread from bringing down the whole board.

- analog.

Daniel_

For the record.

I think that bestiality is not very nice, and am glad that it's illegal in England.

I think homosexuality is perfectly acceptable.

I don't believe that sex with animals is in any way related to homosexuality.

I'm sorry if anyone took offense at anything I wrote in this thread.

The original news story demonstrates that the man involved had what seems to me a pathological sexuality that led to his own demise.

Please feel free to PM me if you feel I did anything to upset you personally.

Thanks.

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