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Strange Famous · 01-25-2006, 01:38 PM

She wasnt seriously injured, but the guy hit her and threw her to the floor, and she's cut and bruised all over.

I feel pretty pissed off about it; the police came and took a statement from her, but realistically isnt much they are likely to be able to do.

Its just messed up, one thing like that - the guy did it for a few pounds, but it is going to cause a lot of emotional damage and fear... for the sake of what? Enough money for a couple of packs of cigarettes. I just dont understand the logic of someone who would do something like, cause so much harm for so little potential (and actual) reward.

maleficent · 01-25-2006, 01:45 PM

same thing happened to elphaba's mum a while back..
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=89588

it sucks... the situation sucks... your mom will heal and it's only a few pounds...

i doubt the police will be able to do much - but you can help her out... spend time with her- and go with her for a while when she needs to run errands... so she's not alone...

Self defence classes I would also recommend, not to turn mom into a ninja warrior but those classes will often teach a person to be aware of their environment and give them a little confidence when they are alone... a person who is aware is less likely to get mugged than the person who's just not paying attention..

Hash_Browns · 01-25-2006, 01:57 PM

SF, I'm glad to hear that your Mum is ok for the most part. I agree with what Mal said about trying to be there for her when possible. One thing my mom always told me is if someone wants something from you, throw it away from you and run the other way. If they only want your bag, then it's theirs and no worries cuz it's just a bag and material things. I would myself like to take some self-defense classes, this makes me want to do it sooner then later.

ShaniFaye · 01-25-2006, 02:03 PM

was she able to give a description of the mugger to the police?

Im glad she was not more serioulsy injured!!!

Elphaba · 01-25-2006, 02:38 PM

I'm really sorry to hear about your mum, and I can really identify with your anger. It is a blessing that her physical injuries will pass and this might help her recover from the emotional trauma over time. My mother lost the full use of her right hand so she must deal on a daily basis with a "theft" of another kind.

SirLance · 01-25-2006, 05:38 PM

This is the kind of thing that makes you want to go kick some ass on your mom's behalf. I'm glad she wasn't seriously injured. Mal is right, spend time with her and help her to not be afraid to go do things because of this one incident.

Borla · 01-25-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

She wasnt seriously injured, but the guy hit her and threw her to the floor, and she's cut and bruised all over.

I feel pretty pissed off about it; the police came and took a statement from her, but realistically isnt much they are likely to be able to do.

Its just messed up, one thing like that - the guy did it for a few pounds, but it is going to cause a lot of emotional damage and fear... for the sake of what? Enough money for a couple of packs of cigarettes. I just dont understand the logic of someone who would do something like, cause so much harm for so little potential (and actual) reward.

I'm glad she is ok. I can only imagine the frustration you must have too. I hope she bounces back mentally and emotionally.

blahblah454 · 01-25-2006, 07:08 PM

It makes me so sick inside to know that people are so low that they can do such a thing. Mugging a teenager or adult is bad enough, but these people who mug mothers and grandmothers are just so much worse.

I am glad that your mother is alright. And I sure hope that the mugger runs into some serious trouble down the road that makes them realise how dispicable and low what they have done was.

Siege · 01-25-2006, 07:31 PM

Glad your mom is in good condition S F.

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Originally Posted by blahblah454

I am glad that your mother is alright. And I sure hope that the mugger runs into some serious trouble down the road that makes them realise how dispicable and low what they have done was.

Or some serious trouble that results in some serious injuries. Either way is good.

Edit: Moved quote

ziadel · 01-26-2006, 01:18 PM

why not just get your mom some sort of firearm so she can deal with thinks like this as they happen...

oh wait you're in merry old england are'nt you?
sorry.

glad the gal is allright tho.

/who was it who said in that thread recently that things like this never happen and theres no real need to defend yourself?

Slippery Slope · 01-26-2006, 05:24 PM

So sorry about your (and Elphaba's) mothers. It's gonna be
hard for them to get over this, emotionally more than anything,
but it's good that they have such caring children to help them
through it. There must be so many who have no-one to help
at times like this.

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Originally Posted by ziadel

why not just get your mom some sort of firearm so she can deal with thinks like this as they happen...

oh wait you're in merry old england are'nt you?
sorry...

My ol' mum has trouble working the TV remote so I dread to
think what the hell would happen if she had a gun in her handbag!

timalkin · 01-26-2006, 10:01 PM

Well Strange Famous, we've been over the whole gun control debate before, but it looks like you're living in reality now. Your mum is lucky that all this guy wanted was her purse. It could have been much worse. I'd be interested to hear how your views on guns have changed since this incident.

I'm sorry that your loved one had to go through something so dangerous and degrading. She will be in my thoughts.

kutulu · 01-27-2006, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ziadel

why not just get your mom some sort of firearm so she can deal with thinks like this as they happen...

oh wait you're in merry old england are'nt you?
sorry.

It's ironic but because it was in England the mugger didn't have a gun. Interesting, isn't it?

Self defense requires a lot more than having a gun or knowing how to do the moves. It requires training in proper usage and the resolve to the the knowledge and stay calm enough to do it effectively. Otherwise, its just a weapon that can be turned against you.

Marvelous Marv · 01-27-2006, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kutulu

It's ironic but because it was in England the mugger didn't have a gun. Interesting, isn't it?

I take it you haven't seen the figures on increases in gun crime in England and Australia.

Link

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Published Monday, December 19, 2005, in New York Post

SILVER'S 'CONTROLS' DON'T WORK

By John R. Lott, Jr.*

HOW do you stop criminals from getting guns? With the murders of two New York City police officers this year and two each of the two previous years, all from guns, New York politicians feel pressure to do something, splitting the two political parties in very predictable ways. The state Senate and Gov. Pataki want to punish gun smugglers with longer prison terms; the state Assembly and Attorney General Eliot Spitzer call for more gun-control laws. Despite Pataki's efforts, the most direct approach to stop criminals killing police officers seems off the table — because Democrats won't pass legislation to let the death penalty be imposed.

Democrats worry that law-abiding citizens who get through the extensive licensing and registration system in New York City are responsible for criminals getting guns. The question is whether the Democrats' proposals — which cover everything from more training for New York gun store employees to providing more security at gun stores to banning some types of guns and bullets — will disarm criminals, or mainly just discourage law-abiding citizens getting guns or.

If law-abiding New York gun-owners — who already pass all the local, state, and federal gun control regulations — are the only real way criminals obtain guns, wouldn't the logical conclusion simply be that a complete ban would dry up guns for criminals?

Yet gun control doesn't work that way. The experiences of the United Kingdom and Australia — two island nations whose borders are much easier to control and monitor — should give New York gun controllers some pause.

The British government banned handguns in January 1997 but recently reported that gun crime in England and Wales nearly doubled in the seven years from 1996 to 2003. Since '96, the rate of serious violent crime has soared by 88 percent: armed robberies by 101 percent, rapes by 105 percent and homicide by 24 percent.

Before the law, armed robberies had fallen by 50 percent from 1993 to 1997 — but as soon as handguns were banned, the robbery rate shot back up, almost back to 1993 levels. The crooks still had guns, but not their victims.

Australia's 1996 gun-control regulations banned many types of guns and the immediate aftermath was similar. Crime rates averaged 32 percent higher in the six years after the law was passed (from 1997 to 2002) than in 1995. The same comparisons for armed robbery rates showed an increase of 74 percent, reversing a previous decline.

Both recent police officer murders in New York City had something in common: They involved drugs. Few Americans appreciate that over 70 percent of American murders take place in just 3.5 percent of counties — these being the inner-city areas where drug dealers are concentrated...

Of course, there are people who will say that the increase is "due to a new way of reporting crime" in England. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that this new method was instituted at the time of the ban.

*Nikki* · 01-27-2006, 09:17 AM

Seems to me that in cases like this having a gun would have not benefited the victim at all. If anything it might have caused her to be more seriously injured.

Firearms really are not the answer to everything!

I hope your mom has a swift recovery

nezmot · 01-27-2006, 04:56 PM

If guns were easier to get hold of here, SF's mum might have been shot in the back of the head for her cash rather than being roughed up a bit. Where's the self defence in that?

But this isn't a thread for arguing about gun crime - only someone with an unhealthy fetish for weaponry would try to start that here. I'm sorry to hear about this news - it really hurts when someone you know is involved in something like this. I hope she'll soldier on and not let this sorry event effect her too much.

Martian · 01-27-2006, 06:11 PM

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks it's a bit tactless to bring up gun control in this thread, to say the least.

Really guys, there's no need to gloat.

Strange Famous, here's hoping for a speedy recovery for your mum.

dksuddeth · 01-28-2006, 09:39 AM

SF, I hope your mum recovers quickly with no ill effects. People are right, this isn't the time, or place, to bring up gun control. that can always be done later.

Strange Famous · 01-28-2006, 10:20 AM

dont know how the gun stuff came up, but to be honest, if this happened in the States, maybe I'd be on here saying my mum got shot, rather than she got hit and thrown to the floor.

I really dont believe that guns prevent violence, I think they just up the ante.

Of course, when things happen to people you care about it gives you a different perspective than when you are not so emotionally attached - but this doesnt change my opinion on gums at all. I am glad that gun ownership is very limited in the UK.

ziadel · 01-28-2006, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by nezmot

But this isn't a thread for arguing about gun crime - only someone with an unhealthy fetish for weaponry would try to start that here.

why do I even bother.

Fly · 01-28-2006, 11:54 AM

hunt him down Strange...........and beat his ass to the ground.

i hate fucking maggots like this.

no respect for other people.............fuckers

glad your mum is okay man.

Jackebear · 01-28-2006, 10:40 PM

My sister lives and works in Washington D.C. and she was mugged last year. A car drove by her slowly and I guess a guy jumped out and came from behind her. Luckily no weapon was involved, he just tried to grab her handbag and run. But she held on, both of them fell on the curb and he's got the bottom of the bag and she is holding the straps, kicking like crazy all over this guys head. He finally let go, ran back to the waiting car and sped off.

My sister then proceeds to walk a few more blocks home and then call the police where she gave a description of the car and the mugger. Don't think they ever caught him though. She was very lucky and said the only thought she had was "I only have one set of keys for my apartment and I can't lose them." What a tough country girl in the big city.

Now, she has a dual set of keys, copies of her license, credit cards etc., all in a safe place...just in case. Oh yeah, she was so proud of her bag, Kenneth Cole, because the straps never broke. I'm happy she was alright though.

timalkin · 01-29-2006, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

I really dont believe that guns prevent violence, I think they just up the ante.

Criminals must love you guys.

Some people never learn.

sailor · 01-30-2006, 12:38 PM

Holy shit. He's in here talking about his mom getting hurt, and people have to bring politics into it. Get a life.

SF, hope your mom is fine. I liked the advice of going to visit her and going to run errands with her--I think more than the phsyical bruises, the fear is going to be the bigger problem...

WillyPete · 01-30-2006, 02:57 PM

Gun guys:
Non-criminals don't carry handguns in the UK. Deal with it.

My mum had a gun in South Africa, my dad got it after the family was threatened by some union guys he fired legally.

Beretta 9mm para, but it was too heavy for her to carry and with my twin brothers being 2 at the time of her getting it, it would have been a dangerous option to have on her person with having to man-handle the both of them in buggies and car seats.

About when they were aged 6, someone jumped the fence, beat the dogs to the back door, hit the maid to the ground and then went into the living room where he pointed a knife and a pistol at her. He said "where's the safe?"
(A lot of people in So Africa are under the impression that white people all have money stashed in safes somewhere. Don't ask.)
She had 2 kids in the bedroom and could tell that they were starting to get inquisitive and would be poking their heads out soon.

What the hell could she do?

Don't tell me a gun would have saved the day.
Without the time to practise regularly she would probably have been shot as she drew it.
The guy already had surprise on his side and had the drop on her.
Even with the skills, would you have a gunfight with a weapon wielding crook if he was between you and the corridor where your kids might come out?

Quit making vague and generalised assumptions based on statistics and "I woulda" bravado.

And no, I'm no liberal anti gun person. Given the chance I'd probably carry one as I've had the training.

Back to the important stuff.
SF, glad your mum got away ok.
The hardest part is dealing with how YOU feel mate. As though you should have been there to protect her. You need to get over that, she'll get through it faster than you.

Advice from experience:
Don't get over-protective of her now, it will only increase the feeling of vulnerability she will be experiencing.
Don't get leery and ready to have a go at anyone who looks at her funny, don't put a big stick near the front door. She'll feel like she shouldn't have told you because it got you all worked up.

Make sure all her cards are cancelled and that she isn't at risk of ID theft.

Buy her some flowers.

01-25-2006, 01:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	my mum got mugged last night She wasnt seriously injured, but the guy hit her and threw her to the floor, and she's cut and bruised all over. I feel pretty pissed off about it; the police came and took a statement from her, but realistically isnt much they are likely to be able to do. Its just messed up, one thing like that - the guy did it for a few pounds, but it is going to cause a lot of emotional damage and fear... for the sake of what? Enough money for a couple of packs of cigarettes. I just dont understand the logic of someone who would do something like, cause so much harm for so little potential (and actual) reward. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

01-25-2006, 01:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	same thing happened to elphaba's mum a while back.. http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=89588 it sucks... the situation sucks... your mom will heal and it's only a few pounds... i doubt the police will be able to do much - but you can help her out... spend time with her- and go with her for a while when she needs to run errands... so she's not alone... Self defence classes I would also recommend, not to turn mom into a ninja warrior but those classes will often teach a person to be aware of their environment and give them a little confidence when they are alone... a person who is aware is less likely to get mugged than the person who's just not paying attention.. __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

01-25-2006, 01:57 PM	#3 (permalink)
Hash_Browns Psycho Location: Right behind you...BOO!	SF, I'm glad to hear that your Mum is ok for the most part. I agree with what Mal said about trying to be there for her when possible. One thing my mom always told me is if someone wants something from you, throw it away from you and run the other way. If they only want your bag, then it's theirs and no worries cuz it's just a bag and material things. I would myself like to take some self-defense classes, this makes me want to do it sooner then later. __________________ Smile It makes people wonder what you're up too!

01-25-2006, 02:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	was she able to give a description of the mugger to the police? Im glad she was not more serioulsy injured!!! __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

01-25-2006, 05:38 PM	#6 (permalink)
SirLance Junkie Location: In the middle of the desert.	This is the kind of thing that makes you want to go kick some ass on your mom's behalf. I'm glad she wasn't seriously injured. Mal is right, spend time with her and help her to not be afraid to go do things because of this one incident. __________________ DEMOCRACY is where your vote counts, FEUDALISM is where your count votes.

01-25-2006, 02:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
Elphaba Deja Moo Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA	I'm really sorry to hear about your mum, and I can really identify with your anger. It is a blessing that her physical injuries will pass and this might help her recover from the emotional trauma over time. My mother lost the full use of her right hand so she must deal on a daily basis with a "theft" of another kind.

01-25-2006, 07:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
blahblah454 Let's put a smile on that face Location: On the road...	It makes me so sick inside to know that people are so low that they can do such a thing. Mugging a teenager or adult is bad enough, but these people who mug mothers and grandmothers are just so much worse. I am glad that your mother is alright. And I sure hope that the mugger runs into some serious trouble down the road that makes them realise how dispicable and low what they have done was.

01-26-2006, 01:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
ziadel Myrmidon Location: In the twilight and mist.	why not just get your mom some sort of firearm so she can deal with thinks like this as they happen... oh wait you're in merry old england are'nt you? sorry. glad the gal is allright tho. /who was it who said in that thread recently that things like this never happen and theres no real need to defend yourself? __________________ Ron Paul '08 Vote for Freedom Go ahead and google Dr. Ron Paul. You'll like what you read.

01-26-2006, 10:01 PM	#12 (permalink)
timalkin Addict Location: watching from the treeline	Well Strange Famous, we've been over the whole gun control debate before, but it looks like you're living in reality now. Your mum is lucky that all this guy wanted was her purse. It could have been much worse. I'd be interested to hear how your views on guns have changed since this incident. I'm sorry that your loved one had to go through something so dangerous and degrading. She will be in my thoughts. __________________ Trinity: "What do you need?" Neo: "Guns. Lots of guns." -The Matrix

01-27-2006, 09:17 AM	#15 (permalink)
Nikki ~~~~~~~ Location: Charleston, SC	Seems to me that in cases like this having a gun would have not benefited the victim at all. If anything it might have caused her to be more seriously injured. Firearms really are not the answer to everything! I hope your mom has a swift recovery

01-27-2006, 04:56 PM	#16 (permalink)
nezmot Registered User	If guns were easier to get hold of here, SF's mum might have been shot in the back of the head for her cash rather than being roughed up a bit. Where's the self defence in that? But this isn't a thread for arguing about gun crime - only someone with an unhealthy fetish for weaponry would try to start that here. I'm sorry to hear about this news - it really hurts when someone you know is involved in something like this. I hope she'll soldier on and not let this sorry event effect her too much.

01-27-2006, 06:11 PM	#17 (permalink)
Martian Young Crumudgeon Location: Canada	I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks it's a bit tactless to bring up gun control in this thread, to say the least. Really guys, there's no need to gloat. Strange Famous, here's hoping for a speedy recovery for your mum. __________________ I wake up in the morning more tired than before I slept I get through cryin' and I'm sadder than before I wept I get through thinkin' now, and the thoughts have left my head I get through speakin' and I can't remember, not a word that I said - Ben Harper, Show Me A Little Shame

01-28-2006, 09:39 AM	#18 (permalink)
dksuddeth Junkie Location: bedford, tx	SF, I hope your mum recovers quickly with no ill effects. People are right, this isn't the time, or place, to bring up gun control. that can always be done later. __________________ "no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything. You cannot conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."

01-28-2006, 10:20 AM	#19 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	dont know how the gun stuff came up, but to be honest, if this happened in the States, maybe I'd be on here saying my mum got shot, rather than she got hit and thrown to the floor. I really dont believe that guns prevent violence, I think they just up the ante. Of course, when things happen to people you care about it gives you a different perspective than when you are not so emotionally attached - but this doesnt change my opinion on gums at all. I am glad that gun ownership is very limited in the UK. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

01-28-2006, 11:54 AM	#21 (permalink)
Fly see the links to my music? Location: Beautiful British Columbia	hunt him down Strange...........and beat his ass to the ground. i hate fucking maggots like this. no respect for other people.............fuckers glad your mum is okay man. __________________ BASTARD SterlingStudios

01-28-2006, 10:40 PM	#22 (permalink)
Jackebear Insane	My sister lives and works in Washington D.C. and she was mugged last year. A car drove by her slowly and I guess a guy jumped out and came from behind her. Luckily no weapon was involved, he just tried to grab her handbag and run. But she held on, both of them fell on the curb and he's got the bottom of the bag and she is holding the straps, kicking like crazy all over this guys head. He finally let go, ran back to the waiting car and sped off. My sister then proceeds to walk a few more blocks home and then call the police where she gave a description of the car and the mugger. Don't think they ever caught him though. She was very lucky and said the only thought she had was "I only have one set of keys for my apartment and I can't lose them." What a tough country girl in the big city. Now, she has a dual set of keys, copies of her license, credit cards etc., all in a safe place...just in case. Oh yeah, she was so proud of her bag, Kenneth Cole, because the straps never broke. I'm happy she was alright though. __________________ Life's jounney is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn-out shouting, "Holy sh*t! What a ride!" - unknown

01-30-2006, 12:38 PM	#24 (permalink)
sailor beauty in the breakdown Location: Chapel Hill, NC	Holy shit. He's in here talking about his mom getting hurt, and people have to bring politics into it. Get a life. SF, hope your mom is fine. I liked the advice of going to visit her and going to run errands with her--I think more than the phsyical bruises, the fear is going to be the bigger problem... __________________ "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." --Plato

01-30-2006, 02:57 PM	#25 (permalink)
WillyPete Addict	Gun guys: Non-criminals don't carry handguns in the UK. Deal with it. My mum had a gun in South Africa, my dad got it after the family was threatened by some union guys he fired legally. Beretta 9mm para, but it was too heavy for her to carry and with my twin brothers being 2 at the time of her getting it, it would have been a dangerous option to have on her person with having to man-handle the both of them in buggies and car seats. About when they were aged 6, someone jumped the fence, beat the dogs to the back door, hit the maid to the ground and then went into the living room where he pointed a knife and a pistol at her. He said "where's the safe?" (A lot of people in So Africa are under the impression that white people all have money stashed in safes somewhere. Don't ask.) She had 2 kids in the bedroom and could tell that they were starting to get inquisitive and would be poking their heads out soon. What the hell could she do? Don't tell me a gun would have saved the day. Without the time to practise regularly she would probably have been shot as she drew it. The guy already had surprise on his side and had the drop on her. Even with the skills, would you have a gunfight with a weapon wielding crook if he was between you and the corridor where your kids might come out? Quit making vague and generalised assumptions based on statistics and "I woulda" bravado. And no, I'm no liberal anti gun person. Given the chance I'd probably carry one as I've had the training. Back to the important stuff. SF, glad your mum got away ok. The hardest part is dealing with how YOU feel mate. As though you should have been there to protect her. You need to get over that, she'll get through it faster than you. Advice from experience: Don't get over-protective of her now, it will only increase the feeling of vulnerability she will be experiencing. Don't get leery and ready to have a go at anyone who looks at her funny, don't put a big stick near the front door. She'll feel like she shouldn't have told you because it got you all worked up. Make sure all her cards are cancelled and that she isn't at risk of ID theft. Buy her some flowers.