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bobby · 11-20-2008, 08:57 AM

Videos and Photos of Army Special Ops, Navy SEALs, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard in Action - Shock and Awe - Military.com

xoxoxoo

Church · 11-20-2008, 02:19 PM

This video is cool and all, but on the same side, these types of videos sicken me a little. That bomb probably killed countless people, all children to someone. I know they are the "bad guys" and all, but I would have been quite happy without the commentary of "Holy fuck!" and "wooooo, hot damn!"

I don't know, I'm sure someone is going to flame me for this post, but I just wanted to say my .02 cents. In no way am I siding with them, though.

shortkid75 · 11-20-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Church

This video is cool and all, but on the same side, these types of videos sicken me a little. That bomb probably killed countless people, all children to someone. I know they are the "bad guys" and all, but I would have been quite happy without the commentary of "Holy fuck!" and "wooooo, hot damn!"

I don't know, I'm sure someone is going to flame me for this post, but I just wanted to say my .02 cents. In no way am I siding with them, though.

I Totally Agree

bobby · 11-20-2008, 11:16 PM

me too ... and I posted it

you need to see this stuff...it's real and going on in your name !!!

xoxoxoo

Daniel_ · 11-21-2008, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Church

This video is cool and all, but on the same side, these types of videos sicken me a little. That bomb probably killed countless people, all children to someone. I know they are the "bad guys" and all, but I would have been quite happy without the commentary of "Holy fuck!" and "wooooo, hot damn!"

I don't know, I'm sure someone is going to flame me for this post, but I just wanted to say my .02 cents. In no way am I siding with them, though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shortkid75

I Totally Agree

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Originally Posted by bobby

me too ... and I posted it

you need to see this stuff...it's real and going on in your name !!!

xoxoxoo

+3

BadNick · 11-21-2008, 05:19 AM

I agree also.

And I don't want the U.S. to be the police force of the world. But no conscientious person can just ignore genocide and horrible oppression, can we? I hope a fresh approach to our foreign policies doesn't loose sight of the fact that we need to find ways to help oppressed people around the world in more positive ways than in the past. Tyranical forces would be less likely to take root if we help people with their basic human needs. In hard times, even our own countrymen will need help. I hope our government learns how to deal with these issues in more positive ways than has been our history.

Cynosure · 11-21-2008, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BadNick

And I don't want the U.S. to be the police force of the world. But no conscientious person can just ignore genocide and horrible oppression, can we?

Well, we've been ignoring it in Africa for the longest time, now. For example...

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Five Million Dead and Counting

The disaster in Congo is all the more tragic because it was utterly avoidable.

By Michael J. Kavanagh
Posted Friday, Nov. 14, 2008, at 5:39 PM ET

There are more than 1 million displaced people in North Kivu, 250,000 of whom have been displaced in the last monthIn the North Kivu province of eastern Congo, people are living in ditches along the sides of roads. They're filling up the floors of churches and schools. Displaced people are surrounding the compounds of bewildered U.N. peacekeepers. Young boys and men are hiding in the forest to avoid being killed or forced into armed groups.

There are now more than 1 million displaced people scattered throughout the province. In the last 10 years of fighting, more than 5 million people have died in the Congolese conflict—mostly civilians who haven't had access to enough food or health care because of the fighting. And let's be clear: That's 5 million and counting

In many of the displaced communities, only the generosity of neighbors keeps people from starving. The insecurity in the region makes it dangerous for aid groups to provide humanitarian support. Consequently, tens of thousands of average citizens have let strangers stay in their homes or yards and work their fields in exchange for a little food.

But now, many of those host families are displaced, too. One in five Kivutians has left home because of the fighting. People are terrified and starving, and it is an utter disaster that is all the more tragic because it was utterly avoidable.

Earlier this year in Goma, U.N. official Phil Lancaster told me, "As much as the international community can feel responsible for Rwanda, it should feel even more responsible for what happened here in Congo." Lancaster knows what he's talking about. As a U.N. soldier, he watched the 1994 genocide happen in Rwanda. And until September, he led the U.N. program that encouraged Rwandan Hutu rebels who'd been living in Congo since the genocide to go home.

Congolese terrified of the fighting between the government and Nkunda's rebels have moved into churches and schools and courtyardsHere's how the chain of cause and effect unfolded: In 1994, after the Rwandan genocide, the Hutu militias responsible for perpetrating the deaths of hundreds of thousands fled across the border to Congo, along with more than a million Rwandan Hutu civilians who feared for their lives. Since then, some of the perpetrators have remained in the Kivus, the part of Congo that borders Rwanda, with disastrously destabilizing consequences. In 1996 and again in 1998, the Tutsi-led Rwandan Patriotic Army invaded the Kivus, ostensibly to track down the remaining génocidaires; they killed hundreds of thousands of others in the process, and at least eight other countries became involved in the fighting. The war continues in the Kivus today, another chapter in a bloody saga that could have ended long ago.

The current installment involves a Congolese Tutsi, Laurent Nkunda, a former general in Congo's army who now styles himself a protector of his tribe from the remaining génocidaires and a liberator of the oppressed all across Congo—whether they want to be liberated by him or not. He's supported by a cadre of Tutsi but also by some Hutu and others who run the economy of the Kivus. He is also not-so-secretly supported by the Tutsi-led government of Rwanda.

Nkunda has launched a war of libération totale (his words) to save the Congolese people from a government that provides neither development nor security (the former being true because in the land of Mobutu Sese Seko, corruption is still rampant, and the latter being true mostly because of Nkunda himself). Technically, Congo is a democracy, so this total liberation should have waited until the next elections. But since Congolese Tutsis are such an insignificant part of the general population, Nkunda—a lifelong soldier—decided to use means other than the ballot.

And the early returns look like displacement, starvation, rape, murder, and terror.

The rest of this article can be read here...

The disaster in Congo is all the more tragic because it was utterly avoidable. - By Michael J. Kavanagh - Slate Magazine

So, why have we gotten so heavily involved in the Middle East for crimes of horrible oppression and mass murder, but not in Africa for those same crimes (which may be on an even greater, more horrible scale)?

Not that I'm suggesting the U.S. get militarily involved in Africa, now. We simply cannot afford to invade and police yet another country.

Tully Mars · 11-21-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bobby

me too ... and I posted it

you need to see this stuff...it's real and going on in your name !!!

xoxoxoo

With your money paying for it.

At the risk of sounding like an old hippy- imagine what could be accomplished if the energy and effort put into building weapons and weapons systems went into crazy things like feeding the hungry, developing new energy sources or just educating and training people.

irdave · 11-21-2008, 09:40 AM

Why are we in the Middle East and not Africa?

Simply because there's oil in the Middle East and not in Africa... Sad, but I feel it's true.

Slims · 11-21-2008, 11:30 AM

Afghanistan is in Asia, not Africa, and there is no oil involved.

Baraka_Guru · 11-21-2008, 11:54 AM

No oil in Africa? Stop importing sub-Saharan African oil into the U.S. and its overall imports would drop 15%.

Afghanistan is strategically important.

Crack · 11-21-2008, 01:26 PM

Who says it was a bomb being dropped on anyone?

Military.com?

lawl

QuasiMondo · 11-21-2008, 03:56 PM

Impressive shockwave.

Slims · 11-21-2008, 04:23 PM

If you guys want explosions with no injuries... I have a video of a huge demo shot...a couple months worth of the caches we collected, probably 10,000 lb + but need a video host.

Church · 11-21-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Crack

Who says it was a bomb being dropped on anyone?

Military.com?

lawl

Well it was in the context of one as stated in the description.

undtektid · 11-21-2008, 10:31 PM

I almost got sick watching it...I think it was more the attitudes in the back round...

urrrggggg

LoganSnake · 11-21-2008, 10:36 PM

The video doesn't do anything for me. Cool explosion. I guess I would be making the same cheerful sounds if I had been shot at for whatever amount of time by those on whom the bomb was dropped (if it wasn't just a deserted target).

telekinetic · 11-25-2008, 08:29 PM

It is not fair to our soldiers to wish they mourn the death of their enemies. They need to be single mindedly focused on survival and winning the conflict.

Anyways, I prefer the finger of God...it doesn't get any better than an A-10 on target providing close air support from so close that you hear the shells hit before you hear the gun blat. If it helps your morals, they're clearly under fire.

Church · 11-25-2008, 09:20 PM

I'm not saying they have to mourn the lives are their enemy, just show some respect for life in general. There's a difference between doing what must be done, and enjoying it.

Slims · 11-26-2008, 10:17 AM

Respect is something I reserve for people who aren't trying to shoot me, kill people for teaching women how to read, for shaving their beards, for not believing exactly the same thing they do, for watching TV, or playing soccer.

Combat is competition at it's fiercest, and like any good competition, there is exhiliration in victory and misery in defeat. You can't be effective if you don't enjoy winning...You won't push hard enough, take big risks, stay up for 50 hours, push through pain, etc.

Baraka_Guru · 11-26-2008, 10:24 AM

"In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
–Ernest Hemingway

LoganSnake · 11-26-2008, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Church

I'm not saying they have to mourn the lives are their enemy, just show some respect for life in general. There's a difference between doing what must be done, and enjoying it.

Not in war.

Church · 11-26-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LoganSnake

Not in war.

Yes, even in war.

LoganSnake · 11-26-2008, 02:05 PM

Agree to disagree.

Church · 11-26-2008, 02:17 PM

I can deal with that lol

Amaras · 11-26-2008, 02:31 PM

Sadly, that could have been me in the background 15+ years ago. Take almost anyone who is
young and impressionable, train the hell outta them, and there you go.

11-20-2008, 08:57 AM	#1 (permalink)
bobby Super Moderator Location: 18,000+ posts on TFP #1,2,3,4 and 5,but I'm not counting!	F-16 drops 1,000 lb bomb on Taliban Videos and Photos of Army Special Ops, Navy SEALs, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard in Action - Shock and Awe - Military.com xoxoxoo __________________ "Life goes on,within you,and...with out you !" xoxoxoo

11-20-2008, 02:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
Church Tilted F*ckhead Location: New Jersey	This video is cool and all, but on the same side, these types of videos sicken me a little. That bomb probably killed countless people, all children to someone. I know they are the "bad guys" and all, but I would have been quite happy without the commentary of "Holy fuck!" and "wooooo, hot damn!" I don't know, I'm sure someone is going to flame me for this post, but I just wanted to say my .02 cents. In no way am I siding with them, though. __________________ Through counter-intelligence, it should be possible to pinpoint potential trouble makers, and neutralize them.

11-20-2008, 11:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
bobby Super Moderator Location: 18,000+ posts on TFP #1,2,3,4 and 5,but I'm not counting!	me too ... and I posted it you need to see this stuff...it's real and going on in your name !!! xoxoxoo __________________ "Life goes on,within you,and...with out you !" xoxoxoo

11-21-2008, 11:30 AM	#10 (permalink)
Slims Eccentric insomniac Location: North Carolina	Afghanistan is in Asia, not Africa, and there is no oil involved. __________________ "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Seven Pillars of Wisdom, T.E. Lawrence

11-21-2008, 11:54 AM	#11 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	No oil in Africa? Stop importing sub-Saharan African oil into the U.S. and its overall imports would drop 15%. Afghanistan is strategically important. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

11-21-2008, 05:19 AM	#6 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	I agree also. And I don't want the U.S. to be the police force of the world. But no conscientious person can just ignore genocide and horrible oppression, can we? I hope a fresh approach to our foreign policies doesn't loose sight of the fact that we need to find ways to help oppressed people around the world in more positive ways than in the past. Tyranical forces would be less likely to take root if we help people with their basic human needs. In hard times, even our own countrymen will need help. I hope our government learns how to deal with these issues in more positive ways than has been our history.

11-21-2008, 09:40 AM	#9 (permalink)
irdave Upright	Why are we in the Middle East and not Africa? Simply because there's oil in the Middle East and not in Africa... Sad, but I feel it's true.

11-21-2008, 01:26 PM	#12 (permalink)
Crack Misanthropic Location: Ohio! yay!	Who says it was a bomb being dropped on anyone? Military.com? lawl __________________ Crack, you and I are long overdue for a vicious bout of mansex. ~Halx

11-21-2008, 03:56 PM	#13 (permalink)
QuasiMondo Wise-ass Latino Location: Pretoria (Tshwane), RSA	Impressive shockwave. __________________ Cameron originally envisioned the Terminator as a small, unremarkable man, giving it the ability to blend in more easily. As a result, his first choice for the part was Lance Henriksen. O. J. Simpson was on the shortlist but Cameron did not think that such a nice guy could be a ruthless killer. -From the Collector's Edition DVD of The Terminator

11-21-2008, 04:23 PM	#14 (permalink)
Slims Eccentric insomniac Location: North Carolina	If you guys want explosions with no injuries... I have a video of a huge demo shot...a couple months worth of the caches we collected, probably 10,000 lb + but need a video host. __________________ "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Seven Pillars of Wisdom, T.E. Lawrence

11-21-2008, 10:31 PM	#16 (permalink)
undtektid Upright Location: DC area	I almost got sick watching it...I think it was more the attitudes in the back round... urrrggggg

11-21-2008, 10:36 PM	#17 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	The video doesn't do anything for me. Cool explosion. I guess I would be making the same cheerful sounds if I had been shot at for whatever amount of time by those on whom the bomb was dropped (if it wasn't just a deserted target). __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

11-25-2008, 08:29 PM	#18 (permalink)
telekinetic zomgomgomgomgomgomg Location: Fauxenix, Azerona	It is not fair to our soldiers to wish they mourn the death of their enemies. They need to be single mindedly focused on survival and winning the conflict. Anyways, I prefer the finger of God...it doesn't get any better than an A-10 on target providing close air support from so close that you hear the shells hit before you hear the gun blat. If it helps your morals, they're clearly under fire. __________________ twisted no more Last edited by telekinetic; 11-25-2008 at 08:33 PM..

11-25-2008, 09:20 PM	#19 (permalink)
Church Tilted F*ckhead Location: New Jersey	I'm not saying they have to mourn the lives are their enemy, just show some respect for life in general. There's a difference between doing what must be done, and enjoying it. __________________ Through counter-intelligence, it should be possible to pinpoint potential trouble makers, and neutralize them.

11-26-2008, 10:17 AM	#20 (permalink)
Slims Eccentric insomniac Location: North Carolina	Respect is something I reserve for people who aren't trying to shoot me, kill people for teaching women how to read, for shaving their beards, for not believing exactly the same thing they do, for watching TV, or playing soccer. Combat is competition at it's fiercest, and like any good competition, there is exhiliration in victory and misery in defeat. You can't be effective if you don't enjoy winning...You won't push hard enough, take big risks, stay up for 50 hours, push through pain, etc. __________________ "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Seven Pillars of Wisdom, T.E. Lawrence

11-26-2008, 10:24 AM	#21 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	"In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason." –Ernest Hemingway __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

11-26-2008, 02:05 PM	#24 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	Agree to disagree. __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

11-26-2008, 02:17 PM	#25 (permalink)
Church Tilted F*ckhead Location: New Jersey	I can deal with that lol __________________ Through counter-intelligence, it should be possible to pinpoint potential trouble makers, and neutralize them.

11-26-2008, 02:31 PM	#26 (permalink)
Amaras Junkie Location: At my daughter's beck and call.	Sadly, that could have been me in the background 15+ years ago. Take almost anyone who is young and impressionable, train the hell outta them, and there you go. __________________ Propaganda is to a democracy what the bludgeon is to a totalitarian state. -Noam Chomsky Love is a verb, not a noun. -My Mom The function of genius is to furnish cretins with ideas twenty years later. -Louis Aragon, "La Porte-plume," Traite du style, 1928