Uncanny Valley been crossed? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Hain · 06-25-2008, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia's Uncanny Valley

The phenomenon can be explained by the notion that, if an entity is sufficiently non-humanlike, then the humanlike characteristics will tend to stand out and be noticed easily, generating empathy. On the other hand, if the entity is "almost human", then the non-human characteristics will be the ones that stand out, leading to a feeling of "strangeness" in the human viewer. In other words, a robot stuck inside the uncanny valley is no longer being judged by the standards of a robot doing a good job at pretending to be human, but is instead being judged by the standards of a human doing a terrible job at acting like a normal person.

Whoa...

Cynthetiq · 06-25-2008, 08:16 AM

Impressive stills, but stills are easy to cross the valley.

Once you have movement of film that's a bit harder to cross.

Flesh moves a particular way, there's micromotions and subtlety that humans have that make humans look human on film.

ratbastid · 06-25-2008, 08:21 AM

Sure. Painters and sculptors have been "crossing the valley" for centuries. It's moving things that make our skin crawl.

LoganSnake · 06-25-2008, 08:57 AM

There are tons more here:

http://basangpanaginip.blogspot.com/...ector-art.html

Illustrator is an awesome program.

Mine's on the left.

snowy · 06-25-2008, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ratbastid

Sure. Painters and sculptors have been "crossing the valley" for centuries. It's moving things that make our skin crawl.

There were a couple of scenes in the recent version of Beowulf that made my skin crawl--mostly because they rendered Angelina Jolie and her movements so well yet she had a tail.

telekinetic · 06-25-2008, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq

Impressive stills, but stills are easy to cross the valley.

Once you have movement of film that's a bit harder to cross.

Flesh moves a particular way, there's micromotions and subtlety that humans have that make humans look human on film.

Yep. Uncanny Valley has always been a motion thing, not something that still shots can capture. Also, those are quite old.

Jinn · 06-25-2008, 09:21 AM

Maybe it's just me, but I can't seem to view that link. Even the Google Cache is slow to the point of timing out.

LoganSnake · 06-25-2008, 09:24 AM

Try my link.

MSD · 06-28-2008, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by twistedmosaic

Yep. Uncanny Valley has always been a motion thing, not something that still shots can capture. Also, those are quite old.

It's possible with stills, but the valley is narrower and shallower.

bobby · 06-29-2008, 06:58 AM

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06-25-2008, 08:16 AM	#2 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	Impressive stills, but stills are easy to cross the valley. Once you have movement of film that's a bit harder to cross. Flesh moves a particular way, there's micromotions and subtlety that humans have that make humans look human on film. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

06-25-2008, 08:57 AM	#4 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	There are tons more here: http://basangpanaginip.blogspot.com/...ector-art.html Illustrator is an awesome program. Mine's on the left. __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques Last edited by LoganSnake; 06-25-2008 at 09:14 AM..

06-25-2008, 09:21 AM	#7 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	Maybe it's just me, but I can't seem to view that link. Even the Google Cache is slow to the point of timing out. __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

06-25-2008, 09:24 AM	#8 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	Try my link. __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

06-29-2008, 06:58 AM	#10 (permalink)
bobby Super Moderator Location: 18,000+ posts on TFP #1,2,3,4 and 5,but I'm not counting!	The virtual world is very close to us...xoxoxoo __________________ "Life goes on,within you,and...with out you !" xoxoxoo

06-25-2008, 08:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
ratbastid Darth Papa Location: Yonder	Sure. Painters and sculptors have been "crossing the valley" for centuries. It's moving things that make our skin crawl.