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Old 05-25-2008, 01:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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'Tunnel' links New York to London!

Hardly anyone knows that a secret tunnel runs deep beneath the Atlantic Ocean. In May 2008, more than a century after it was begun, the tunnel has finally been completed. An extraordinary optical device called a Telectroscope has been installed at both ends which miraculously allows people to see right through the Earth from London to New York
and vice versa.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7415911.stm
and
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/telectroscope/home.php

Nice to see art installations breaking boundaries and bringing people together.
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Old 05-25-2008, 01:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
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We've got some conflicting information here...
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View: Giant 'telescope' links London, New York
Source: US
Abstract: "And the trans-Atlantic tunnel is really a trans-Atlantic broadband network rounded off on each end with HD cameras, according to Tiscali, an Italian Internet provider handling the technical side of the project."   click to show 
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View: 'Tunnel' links New York to London
Source: News
Abstract: "It is rather like using a giant web-cam, live streaming (though we are told the internet is not involved and there is no audio connection) between two of the world's biggest cities."   click to show 
I was impressed until I read it was digitally sent. Which is it?
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Old 05-25-2008, 01:33 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Damn cool. Nice find.
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Old 05-25-2008, 01:38 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Hain, the magnification required to do that with glass optics only would be ruinously expensive, and the maintenance would be near impossible. At least, I think so. Either way, I cannot fathom how it actually works when you get it down to the "nuts and bolts."
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Old 05-25-2008, 01:42 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Hain, the magnification required to do that with glass optics only would be ruinously expensive, and the maintenance would be near impossible. At least, I think so. Either way, I cannot fathom how it actually works when you get it down to the "nuts and bolts."
If it were fiber optic as suggested in the BBC article, then it is possible. It could be astronomically expensive cables, but possible and keep me impressed.
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Old 05-25-2008, 01:47 PM   #6 (permalink)
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If it were fiber optic as suggested in the BBC article, then it is possible. It could be astronomically expensive cables, but possible and keep me impressed.
It must be at least partly through the use of fiber optics. If it were something else, like a digital signal or something, then it wouldn't be anything that impressive. I'd be more impressed with wireless. At least fiber optics require reflective light to carry the image like other optics do.
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Old 05-25-2008, 01:50 PM   #7 (permalink)
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It must be at least partly through the use of fiber optics. If it were something else, like a digital signal or something, then it wouldn't be anything that impressive. I'd be more impressed with wireless. At least fiber optics require reflective light to carry the image like other optics do.
Electronics would be impressive to me iff they were using some old school- and I mean pre-microchip stuff- for the cameras and radio. Fiber optics would be sweet... and mirrors with lenses would be outrageously awesome. The more low-tech, the better I would find this art.
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Old 05-25-2008, 02:03 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I can see someone in London. It's called iChat with video. I can see someone in Toronto and Hong Kong, too. Simultaneously.
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Old 05-25-2008, 02:08 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I can see someone in London. It's called iChat with video. I can see someone in Toronto and Hong Kong, too. Simultaneously.
Which is why this is only impressive and artistic if it implements some old school method.
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Old 05-25-2008, 02:15 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I can see someone in London. It's called iChat with video. I can see someone in Toronto and Hong Kong, too. Simultaneously.
Wait till the power goes off. Then you'll have to run to the tunnel to finish your conversation.
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Old 05-25-2008, 02:19 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Wait till the power goes off. Then you'll have to run to the tunnel to finish your conversation.
You mean the digital tunnel? Yeah, good luck with that when the power goes off.

It's Skype with a fictitious Jules Verne-esque back story.
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Old 05-25-2008, 02:21 PM   #12 (permalink)
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It's not about the technology. It's ART. Jeez. Suspend your disbelief and be five again for a half a second.

This was done by the same group that walked a gigantic baby doll marionette and a huge mechanical elephant through London. Amazing stuff.
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Old 05-25-2008, 02:28 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I can see someone in London. It's called iChat with video. I can see someone in Toronto and Hong Kong, too. Simultaneously.
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Which is why this is only impressive and artistic if it implements some old school method.
Seriously, no it doesn't mean that it can't be artistic if it implements some old school method. I can be just artistic because well it looks artistic.

While you can do that kind of iChatting, you aren't part of the 125th Anniversary of the Brooklyn Bridge, nor are drumming up any media write ups about your iChatting.













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May 22, 2008
Telectroscope to London Unveiled at Brooklyn Bridge
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The festivities commemorating the 125th birthday of the Brooklyn Bridge got underway full swing today with the unveiling of the mysterious Telectroscope at the Fulton Ferry Landing, just south of the bridge at 1 Water Street. The installation's creator, Paul St George, claims to have just completed a forgotten tunnel connecting New York to London and, using giant parabolic mirrors, has reconstructed a Victorian-era optical device enabling people on either end of the tube to wave at each other.

Presented by the Artichoke art collective, who built the massive ambulatory “Sultan’s Elephant” in London two years ago, the Telectroscope will be open for gawkers 24/7 until June 15th. Attendants on hand supply visitors with dry-erase boards to write messages for the Londoners on the other side, at Tower Bridge. It's just frustrating that with the dollar so low, they can't toss a few pounds though the tunnel.
Really, it is simply called style. You know like a Steampunk Mac is all kinds of style.



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Old 05-25-2008, 02:29 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I'm not saying it's not cool. It really, really is. I love Jules Verne. I've got his collection, leather-bound in my shelf behind me.

The issue was people actually thinking it was real. It's Santa. We all love Santa, but he's not real.
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Old 05-25-2008, 03:13 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Really, it is simply called style. You know like a Steampunk Mac is all kinds of style.




I'm not a mac fan but I'm a huge fan of steampunk
that said i'm probably on my 4934825th play through of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcanum...Magick_Obscura
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Old 05-25-2008, 03:21 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I'm not a mac fan but I'm a huge fan of steampunk
that said i'm probably on my 4934825th play through of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcanum...Magick_Obscura
Sounds like Steamboy, a bitchin anime, by the way.
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Old 05-25-2008, 03:33 PM   #17 (permalink)
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It's not about the technology. It's ART. Jeez. Suspend your disbelief and be five again for a half a second.

This was done by the same group that walked a gigantic baby doll marionette and a huge mechanical elephant through London. Amazing stuff.
Exactly ratbastid. Couldn't have said it better myself mate!
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Old 05-25-2008, 03:50 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I want a steampunk Mac. Pretty please?
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Old 05-25-2008, 11:19 PM   #19 (permalink)
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So one again:
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View: 'Telectroscope' Connects New York, London in Real-Time
Source: Foxnews (http://www.foxnews.com)
Abstract: "New Yorkers could see their English cousins across the pond Thursday without benefit of cable TV or video conferencing, courtesy of an unusual live optical hookup created by a conceptual artist with a fanciful tale of a long-lost tunnel."   click to show 
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View: The Telectroscope, London's window on New York
Source: Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk)
Abstract: "It is the invention of Paul St George, a 53-year-old artist in based in London who - using broadband internet cable to transmit video images between the two venues at high speed - gives the impression that the two cities are connected via a telescope under the Atlantic sea."   click to show 
I'm thinking it is internet.

Still, wouldn't mind seeing it.
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Old 05-25-2008, 11:24 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Steam is apparently in my brain. What?

Is this a veritable "two cup-and-string" system linking London & New York?
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Old 05-26-2008, 08:53 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I want a steampunk Mac. Pretty please?
One guy who does keyboards charges around $2000 for them. It's just so incredibly labor intensive. Very cool looking stuff though, my tastes run more towards cyberpunk (ala Twelve Monkeys and Brazil) but the steampunk movement has some really cool art.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:43 AM   #22 (permalink)
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my tastes run more towards cyberpunk (ala Twelve Monkeys and Brazil) but the steampunk movement has some really cool art.
If you think about it, steampunk is nothing more than cyberpunk but a century behind on the look of the technology. Cyberpunk appears to be things we recognize today, while steampunk uses elements that are more common to the last century. Think Delorean and time machine.


Personally, I like the steampunk more- nostalgia reasons and it gives credit to the past.



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One guy who does keyboards charges around $2000 for them. It's just so incredibly labor intensive.
This would be a perfect reason for me to be more artsy.
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If you think about it, steampunk is nothing more than cyberpunk but a century behind on the look of the technology. Cyberpunk appears to be things we recognize today, while steampunk uses elements that are more common to the last century. Think Delorean and time machine.


Personally, I like the steampunk more- nostalgia reasons and it gives credit to the past.
Yup, exactly. It's Jules Verne style sci-fi and I lean more towards post-apocalyptic stuff. What's cool about steampunk is that it uses lots of wood and brass so you can create an attractive environment with it. Not so much with cyberpunk.
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Yup, exactly. It's Jules Verne style sci-fi and I lean more towards post-apocalyptic stuff. What's cool about steampunk is that it uses lots of wood and brass so you can create an attractive environment with it. Not so much with cyberpunk.
True, steampunk is designed to look better, witch cyberpunk meant to have a thrown-together look.
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