troit

....on a 14 year old skateboarder

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Willravel

Jesus fucking christ, what a complete prick.

Still, for every prick ass cop there are a hundred good men in uniform that do their job. Still, I wish those 100 other cops would call their fellow officers on bullshit like this.

Martian

I don't mean to defend the cop's actions, but the kid was kind of stupid. If you want to get along with police, you act respectfully, speak when spoken to and shut the hell up otherwise. I thought this was pretty much common sense.

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Mephex

Don't know if I agree with his tactic there, but I know damn well they won't forget it.

Also reminded me of that Comfort Eagle song by Cake. He is calling me "DUDE!"

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Willravel

The cop grabbed the kid across the neck because he was under the mistaken impression the kid was talking back. That's really inexcusable.

Had I been in that situation, I wouldn't have spoken to him with any reasonable level of respect after he physically and verbally attacked me for no reason. I probably would have spoken to his Lieutenant, too.

Fotzlid

The cop grabbed the kid because he was holding a skateboard and didn't immediatly surrender it. That would leave a mark if he decided to swing it.
I've had run-ins with skateboarders before. They can be assholes.
The cop was out of line but the kid was being an idiot by not listening to him. Oil and water with that encounter.

Martian

The cop's actions were out of line. Like I said, I'm not defending that. At the same time, if the kid had simply responded 'yes sir' when the cop told him he couldn't skateboard there, the whole situation would've been avoided. That's what I was referring to above. He wanted to be tough and be a smartass to a cop, he was inviting trouble. The cop's reaction was way out of order, yes, but the kid did kind of provoke it.

Odds are, with the officer identifying himself on the video, disciplinary action is being taken or has been taken already.

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Hain

"If I find myself on---" Good going, Officer Rivieri.
Kid was a dumbass, cop was a prick, bad mix. Why did the cop take the board only away from him?

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Shauk

I think the kid was exercising his right to be educated. Not everyone has the impulse to automatically surrender to someone in an assumed position of authority when they don't feel they did anything wrong.

"I didn't do anything"

the kid is 14, they don't drive cars yet, that cop needs to take the stick out of his ass.

sapiens

Officer Rivieri was suspended with pay.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=4282823

Hain

There are still ways to behave when dealing with an officer of the law, no matter how old you are. When Officer Rivieri was done having his spiel than then whatever-his-name-was can say what he wanted to say. Like, "I didn't hear you before, officer," "I didn't know I could not skate here, officer," shit like that. You don't say you were wrong, you just make sure you end that statement with, "officer."

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Leto

I was going to agree with you, until i saw you meant the cop.

While the cop was a prick, he wasn't a complete prick. That 14 year old was the other half of the complete prick. Other than the cop laying hands on the little prick, I was with him. At least the little prick's friends knew when to shut up. Some serious parenting issues here.

If that was my son, I would a) demand the cop's suspension (just because) and b) ground the ass of my son. He would be so grounded, he would get a whole new appreciation for board games and reading.

Then again, my son would never behave in such a manner.

Shauk

you keep telling yourself that.

kids are better at making you believe what they want you to believe that you'd think.

secondly, I think the kid had every right to cop a "WTF" attitude. You have some loudmouth badge flasher with a superiority complex yelling at you and you don't even know wtf he's so worked up over, you'd probably go "whats this guys deal" with a look of confusion and a "dude!?" to boot.

I hate authority sympathizers just because they are in that position. The officers that get my respect are the ones that put themselves in the line of danger to suppress crime that is violent and malicious, with ill intent.

I don't need to respect some blab-bag yelling at 14 year olds just because he passed a police exam and got stuck in a souped up golf cart.

Willravel

Under what circumstances can one defend one's self from an unprovoked physical attack from the police? Had he grabbed my by the neck, my fight or flight response probably would have been to break his arm... but that would get me jail time, whether he was right to do it or not.

Hain

I seriously hope you don't always take that attitude when dealing with an idiot cop with a stick up his ass? Yeah, you can take a "WTF" attitude, but there is still a way of going about it.

General situation here: prick cop in a supped up golf cart has a stick up his ass has a problem with me. He has the ability to make my life a lousy clusterfuck far quicker than I can make his life a clusterfuck. If I was not at fault, I will make sure I make this go on his record noted that I did nothing to provoke his anger. Just because there is a problem, I do not need to make his problems my problems.

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Willravel

The kid: asked what he was doing wrong and used the word "dude"
The cop: screamed at the kids, made them sit down, threatened them, physically assaulted one, etc.

My kid would likely say "dude" simply because it's something people around here say. I say dude all the time, and I'm a very bright and respectful individual. At 14? I called everyone dude. I'd call god dude. Assuming it was disrespectful is fucking stupid. That cop is fucking stupid and on a massive power trip.

Leto

I do, and I understand what you are saying. All the same. Kid was a prick. I'm appalled.


wait till you're a parent.

Shauk

that isn't respect, thats fear. I will not be cowed by bullies.

Hain

Cowardice? Yeah, like I need this prick to ruin my day anymore, when I can just as easily back away and fuck up his job a little bit later down the line.

Remember, he is going to fuck my day only because he thinks he's right. I can't do that. I can fuck his job up later.

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Shauk

see, it just goes to show how corrupt the law enforcement system is when we're not even allowed to stand out ground right then and there on a legal basis without being instantly labeled as a troublemaker, or "obstructing justice" or whatever nonsense they show up with.


I understand that behavior if i've been doing something wrong and I just want him to go away, like if I get pulled over for speeding, and I was, then you're damn straight I'm going to be all smiles and apologetic. (i've NEVER gotten a speeding ticket and i've been pulled over for speeding about 10 times)

Hanxter

me thinx his name is really "officer RAVIOLI" by the size of him... amazing he can fit in his parking ticket car...

we have a cop here in our town by the name of brunnel... high skool kids call him brunhilda by his rotundous midgetry

Fotzlid

so what happens when you get pulled over by some bully cop? do you kiss his/her ass or do you stand your ground right then and there?

Jinn

I agree completely.

It seems like this whole issue was a training issue.

If this man's father (or an actual male authority figure) had actually taught this kid respect for his elders and respect for police, he could've avoided the situation.

If this officer's commanding officer (or other authority figure) had actually taught him respect for his badge and the "how you act when you wear this badge has an effect on all of us" lesson, he could've avoided the situation.

In my opinion, the "mature" response from the child would've been to reply respectfully and leave, and the "mature" response from the officer would've been to tell the child that could and would be being cited for obstruction and whatever other ordinance prevents skateboarding there if he did not comply with an officer's request and leave.

I don't see this as an indictment of corrupt law enforcement, it reminds me of the people I see everyday on Cops who come up with a line like "I'M A TAXPAYER I PAY YOUR SALARY I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THIS SHIT." Police officers have an extremely tough job, and the laws are DESIGNED so that people who want to obstruct justice and cause trouble just because they feel they have a right to be do not actually disrupt their work. If you want to "stand your ground," do it through his superiors and/or the court system. Arguing with an officer in the middle of the street is only 'standing your ground on a legal basis' like complaining that 'pot shouldn't be illegal' when you're being arrested for possession of it.

The "I'm an e-tough-guy and I will not stand for bullying" line is great, but when push comes to shove, these are still just two people. Just because you feel off-put by someone's bullying doesn't mean you can't reply respectfully, saving you AND your friends some time and anxiety dealing with a bully. I've seen this situation roll out way too many times to think any differently. You're leaving a bar and some drunk guy wants to try to push your friends around and cause trouble.

Do you (a) Ignore him and/or 'surrender' to his bullying by acknowledging that he's "tougher than you" or (b) beat him to a pulp, leaving you and your friends held up at the bar until the police arrive and arrest you both for public intox and assault / mutual combat. I used to have friends that were (b), but they were just a waste of time. I fail to see how any one with a bit of common sense won't just suck it up and do (a), whether the bully is a town drunk, police officer, or employer.

My temper flares when I feel like I'm being bullied too, but I know that acting disrespectful, angry, or defiant will not actually stop the bullying, and it will actually worsen the situation. If I can remain calm, I regain the upper hand. Not only does it make me a better person to remain calm in the face of bullying, but it gives me the power to actually DO something about it when I go into the station later. If I come in arrested for obstruction or assault on a police officer, who is going to believe that he was "bullying" me?

Watch any episode of COPS and you'll see that officers like this are BY FAR the minority, and that most officers you meet are just husbands and sons, doing what they do because they want to protect YOU and keep society safe. I have nothing but respect for the uniform, and I've met some bad apples - I had an officer yell at me while pulled off the side of the road that "IF I WAS YOUR DAD, I'D KICK YOUR ASS RIGHT NOW."

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Willravel

Can anyone actually explain how the kid was disrespectful?

troit

I didn't realize that he was suspended - the right action. I have always given more respect to those with a "quiet" authority. My father never raised his voice when I was being reared but when I fucked up I knew there would be hell to pay.

Quiet, calm and in control.

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Fotzlid

I think it was more because the kid was whiny and mouthy with the cop. His friends kept telling him to shut up and he didn't. I'd probably want to crack him upside the head too if he kept whining "dude" everytime I tried to tell him what to do.

tenchi069

The cop was out of line, but plain and simple, a confrontation with an officer is not the place to make your point. Also, even if you don't respect the person, you respect the badge. Period. If you have a problem with the person behind the badge, then you talk/write to his supervisor with a complaint ( and perhaps this video ) and soon you won't have assholes in a position of authority.
Lastly, he is not in a position of "assumed" authority. As a society, we have agreed as a majority, that those hired into public service as officers of the law have authority. If you don't like it, then write your senator or representatives and ask them to change it. I
've known very many officers, some pricks, some awesome individuals. Both get spoken to respectfully, and the pricks have been reported to their supervisors.

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i would have lipped that fucker right off if he had grabbed me like that for no reason.

badge or not.........he's a fuckin' bully.

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vanblah

See, here's the deal, cops don't interpret the law--judges do. If you have a problem with a citation or anything that a cop does you can not contest it "right then and there." You have to take it to someone who interprets the law. Even if there is a sign that says, "SKATEBOARDERS WELCOME" ... if a cop says you can't do it ... you must stop.

That's why when you are caught speeding you can't pay the fine right there, and you don't have to admit to being guilty of speeding right there. You can fight it in court ... where the law can be interpreted; or you can just send in your payment and they'll take that as an admission of guilt.

When in public it is not whether the cop is right or wrong. Personally, I would NEVER want to be in a situation where a cop is interpreting the law; most cops I know aren't really smart enough for that. I have several good friends who are cops and we've actually had this conversation ... even about themselves. I know it happens quite a bit though ...

lktknow

It seems to me, the bottom line, is the cops hold all the aces, in any situation.
And what vanblah said about letting them figure it out in court where the law is interpreted, that's all fine and good, and should be where it is settled. But, in my personal dealings with any officer for any reason, wether it was myself, or friends , I have never once read a police report that actually stated the facts. never. It's like they say, the last class at the police academy is creative writing, and most of them are very good at it.

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Willravel

If a cop came into my home without permission or a warrant, I'd kick him out (physically, if necessary). The police don't hold all the aces. They have to follow the same laws that we do. The problem is that they're only accountable to themselves and behave as such.

shakran

Yeah, I was annoyed that the vid ended just as the cop was breaking federal law by exercising prior restraint. It ain't just us media types that have the right to roll tape in public.